Iranian women "Neda" dying on camera

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The previous dictatorship http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi
was how their families made their money, which was supported by the United States.

There was a revolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution
and their families along with the previous dictator fled to the united states because they were affraid of losing their money and their lives for the crimes they committed.

Fuck them http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_intercourse
because Iranian chicks are often hot, but don't admire them because they come from families with fangs they used to suck the country dry before they were forced to leave.
 
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The previous dictatorship http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi
was how their families made their money, which was supported by the United States.

There was a revolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution
and their families along with the previous dictator fled to the united states because they were affraid of losing their money and their lives for the crimes they committed.

Fuck them http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_intercourse
because Iranian chicks are often hot, but don't admire them because they come from families with fangs they used to suck the country dry before they were forced to leave.
yes it is true money is very important to them. But nowadays, they get their money by being doctors, lawyers, and by being real estate tycoons in LA.
 
Jan 28, 2005
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you realize im talking about the person with the camera, right?

im not discussing war and what happens, im discussing a person filming a death and the personal shit someone might deal with after.

if hes okay with it, then good for him. all i said was 'good luck with living with that shit'...i didnt go into the rest of the shit at all
well, you're focusing on the micro level when you should understand it on the macro level.


My boy got confirmed kills in Iraq- over a half dozen- and he's told me every last story... he's not happy for it, but he's certain that he saved innocent lives with every squeeze of his M4 trigger, and that's how he sleeps at night. And I can assure you he's not one of those racist "lets go kill Hajis!" cats either, real down to earth.

I'd film my own brother dying if it meant helping out our revolution in any way, because either way the murder can't be stopped... might as well make him a martyr than let him die in silence.
 
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My boy got confirmed kills in Iraq- over a half dozen- and he's told me every last story... he's not happy for it, but he's certain that he saved innocent lives with every squeeze of his M4 trigger, and that's how he sleeps at night. And I can assure you he's not one of those racist "lets go kill Hajis!" cats either, real down to earth.

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In other words, he did what the Big Bad Army told him to do, and in convincing fashion. Nothing like getting a robot to do your dirty work for you! Isnt brain washing fun?
 
Apr 25, 2002
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I doubt many people will read this, but . . .


The "Neda video," torture, and the truth-revealing power of images

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/06/24/photos/index.html

The single most significant event in shaping worldwide revulsion towards the violence of the Iranian government has been the video of the young Iranian woman bleeding to death, the so-called "Neda video." Like so many iconic visual images before it -- from My Lai, fire hoses and dogs unleashed at civil rights protesters, Abu Ghraib -- that single image has done more than the tens of thousands of words to dramatize the violence and underscore the brutality of the state response.

For the last question at his press conference yesterday, Obama was asked by CNN's Suzanne Malveaux about his reaction to that video and to reports that Iranians are refraining from protesting due to fear of such violence. As Obama was answering -- attesting to how "heartbreaking" he found the video; how "anybody who sees it knows that there's something fundamentally unjust" about the violence; and paying homage to "certain international norms of freedom of speech, freedom of expression" -- Helen Thomas, who hadn't been called on, interrupted to ask Obama to reconcile those statements about the Iranian images with his efforts at home to suppress America's own torture photos ("Then why won't you allow the photos --").

The President quickly cut her off with these remarks:

THE PRESIDENT: Hold on a second, Helen. That's a different question. (Laughter.)

The White House Press corps loves to laugh condescendingly at Helen Thomas because, tenaciously insisting that our sermons to others be applied to our own Government, she acts like a real reporter (exactly as -- according to Politico's Josh Gerstein -- White House reporters "could be seen rolling their eyes and shifting in their seats" when Obama called on The Huffington Post's Nico Pitney, who has done some of the most tireless work on Iran, gave voice to actual Iranians, and posed one of the toughest questions at the Press Conference). The premise of Thomas' question was compelling and (contrary to Obama's dismissal) directly relevant to Obama's answers: how is it possible for Obama to pay dramatic tribute to the "heartbreaking" impact of that Neda video in bringing to light the injustices of the Iranian Government's conduct while simultaneously suppressing images that do the same with regard to our own Government's conduct?

The reason Thomas' point matters so much is potently highlighted by a new poll from The Washington Post/ABC News released today -- not only the responses, but even more so, the question itself
Click for data

Half of the American citizenry is now explicitly pro-torture (and the question even specified that the torture would be used not against Terrorists, but "terrorism suspects"). Just think about what that says about how coarsened and barbaric our populace is and what types of abuses that entrenched mentality is certain to spawn in the future, particularly in the event of another terrorist attack. But even more meaningful is the question itself -- it's now normal and standard for pollsters to include among the various questions about garden-variety political controversies (health care, tax and spending policies, clean energy approaches) a question about whether one believes the U.S. Government should torture people (are you for or against government torture?) That's how normalized torture has become, how completely eroded the taboo is in the United States.

It would be one thing for the Obama administration to argue that there is no value in releasing torture photos specifically, and in investigating and imposing accountability for past abuses generally, if there were consensus among Americans that torture is wrong, barbaric and -- as Ronald Reagan put it (hypocritically but still emphatically) -- "an abhorrent practice" justifiable by "no exceptional circumstances whatsoever." But we have the opposite of that consensus: we have an ongoing debate over torture that is fluid, vibrant and far from settled, with half the population embracing the twisted and morally depraved pro-torture position. For that reason, to suppress evidence of what our torture actually looks like and the brutality it entails -- particularly graphic evidence -- is to make it easier for that pro-torture position to thrive, just as it would have been easier for the Iranian Government to slaughter protesters with impunity if they had succeeded in suppressing the images of what they were doing (it was this same dynamic that led the Israeli Army to defy its own Supreme Court and forcibly block reporters and photographers from entering Gaza and which caused the embedded American press to suppress images of the massive civilian deaths which their protectors, the U.S. military, was causing in Iraq).

Americans are able to perceive torture clinically and in the abstract when they're able to endorse it without seeing its effects. They're able to delude themselves that the extreme abuses at Abu Ghraib were unauthorized aberrations -- rather than the inevitable by-products of the policies they support -- because the photos showing that those abuses were systematically applied at American detention facilities around the world are being suppressed. It's almost certainly true that few pro-torture Americans are aware that the policies they support -- and that were approved at the highest levels of the U.S. government -- have led to numerous detainee deaths, because investigations into such matters are being blocked; court proceedings impeded; and media discussions confined almost exclusively to questions about "water in nostrils." If Americans want to endorse government torture, they should not be allowed to avert their gaze from what they're causing and be spared the facts and details of what is done.
 

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well, you're focusing on the micro level when you should understand it on the macro level.


My boy got confirmed kills in Iraq- over a half dozen- and he's told me every last story... he's not happy for it, but he's certain that he saved innocent lives with every squeeze of his M4 trigger, and that's how he sleeps at night. And I can assure you he's not one of those racist "lets go kill Hajis!" cats either, real down to earth.

I'd film my own brother dying if it meant helping out our revolution in any way, because either way the murder can't be stopped... might as well make him a martyr than let him die in silence.
who said i dont understand it? im talking about a particular thing. youre going off into another.

and im not gonna comment on any personal shit youve gone through because thats not my job. we have different outlooks, whether we agree or not. and the fact that youd film your brother dying has little to do with what i believe, much less you (you say that now, but you havent filmed your brother dying or lived with your brother dying while you watched, its just your personal feeling right now)

all the technical shit really aint needed, i feel a certain way, you feel a certain way, but i didnt say how i feel is the right way. all i really said is THATS HOW I FEEL.

much like you have people in your family who have been through wars, my grandfather has (world war II) dad (veitnam) and cousins (desert storm, iraq) ...peace to you and realize this isnt a argument, this is two people with two views
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_American

"Almost one in three Iranian American households have annual incomes of more than $100K (compared to one in five for the overall U.S. population). [20]"

"There are also about of a 3,000 new generation of Iranian physicians who have received their entire training in some aspects of the field in the US. This increases the total number of Iranian medical doctors in the US to about 8,000.""

"An NPR report recently put the Iranian population of Beverly Hills as high as 20% of the total population."

"According to Census 2000, 50.9 percent of Iranian immigrants have attained a bachelor's degree or higher, compared to 24.0 percent among the total foreign-born population.[1] According to the latest census data available, more than one in four Iranian-Americans holds a master's or doctoral degree, the highest rate among 67 ethnic groups studied.[8]"



yea, all they got is blood money and oil money
 
Nov 24, 2003
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-- Helen Thomas, who hadn't been called on, interrupted to ask Obama to reconcile those statements about the Iranian images with his efforts at home to suppress America's own torture photos ("Then why won't you allow the photos --").

The President quickly cut her off with these remarks:

THE PRESIDENT: Hold on a second, Helen. That's a different question. (Laughter.)

The White House Press corps loves to laugh condescendingly at Helen Thomas

Good question.


She does look crazy and ask some batty shit though

 
Jan 28, 2005
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In other words, he did what the Big Bad Army told him to do, and in convincing fashion. Nothing like getting a robot to do your dirty work for you! Isnt brain washing fun?
I used to say stuff like that too... when I was 14 years old and listened to nothing but punk rock.

But now I'm a grown ass man and realize not everybody in the military is a brain washed robot zombie programmed like a a television remote. That devalues the value of human intelligence.

The guy saved innocent civilian Iraqi lives and prevented an assassination attempt on an elected public official. Not counting the soldiers lives he saved by his actions. It's not like he's over there raping their women or at GITMO torturing "suspected" terrorists. My dude is a good solder and has always had good judgment as well as a good understanding of his surroundings, before he left for the war. The reality of the matter is he eliminated targets who had intended to cause death and suffering to innocent people.



How's your campaign to inform the populous about the Illuminati and shape shifting lizards that are ruling the world going?
 
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who said i dont understand it? im talking about a particular thing. youre going off into another.

and im not gonna comment on any personal shit youve gone through because thats not my job. we have different outlooks, whether we agree or not. and the fact that youd film your brother dying has little to do with what i believe, much less you (you say that now, but you havent filmed your brother dying or lived with your brother dying while you watched, its just your personal feeling right now)

all the technical shit really aint needed, i feel a certain way, you feel a certain way, but i didnt say how i feel is the right way. all i really said is THATS HOW I FEEL.

much like you have people in your family who have been through wars, my grandfather has (world war II) dad (veitnam) and cousins (desert storm, iraq) ...peace to you and realize this isnt a argument, this is two people with two views
my point was sometimes as people we're forced to do things we don't like for the greater benefit of humanity.

That man very well might eventually off himself over having filmed the woman like some people who film death as it occurs eventually do. But what would you rather have... the video and the truth revealed to the world, or one man's life spared?

It's cool you can't stomach the death thing, I can respect that. I wish I was like that myself.
 
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The moment you kill a man wearing a suicide bomb as a jacket or prevent an elected public official from being assassinated, you can have room to talk.
What if the suicide bomber was going to kill a bunch of pedophiles or murderers? What if the public official was someone like Saddam? How would you feel then? Again, you nor your friends know the whole story and for all you know, could be given FALSE info about a target.


I used to say stuff like that too... when I was 14 years old and listened to nothing but punk rock.
Im 31 and hate punk rock music. Whats your point?

But now I'm a grown ass man and realize not everybody in the military is a brain washed robot zombie programmed like a a television remote. That devalues the value of human intelligence.
Not when yo join a CROOKED system LIKE the military. Its not the soldiers fault, tis the system that manipulates them.


How's your campaign to inform the populous about the Illuminati and shape shifting lizards that are ruling the world going?
About the same as all that wool you have over your eyes...kinda warm for that, don't you think?
 
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What if the suicide bomber was going to kill a bunch of pedophiles or murderers? What if the public official was someone like Saddam? How would you feel then? Again, you nor your friends know the whole story and for all you know, could be given FALSE info about a target.




Im 31 and hate punk rock music. Whats your point?



Not when yo join a CROOKED system LIKE the military. Its not the soldiers fault, tis the system that manipulates them.




About the same as all that wool you have over your eyes...kinda warm for that, don't you think?
What if? What if? What if? What if you pops pulled out and jerked off in your mom's mouth? It's completely fucking irrelevant "What if?" So don't ask it. What if? Is for movies and books about What if? History.

Anybody could be given false info. But you know what? If any solder heads over to Iraq and goes 6 and 7 for their civilian to terrorist kill/death spread, I'm fine with that.

My point is you sound like a prepubescent boy screaming "anarchy!" like Ricky Bobby's children in Talladega Nights.



you tell me I have "wool pulled over my eyes" like Im ignorant and have a bumper sticker on my car that says "Out of a job yet? Keep buying foreign!" or some dumb shit.

You act like you have all this information that nobody else does, like everybody on here has disinformation designed to make them buy Cheerios and only use Trojan condoms because its a giant conspiracy to brain wash the public into believing one core set of beliefs that ultimately make those in power more powerful and continue playing the entire U.S. like its a giant video game or written for a TV sitcom from space


But the bottom line is this man: I've yet to learn a single fucking piece of information from you outside of glancing past old college football posts in the sports forum. So if you're this all-knowing curator of hidden knowledge, why don't you start dropping it instead of just arguing philosophical views?
 

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my point was sometimes as people we're forced to do things we don't like for the greater benefit of humanity.

That man very well might eventually off himself over having filmed the woman like some people who film death as it occurs eventually do. But what would you rather have... the video and the truth revealed to the world, or one man's life spared?

It's cool you can't stomach the death thing, I can respect that. I wish I was like that myself.
your point literally has nothing to do with what im saying, man. i don't know why i have to keep on explaining it to you. all i said was i hope the guy who filmed it dosent go through any trauma for doing so. what is so hard to grasp about that?

it has nothing to do with me 'not stomaching the death thing' (its about him stomaching it, not me) and 'truth to the world' blah blah blah. i just made a statement, one i didnt expect for the GOM nerds to bother me about.
 
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What if? What if? What if? What if you pops pulled out and jerked off in your mom's mouth? It's completely fucking irrelevant "What if?" So don't ask it. What if? Is for movies and books about What if? History.
Dont ask it? Now youre telling me what to do? Fuck off, seriously. You're "oh, well...it happened and i don't care" attitude is a large indication about how you feel about the military and possibly life in general...and spoken like a true asshole. A "what if" could separate you from being a hero...or a mindless killing tool that has NO clue as to what he is doing. Gotta love human nature.

Anybody could be given false info. But you know what? If any solder heads over to Iraq and goes 6 and 7 for their civilian to terrorist kill/death spread, I'm fine with that.
LOL...there is so much wrong with this I could throw up in my mouth. Your first line and last line completely contradict themselves. For all you know, it could actually be a 13-0 civilian to terrorist kill/death spread...THATS THE WHOLE FUCKIN POINT!

My point is you sound like a prepubescent boy screaming "anarchy!" like Ricky Bobby's children in Talladega Nights.
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Uhhhh....great? Don't care? I don't know why you think i give a shit what you think about how i sound or come off.


you tell me I have "wool pulled over my eyes" like Im ignorant and have a bumper sticker on my car that says "Out of a job yet? Keep buying foreign!" or some dumb shit.
And how is this any different from you calling me a tinfoil hat wearing cookoo??? Dont be a hypocrite.

You act like you have all this information that nobody else does, like everybody on here has disinformation designed to make them buy Cheerios and only use Trojan condoms because its a giant conspiracy to brain wash the public into believing one core set of beliefs that ultimately make those in power more powerful and continue playing the entire U.S. like its a giant video game or written for a TV sitcom from space
And you act as if I AM the only one who FEELS this way. I mean, do you frequent this site? There are PLENTY of people on here who not only have HORROR stories from the military, but others that see the bullshit as I do. The fact that you think I stand alone on this issue is asinine. I know you aren't that dumb. Or are you?

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But the bottom line is this man: I've yet to learn a single fucking piece of information from you outside of glancing past old college football posts in the sports forum.
And im supposed to care about this because....? I could give two shits if you learn ANYTHING from me...im just a person like you with an opinion on a subject. Im not here to teach anyone, period. If you thought that was the case, then I apologize for your ignorance? I am not quite sure what it is you want me to say here...

So if you're this all-knowing curator of hidden knowledge, why don't you start dropping it instead of just arguing philosophical views?
Hidden knowledge of what...military bullshit? Are you serious? I mean...do you WATCH the fuckin news at ALL? Do you read a fuckin newspaper? Anything? How could you NOT even have the SLIGHTEST feeling that something AIN'T right with our military system?

Man oh man...you are in denial something serious.