John Brown vs. Dutch (what's the deal ?)

[rellik530]

I browsed through this thread and at first I was looking for a reason to hate on Dutch. Not because of what he said, but because of what I didnt read and simply just glanced through. After going through it a couple of times, dude comes off as intelligent, forthcoming, and real. What separates CWB from BGF, BMF, Brown Pride, etc, etc, etc??? Not a damn thing. You target a fanbase and make music that appeals to those who cop your shit as well as those who can relate. It's a real simple technique. What does Dutch look like calling out people who have been a part of predominately "minority" related show? Shit looks worse then anything to do with "The White Rapper Show." Me personally, I agree with somone standing up and saying something about that show. Im not with the whole "set us back x amount of years" shit, but for the sake and integrity of the music, the shit was a joke and should offend black, white and brown folk alike.

Since it was focused on making a mockery of white people, then I almost feel as though it is the duty of a "fellow" white artist to call it out. I aint an artist but if I was, then what I look like sittin back while Im trying to come up in this rap shit, hard as it already is for whiteboys and having any amount of respect for this shit. Serch and Vh-1 portrayed him as some sort of credible white legend in hiphop when in actuality, he came off as a broke ass has been who much like many other former, semi-famous celeb's is willing to sacrafice his integrity, roots, and credibility all for a quick buck.

I dont even post on here like that or really know Dutch as an artist, but I think the man has a point and an argument that deserves to be heard. He spoke on some real shit and if anyone is in the position of being able to voice his/her opinions on a show that was for all other purposes, an ongoing series dedicated to the humiliation of an " upcoming white rapper" then I would think that it was their right and duty to say something.


Those who missed it, re-read this quote from Dutch on the first page.

"Television is killing your brain. Don’t be force fed what the media
wants to feed you. You be the judge, do some research and find real White
rappers that really exist in real circles. Matter of fact, find music you like. white rapper is a term that needs to be killed. hip hop is a culture. a lifestyle. granted there are weak white rappers, but there are weak black, Latino and Asian rappers as well. find good music and if that artist happens to white then so be it. if you are looking for authenticity, then search for it. if you looking for entertainment, then search for it. But base your choice of music on quality. Not skin color."

 

[Sav Scorcese]

rellik you were very eloquent in your observation. I appreciate your feedback as an interested observer especially the points on what's the difference between the CWB, BGF, BMF, Brown Pride, etc. besides the point that I don't know if CWB has turned into a prison gang also. It's a movement like any other by someone that felt underrated by society. I get that. However MC Serch as an artist we cannot spit on the mans' historical value because his group was one of only to white groups that were involved in rap near the beginning and their music was actually good. I was old enough back then to appreciate "Back To The Grill Again", "Here It Comes" and other songs. I think he just chose the wrong platform to gain tv exposure from again.

 

[Gas One]

i mean, why not go at vanilla ice for bieng on the teenage mutant ninja turtles movie/ninja rap?

all im saying with that is, its not like 'white boy rap' has been this unpure, crystal clean geyser of water until the white rapper show decided to shit and piss in it. corny white rappers have came, gone, and been forgotten about way before this show.

i would think dutch would have more of an issue with the 'powers that be' (maybe serch?) than his foot soldiers.

i just dont get what the uproar is about if its not bieng used for obvious promo.

its not like dead prez went and recorded a diss track to choppa when making of the band was out. (comparing you to dead prez would be too much but..you get my point.) all white rappers arent going to be good, or credible. that goes for all other races. why bark at the moon?

why even pick on john brown? they damn near revealed his homosexual lover at the end of the episode. that was bad enough. to me, its just like....picking on some little kids.

shit aint even really that respectable even if youre riding for a certain cause because the target is way too easy. i'm sure you could find something that ruined white rap, or the public perception of white rap...more than a vh1 show with one season.

and it aint like theres gonna be good rappers on a reality tv show. what would be the point of that? we want to be entertained.

 

[Sav Scorcese]

Good point. It's not like Dutch and his crew needs the publicity but this just might get them some more publicity by taking this stance. White boys don't have the game sewed up when it comes to corny rappers that don't represent their race well it was said before, every nationality has corny rappers. You just have to have the gall to look at yourself in the mirror and realize that everyone doesn't take you as seriously as you do yourself.

The whole premise of the show was to be lighthearted and fun and I watched every episode it was pretty funny to me.

 

[reza]

VH-1 has a social responsiblity for aspiring white rappers? since when?

 

[MRTHECOSE]

The whole premise of the show was to be lighthearted and fun and I watched every episode it was pretty funny to me.

the show was comedy. it would have been funny still if they used different races in the show.. they had them doing stupid ish....

basiclly get a bunch of wanna be rappers throwem in a show and blam same stuff'll happen...

 

[AWolfPromotions]

This show wouldnt have been funny if it represented something that you've worked so hard for since you picked up a pen, and thats respect in the game and your career. Its a fact that white has been associated with wack as far as Hip Hop is concerned since 91'. So why would we cheer on a show that takes a bunch of white "characters" and puts them on a stage in front of the world to represent a race of people in Hip Hop? Serch dissed Vanilla Ice because of the way he was making white dudes look in the game. Serch felt that Ice was disrespecting not only Hip Hop but a race of people still trying to gain respect. When his group mate was arguably the wackest rapper in history. So what did Serch do? Took a pay day at the expense of White Rappers. Put the fat white girl who uses racial exploits in her speech, the paul wall wanna be, the kid from the burbs who is trying to revive the ghetto, the punk rock rapper who cant rap, the nerdy eminem stereo type and the questionably gay white rapper and put them in front of the world to represent not only a race of people, but hip hop itself. You dont agree, because you dont understand. Half you cats are between the ages of 16 and 20 and came up in a day and age when the soul of Hip Hop was long gone.

How would the "gay" rapper show play out? Or the "Phillipino" rapper show? What about "The Jew Rapper Show?" OH BOY!! Hollywood would love that! America wouldnt dare touch that because of the hint of hatred that would be attached to it. What makes this different? What does knowing how many times Eminem was arrested have to do with Hip Hop music or Trivia? The whole show is disrespectful to what I do. They didnt call this the "wanna be rapper show" homie, its the "White Rapper Show." If it was the wanna be rapper show it would rep 90% of these forums and ya'll wouldnt like it. So I support Dutch in what ever he is doing! I can take a bunch of whiteboys trying to get money just as serious as ya'll take a bunch of "retards who pop pills." Ya'll put Hyphys dick on a peda stool for u and ur homies to worship but what these guys are doin is a joke? Get the fuck outta here with that shit. Support your area regardless youngsters!

In closing, this show disrespects Hip Hop in a whole. Its bad enough that garbage music is introduced to impressionable kids everyday. Why support it? Would this show be light hearted and funny if the roles were we reversed? Not even depicting a race but a genre. What if it was called the Hyphy show and it took a bunch of Bay Rappers (who are already under rated in the game) and paraded them around in Retard helmets on yellow buses? And the competitions were them teaching real retards how to rap..And they brought them to the bronx to show them where hip hop originated while the NY on lookers made fun of there hyphy dress code and threw Mac Dre bobble heads at them. And on top of all that, they chose the likes of "KOBE SOZ" to rep the Bay. Might set the Bay back a little. Think?

 

[AWolfPromotions]

@ Sav

And I hope this isnt a "white rapper" thing Sav because you have been hittin me up for a feature for 2 years homie and Im as white as they come. In fact, them messages still live in my inbox. So lets kill this shit if thats what it is. Thanks

And what does a battle challenge to Dutch have to do with the topic at hand? I would delete that posting due to its "please help me get some attention and take me out of retirement" stamp it has on it. Other then that I think your a cool guy!

 

[the_truth_]

^^its suppose to be funny and entertaining i cant believe people take the show so serious.. read gas one post he broke it down

 

[AWolfPromotions]

The Entertainment factor is not at question. Gays are entertaining, Blacks, Whites, Browns etc. But the "Latino Rapper" Show consisting of rappers named "Little Puppet, Mr Loco, Clown Face and Sad Girl" might be a little disrespectful to the Latino Hip Hop community who knows that they are not the only formula for Latino Rap. The youngsters who watch this shit are impressionable..Do African Americans like the fact that they are still to this day un-fairly portrayed in a negative light? That a majority of the news media still depicts them in a racist manor indirectly. Cuz it disturbs me and Im not even black. It disturbs me too see someone lock the doors just because someone of color is crossing the street next their car. So where did that fear come from? Came from America, came from the news media, some say its our music, came from the movies proving my point that people in a whole r impressionable. Maybe its ignorance but whatever it is, it exists! When people see these shows regardless of its validity, they form an opinion.

 

[DUTCH-F.E]

^^^^^ i dont like the kid, but he does have a point!!!! hahahhaahahha

 

[AWolfPromotions]

Fat Boy

 

[the_truth_]

I understand your point but its what YOU make of it you carry yourself around like an idiot you get treated like an idiot. What im saying is its been hard for white rappers to succeed in this industry but i dont think this show is not gonna make it harder

 

[Mr. Illmannered]

the show was fuckin gay period. EVERY race should have been embarrassed by it.

"What is Ghetto Revival??"

"Respect Yo."

I've never been more embarrassed for someone else in my entire life. That dude should be shot in the face in front of his mother.

 

[DUTCH-F.E]

i dont like him either, but he also has a point!

 

[Gas One]

this could take all fucking day so im only gonna respond to the first one.

Its a fact that white has been associated with wack as far as Hip Hop is concerned since 91'

What the fuck are you talking about? no really...what the fuck are you talking about??? who the fuck made you the almighty time keeper of white hip hop?? do you have an exact month and day on this shut down of white rap? you know what...nevermind. dont even answer this one.

So why would we cheer on a show that takes a bunch of white "characters" and puts them on a stage in front of the world to represent a race of people in Hip Hop?

It's a TV show, not a presidential election or a horse race. when was the last time you fucking cheered at the television?

Serch dissed Vanilla Ice because of the way he was making white dudes look in the game. Serch felt that Ice was disrespecting not only Hip Hop but a race of people still trying to gain respect. When his group mate was arguably the wackest rapper in history. So what did Serch do? Took a pay day at the expense of White Rappers.

Serch dosent have any responsibility to anyone outside of bieng serch, and can talk about,diss, or do what he wants. how does that effect you, as an individual? Does bill gates have to explain to us why he made microsoft windows? by the way, he was dissing ice cube because of hi, bieng a muslim and drinking liquor. common sense (a black artist, since race means so much) also dissed him for that same reason, so that points irrelevent.

oh wait, is common sense black enough for you? he might fail the paper bag test. get back to me on that.

Put the fat white girl who uses racial exploits in her speech, the paul wall wanna be, the kid from the burbs who is trying to revive the ghetto, the punk rock rapper who cant rap, the nerdy eminem stereo type and the questionably gay white rapper and put them in front of the world to represent not only a race of people, but hip hop itself. You dont agree, because you dont understand. Half you cats are between the ages of 16 and 20 and came up in a day and age when the soul of Hip Hop was long gone.

ITS JUST A TV SHOW!!!!!!! ever watch the real world? WE ALL KNOW ITS NOT HOW THE REAL WORLD IS! btw, if youre going to insult an age range (even though im 28), why would you say "white rappers have been hated since 91'" when white rap goes back to the early/mid 80's?

Half you cats are between the ages of 16 and 20 and came up in a day and age when the soul of Hip Hop was long gone.

okay so first we were talking about white rappers bieng wack since 1991, and now you want to talk about days where soul in hip hop was around? that wasnt in 1991. look man, fred flinstone was rapping on fruity pebbles commercials way before 1991. in the 80s, the beastie boys were rocking. i fail to see your point. 'white hip hop' has advanced throughout the years just like hip hop has, and white rappers are much more accepted now than they are then. and thats why a show like this can be made. mc serch, as a white rapper..knows more about the term than you. are you forgetting hes mc serch from 3rd bass?

I aint an artist but if I was

...but youre not. right?

How would the "gay" rapper show play out? Or the "Phillipino" rapper show? What about "The Jew Rapper Show?" OH BOY!! Hollywood would love that! America wouldnt dare touch that because of the hint of hatred that would be attached to it. What makes this different? What does knowing how many times Eminem was arrested have to do with Hip Hop music or Trivia? The whole show is disrespectful to what I do. They didnt call this the "wanna be rapper show" homie, its the "White Rapper Show."

Definitions of satire on the Web:

A manner of writing that mixes a critical attitude with wit and humor in an effort to improve mankind and human institutions. Ridicule, irony, exaggeration, and several other techniques are almost always present. The satirist may insert serious statements of value or desired behavior, but most often he relies on an implicit moral code, understood by his audience and paid lip service by them.

^ read that.

In closing, this show disrespects Hip Hop in a whole.

why was grandmaster caz, prince paul, kool keith, everlast, ill bill, fat joe, (A MULTIRACIAL CAST OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN HIP HOP FROM THE PAST, TO TODAY) involved with the show if it disrespected hip hop as a whole?

have you done more for hip hop than those people, or possible have more of a say in what disrespects hip hop?

Why support it? Would this show be light hearted and funny if the roles were we reversed?

roles reversed = making of the band (where serch got his idea from anyway)

its just a tv show. theres no support involved. you watch it.
you can keep making up funny situations where you put another race in it if you want. (i wish there was a black rapper show, personally...or a asian rapper show..or a midget rapper show) but youre still missing the point. its just a show.

sorry to roast you and all.

 

[DAT NIGGA TAZZ]

so when yall send me an invitation thing on myspace to join a cwb thing, i guess i cant join cuz im black huh? aw thats fucked up lol. o well fuck cwb, nwa bitch! lol j/k

 

[.:M0N$TAH UP:.]

fuck a dutch and a john brown...there all FUCKING WHACK

 

[DUTCH-F.E]

evryperson that appeared on that travisty of a show, did it for th epay check period. noreaga from cnn got up and left. didnt even say shit to them wack ass fucks.

gas one i appreciate your opinion. and your work ethic! but fuck john brown, fuck serch bitch ass and anyone who suports them. (in my humble opinion of course)

that show dont represent me or my dubbs, im over it. dude aint cool in cali. thats that, move on.

what sav started as a joke and a shot at me, is now almost as big of a mockery as that wack ass show was. this thread is bootsy.

 

[DUTCH-F.E]

rosetown you are ok, we can make you a dubb for a day,

and monstah up please refrain from straining your brain with such intellegent responses on this board. i know it hurts to think so just remain ignorant.