Little League World Series and Economic Class

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Here are the representatives from each state, with the town and medium family income. The national average for family income is $50,000. The teams are listed in order from how they finished with the top being 1st place and currently in the LLWS.

You'll notice that of the 43 teams from places small enough to where you can predict the incomes, 21 of them are from places w/ medium incomes below the national average. That's almost half. Despite the view that baseball has become an expensive, elitist sport, baseball is still thriving in middle-class America.

New England Region:
Massachusetts (Walpole, $84,000 - suburb of Boston)
Connecticut (Shelton, $75,000 - small city)
New Hampshire (Portsmouth, $60,000 - small city)
Maine (Portland, $48,000 - largest city in Maine)
Rhode Island (Cranston, $55,000 - suburb of Providence)
Vermont (Essex Junction, $61,000 - suburb of Burlington)

Mid-Atlantic Region:
Maryland (Salisbury, $35, 000 - small town)
Pennsylvania (Richboro, $94,000 - suburb of Philadelphia)
New York (Endwell, $51,000 - small town)
New Jersey (Randolph, $115,000 - suburb of New York City)
DC (Washington, major city)
Delaware (Middletown, $47,000 - small town)

Southeast Region:
Georgia (Warner Robins, $44,000 - small town)
Alabama (Mobile, too big to judge)
Florida (North Palm Beach, $69,000 - suburb of West Palm Beach)
Virginia (Centreville, $120,000 - suburb of Washington DC)
West Virginia (Inwood, $46,000 - small town)
Tennessee (Tullahoma, $40,000 - small town)
North Carolina (Durham, major city)
South Carolina (Piedmont, $42,000 - small town)

Great Lakes Region:
Ohio (Hamilton, $42,000 - suburb of Cincinnati)
Indiana (New Albany, $42,000 - suburb of Louisville)
Illinois (Western Springs, $108,000 - suburb of Chicago)
Kentucky (Bowling Green, $40,000 - small city)
Michigan (Taylor, $48,000 - suburb of Detroit)
Wisconsin (Wausau, $47,000 - small town)

Midwest Region:
Minnesota (Coon Rapids, $62,000 - suburb of Minneapolis)
N/S Dakota (Rapid City, $45,000 - small city)
Iowa (Urbandale, $71,000 - suburb of Des Moines)
Nebraska (Omaha, major city)
Missouri (Carthage, $34,000 - small town)
Kansas (Cherokee, $36,000 - small town)

Southwest Region:
Texas West (Lubbock, major city)
New Mexico (Roswell, $32,000 - small town)
Arkansas (Benton, $51,000 - suburb of Little Rock)
Louisiana (Lafayette, $48,000 - small city)
Texas East (Tomball, $46,000 - suburb of Houston)
Mississippi (Ocean Springs, $56,000 - suburb of Biloxi)
Oklahoma (Tulsa, major city)
Colorado (Grand Junction, $44,000 - small town)

West Region:
Arizona (Chandler, $63,000 - suburb of Phoenix)
Southern California (Solana Beach, $97,000 - suburb of San Diego)
Nevada (Las Vegas, major city)
Hawaii (Waipahu, $52,000 - suburb of Honolulu)
Northern California (San Jose, major city)
Utah (Santa Clara, $55,000 - small town)

Northwest Region:
Oregon (Lake Oswego, $95,000 - suburb of Portland)
Washington (Kent, $67,000 - suburb of Seattle)
Idaho (Boise, major city)
Montana (Missoula, $42,000 - small city)
Alaska (Anchorage, major city)
Wyoming (Laramie, $43,000 - small city)
 
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i dont understand your point.
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i also think LL is becoming more irrelevent with every year that passes.

there is a growing trend towards playing "REAL" baseball and not LL Baseball and with all of LL's rules and regulations i think they will continue to lose charters at a blazing pace
 
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I see your point in thriving, but also look at it from where these teams are from...teams like Laramie, Roswell and Grand Junction....sure they make small household figures, but the household figures as a whole in those states aren't much.


Sure you can argue Grand Junction is in Colorado and denver, colorado Springs Aspen, all how high costs of liing and we make alot of money...BUT in terms of little league, Denver and Colorado Springs have more travelling and competitive teams than they do little league teams...so the mney spent on payers in actual little league is still about the same as Grand Junction.


So sure the stats show 1 thing but it doesn't take into account the real players in those cities NOT playing little league but actually chossing to play on competitive teams. So again while it looks impressive it really isn't when you factor in what I said about Denver for example.
 
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The Laguna Bombers from Elk Grove,CA are the 2007 Cal Ripken 10-year-old World Series champions. Their 13-2 win over an Alabama team Saturday afternoon in Indiana came as a surprise. They didn't realize their 11-run lead automatically ended the game, until it was announced over the loudspeaker.

The team spent the past week at the tournament where they finished undefeated.

Monday night they arrived back in Elk Grove. Police and firefighters escorted their bus to Foulks Ranch elementary school were scores of parents and neighbors were waiting to congratulate them with non-stop cheers for 15 minutes.

The team's coach, Scott Abraham told the crowd, "We went back there and showed them how we play baseball in California."

Teammates also took a moment to thank the crowd for its support.

"We've come so far ... so far," said 10-year-old Nick Madrigal. Teammate and World Series MVP John Burke, remembered the moment they realized they had won. "We didn't know at first because we didn’t know there was a ten run rule and once we found out we were so excited that we won."

The coach calls the boys a truly special group who won more than just a championship. "I'll tell you what; these boys are the most special group you have ever seen. At 10-years-old they think they can take on the world and I think they can too."

WATCH OUT FOR THIS TEAM IN THE LITTLE WORLD SERIES NEXT YEAR!!!!!! WE PLAY SOME SERIOUS BASEBALL IN CALI
 
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LOL @ anyone that takes little League serious!

My son plays Little league here in KC out at Johnson County 3 and 2.
These people are yelling at their kids for missing pop fly's and ground balls...

These people need some serious help! If you want your child to become some baseball star, guess what,.....they do not do it between the age's 5-15. They do it after that....

I dont understand why these people take little league so serious!

My sons coach is pulling out a FUCKING SPEED GUN on some 8 year old boys to see how hard they throw!!!!!

That is just ridiculous...

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JLMACN said:
LOL @ anyone that takes little League serious!

My son plays Little league here in KC out at Johnson County 3 and 2.
These people are yelling at their kids for missing pop fly's and ground balls...

These people need some serious help! If you want your child to become some baseball star, guess what,.....they do not do it between the age's 5-15. They do it after that....

I dont understand why these people take little league so serious!

My sons coach is pulling out a FUCKING SPEED GUN on some 8 year old boys to see how hard they throw!!!!!

That is just ridiculous...

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uhhh pretty sure that most people who become professional athletes built the foundation before they were 15. No one picks up a baseball at 15 and then gets drafted in 3 years by a pro team. I agree that some parents take it too far but still if the kids like the sport and want to do good then i dont see anything wrong with it. It takes years to make good players and that has to start early.
 
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^^^son your comprehension level of reading is around 2nd-3rd grade.

Read what I wrote again.

5000
my level of reading comprehension is extremely high, 780 out of 800 on the SAT's :cool:. If anything your statement was misleading, parents know that kids dont become stars that young, but they do know that if they want to be stars they need to start young. And im not ur son bitch, but it sounds like ur son is riding the bench on his team and thats why ur pissed.
 
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My statement is only misleading to a child of 2nd-3rd grade comprhension level. Now we can sit and play "who's the smartest", but you were the one that "MISREAD" what I wrote, not vice-versa. So Ill accpet your childish rebuttal as an apology, son.

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JLMACN said:
My statement is only misleading to a child of 2nd-3rd grade comprhension level. Now we can sit and play "who's the smartest", but you were the one that "MISREAD" what I wrote, not vice-versa. So Ill accpet your childish rebuttal as an apology, son.

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do i look like a inbred retarded little mexican to you? no. so stop calling me ur son bitch
 
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the problem i got with LL is that they play this retarded form of baseball (resembles softball).

you got Parents/zCoaches out there that DONT know baseball and that think their kid is the best player in the league, when in reality the kid is probly around the 20th best player.

they play politics on ll boards to manipulate the leagues to accomodates their kids.

i am not saying this as a benchwarmer family member. my brother played LL, was a 1st round draft pick 1st year in the league. played for this league from 11-14, was the SS and #2 pitcher on the championship team EVERY YEAR.

i am saying this as a coach that saw board member manipulate scheduling, drafts, and various other parts of the season to accomodate their kids.

thats shy we got tired of the politics and moved on to travel ball. at the time we didnt even know much about travel ball, but came to find out that thats where all the good players were, playing real baseball in a highly competitive environment where all the players a good.

LL has in the past 5 years become a Rec. league IMO, their AS Teams are good, BUT couldnt and wouldnt last with Travel Ball Teams
 
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LA Dodgers said:
the problem i got with LL is that they play this retarded form of baseball (resembles softball).

you got Parents/zCoaches out there that DONT know baseball and that think their kid is the best player in the league, when in reality the kid is probly around the 20th best player.

they play politics on ll boards to manipulate the leagues to accomodates their kids.

i am not saying this as a benchwarmer family member. my brother played LL, was a 1st round draft pick 1st year in the league. played for this league from 11-14, was the SS and #2 pitcher on the championship team EVERY YEAR.

i am saying this as a coach that saw board member manipulate scheduling, drafts, and various other parts of the season to accomodate their kids.

thats shy we got tired of the politics and moved on to travel ball. at the time we didnt even know much about travel ball, but came to find out that thats where all the good players were, playing real baseball in a highly competitive environment where all the players a good.

LL has in the past 5 years become a Rec. league IMO, their AS Teams are good, BUT couldnt and wouldnt last with Travel Ball Teams

ITA!!!!!!



I coached my son for more than a few years and he made all-star team on his own etc....he choose to not play this year because he seen the troubles I was having with the same type of board members you are referring too.
 
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LA Dodgers said:
did he move up and play for a trvaveling team?
no I told him to choose wither that or basketball...he choose basketball since he knows more people there. I told him he'd meet new kids but he doesn't like change too much....lol


But yeah our board was awful last year...they gave me a schedule after I drafted my team, then half way through they changed it??? wtf is that all about, but never told me so my team and parenst tarvelled twice to away games that we got moved....IT SUCKED.

Then in all stars the coach wanted help, so I was like sure my sons on the team I'll help since I will be there anyways....well I was helping with practoces and all, things going fine..I think I did more than him for the team..lol, well then when it xomes time to fill out roster and get shirts...he picks a parent who hasn't helped, never coached, but had his son on his team earlier in season to be the assistant for the all-star team.
 
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^^ay bro ....that aint shit...

try being on a team where half of the parents dont talk to the other half because they feel more "elite" than certain people...

shit is ridiculous.....but I understand you!

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