Debate? No ones debating shit. Seahawks obviously lose that one. You missed the T-Rip's point, but that doesn't surprise me. Last I checked, the 9ers haven't done shit in the league in a long ass time, and so we get the ancient history channel from 9er fans. Season after season 9er fans on here are constantly preaching that they'll win the division and this and that blah blah blah..but do they?