Meditation-slash-Karma

[Dmac_nasty]

40ozThugsta's post about karma prompted me to post the unofficial relationship between karma and meditation.
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In Eastern cultures that believe in re-incarnation, they feel that the karma is credit/debit from past lives that keeps accumulating and deducting as you live your life. Now that is certainly hard to believe, prove or fathom, but the main reason the true "Saints"/"Preachers" (not the ones in it for money or fame) speak on Karma, is for you to live a clean moral life, so you do not keep adding Karma.

To expand on this, this is where meditation and the "3rd eye" comes into effect, these 'saint's' say, since the human body is "the temple of the living God" and that 'God' is within every person, if you meditate you can burn off karma and purify your soul.

The meditation techniques that these cats teach is to still your mind and try to tap into the 'light' and eventually you'll hear a ringing/bell 'sound' in your ears, the higher your soul reaches the more 'things' you will see, and then your soul can merge back into it's source, which is also known as "dying while living".

This also explains the fact that instead of looking inside themselves, people took the easy way out, and they starting lighting candles and ringing huge church bells, when what they were really looking for was right inside them the whole time if they could ever learn to control their minds.

Now I haven't experienced any of this so I can't say if it's real or not, but something to think about.

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"my 3rd eye shines like brass" -killa tay

 

[40ozThugsta]

damm thats interesting..
I meditate.. but usally while im working out...
or before i try to do something.....
i do different kinds of meditation...
but i didn't know there was one for burning karma.......

and if karma only applies to the afterlives...
then it doesn;t apply to our life now....

if they say karma will come back to you now..
it's just something they say to scare. you to keep you in line i think....
something they say to try to keep you under their control...

but once you find out the truth.. nothing can stop you...

 

[Dmac_nasty]

and if karma only applies to the afterlives...
then it doesn;t apply to our life now....

if they say karma will come back to you now..
it's just something they say to scare. you to keep you in line i think....
something they say to try to keep you under their control...

but once you find out the truth.. nothing can stop you...

I feel ya on that....

...but at the same time, the things we do presently [karma we are creating now (good or bad)] will dictate which way our lives will lead, so in other words the meaning of karma could be 1000% bullshit, but at the same sense it's the laws of nature, if you kill something you will be punished, if you lie to someone or cheat someone you will be punished either in the court of law or in your daily interactions.

Thing is, we do not know how others will face their punishment/karmic-debt;

<example> For some, being locked up is the worst thing that could happen to them, for others, having loved ones get upset with them and leave their lives never to return could be punishment in itself, so we can never judge others as successes or failures without walkin their shoes, and feeling what they feel when they are by themselves and have to look in the mirror.

To sum it up, Karma is really another word for choices (right ones or wrong ones), everyday we face choices, and deep, deep down inside, whatever the choice may be, we know if we are going in the morally right direction or the wrong direction, but the mind tricks us into thinkin that "hey, I didn't know any better" ...............yeah fuckin right!

 

[BaSICCally]

Dmac- I see what your trying to say, however your missing something. The big difference between Western thought and Eastern thought, is Western thought argues that God has feelings and emotions. However in Eastern though, they approach life as, what is is. In Western thought the goal of life is to appease this omniscent God and in Eastern thought, they wish to break from the cycle of reincarnation and reach Nrivana or total bliss. I don't think Western thinkers were to lazy, they just choose to worship different philosophies.

Finally I don't think Karma boils down to choices. Because look at what humans don't choose in their lives, like our parents, our family, where we live, who we live with, what we look like etc. Do you think Michael Vick one day, was like fuck it im going to be a professional quarterback. Then went out one day and did it? One could argue that he was pre destined to become a quarterback and that his whole life was molded him to become that quarterback. In my opinion he earned his right to be a professional quarterback because he earned it in a previous life. Thats just my opinion.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

damm thats interesting..
I meditate.. but usally while im working out...
or before i try to do something.....
i do different kinds of meditation...
but i didn't know there was one for burning karma.......

It is called karma yoga. Karma yoga means offering the fruits of one's actions to God rather than seeking to enjoy them personally.

and if karma only applies to the afterlives...
then it doesn;t apply to our life now....

Just as the karma from a previous life has resulted in your current situation. So karma is applying now as much as it will be in your next life. The idea is to transcend karma altogether. The human facility is a means to do that.

if they say karma will come back to you now..
it's just something they say to scare. you to keep you in line i think....
something they say to try to keep you under their control...

but once you find out the truth.. nothing can stop you...

Karma is enduring so long as one is acting karmically. Cause and effect. Control is a good thing, especially self-control.

 

[HERESY]

IMHO reincarnation is one of the most flawed doctrines/dogmas to ever hit the planet. Yeah people say a dead person coming back to life three days later is far fetched but reincarnation????????


Do the math. How come the population has increased? Where are all the NEW people/souls coming from?

 

[BaSICCally]

Animals. Hasn't the animal population decresed?

Ironically enough I was just watching this show on ancient China. The show was about a Chinese Emporer. When the Emperor would die along with the emporer they woulld bury thousands and thousands of statues which look like warriors. Because they belived that because the was a Emporer in this life that he must also be a emporer in the next. So when he reached the next life he would be able to fight in wars and he would retain his status as a emporer in the next life. The Chinese also belived that the statues would become real humans.

Also in modern day burial cermonies the Chinese burn money, not money which is from the Chinse currency, they would burn money would come from "hell". Because they would need money once they would get to hell they would need that money to spend, also one could become rich in hell and then buy their way out and become rich in the next life. They would also burn kites which were made to look like cars, tv's, computers etc. They belive that if these items our burned that the dead person would receive them in the next life.

Im not saying I belive all of this, but I just find it real intresting. If anyone has The Science Channel check out that show.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Are there any logical reasons or supporting proof/evidence to believe in Karma and/or reincarnation? Is there a sliver of verification? Or is this once again just a cool thing to believe in?

 

[Dmac_nasty]

Are there any logical reasons or supporting proof/evidence to believe in Karma and/or reincarnation? Is there a sliver of verification? Or is this once again just a cool thing to believe in?

To prove it, you'd have to tap into the '3rd-eye' and see for yourself...

...honestly speaking, that would be the only way, cuz anything anyone says on the subject will never be 'felt' or believed by anyone else without experiencing it themselves.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

So in other words, no?

 

[Dmac_nasty]

So in other words, no?

Just because science cannot prove something does not mean it does not exist, that's the basis of science, work to prove or disapprove things.

I see where you're coming from, but that's like people in early days that thought we were the only planet, or the world was flat, until you go searching it will always be flat. Now that's an extreme example, but how can we sit here and say it's not true cuz there's no proof, maybe there haven't been enough studies..!?!?!

 

[Dmac_nasty]

It is called karma yoga. Karma yoga means offering the fruits of one's actions to God rather than seeking to enjoy them personally.

Yup, here's some more info on it;

The Yoga is designed to enable the soul or that part of our consciousness that's eternal to ascend beyond the physical body into the higher spiritual regions by means of an internal sound or life current, known variously in the scriptures of the world as shabd, nad, logos, audible life stream, holy word, naam, bani or ringing radiance. It is through this union of the soul with the music of the spheres that gives this meditation practice its name: Surat Shabd Yoga.
Surat means soul or attention, Shabd yoga or sound current Yoga means UNION of the soul with the Divine sound.

The soul’s journey back to its Creator by withdrawing the scattered attention from the outside world. This can be achieved only by closing the nine apertures of sensual pleasures and concentrating between the eyes and listening to the Sound Current, which continuously reverberates in us from birth to death.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Honestly, you can believe anything you want; it doesn’t bother me. My very simple point is whether or not there is any logic behind the belief, that’s all.

It would be foolish for someone to say, "Well, we should believe in the Greek Gods because no one has disproved them" or "There hasnt been enough studies on Mictlan, an Aztec god, therefore, we should believe in him" etc.

Do you believe in things with out evidence? If not, why believe in this?

 

[Dmac_nasty]

2-0-Sixx, I feel ya, and I aint sayin everyone should or will believe this stuff...cuz that ain't gonna happen in a million years. And i'm not tryin to change anyone's mind about this topic, I'm just tryin to throw a wrench into the system, and make people visualize the unseen.

Do you believe in things with out evidence? If not, why believe in this?

I believe in things that I have 'felt' or seen, if that's not enough evidence, not sure what would qualify.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

2-0-Sixx, I feel ya, and I aint sayin everyone should or will believe this stuff...cuz that ain't gonna happen in a million years. And i'm not tryin to change anyone's mind about this topic, I'm just tryin to throw a wrench into the system, and make people visualize the unseen.

And I'm just throwing a wrench into this thread and trying to make people remember that logic, reason and science are our friends, not enemies and the only means of gaining knowledge.

Honestly, I like reading about Eastern Cultures and their beliefs and these topics are always fun to think about. But, I try to include my point of view in these threads too. Not trying to shit on your thread or anyones beliefs, just trying to include some logic. V

 

[Dmac_nasty]

You are correct, logic and science are our friends, but we logically must understand, that science cannot prove a lot of its own finding, and therein lies it faults.

Science can tell you what created things, but it cannot prove or give evidence of what created the creator of these 'things'. So where's the logic in that...? Should we rely on blind faith in the scientist, as most of the christians or other religious factions do in their faith?

I believe both side need to realize that no one has the answers, because we wouldn't know what to do with'em if we did.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

You are correct, logic and science are our friends, but we logically must understand, that science cannot prove a lot of its own finding, and therein lies it faults.

That is only because of the limits of the scientist, not science.

Science can tell you what created things, but it cannot prove or give evidence of what created the creator of these 'things'. So where's the logic in that...?

Science can only prove what exists, i.e. planets, stars, galaxies, the universe etc. If I say Abyuiontron created our galaxy, can science disprove it?

Should we rely on blind faith in the scientist, as most of the christians or other religious factions do in their faith?

There is no such thing as faith in science.

Faith = A belief in something without evidence or in spite of reason.

I believe both side need to realize that no one has the answers, because we wouldn't know what to do with'em if we did.

I don’t understand what the other side is. All we know as humans has come from science, logic and reason. There is no other side.

 

[Dmac_nasty]

That is only because of the limits of the scientist, not science.

That is exactly what i'm sayin, everything we know of and about science is through these scientist, so if they are limited as you stated, 'our' views and knowledge will also be limited...

I knew we'd come to a mutual understanding somewhere down the road, so how about them GSWarriors...?!?

 

[HERESY]

Animals. Hasn't the animal population decresed?

certain animals are extinct or endangered but I would nto say animal population (as a whole) has decreased. You have cloned animals, mixed animals (ligers, tigons ) and tons of animals being discovered each day.



I have a ton of questions I can ask to spin this thread out of control but I'll hold on to them.


:hgk:

 

[MOSA]

well what about children who have not been influnced on certain subjects all of the sudden are very knowledgable about it??...I do believe in past lifes..were are they getting the information from?...I have heard mothers tell me about things there kids said at a very young age in detail , but in there environment the subject in question was never spoken on .....one little boy told his mom how he had a wife and 6 kids and talked about what happened in that time and how he died ?????