I Know This Is An Old Ass Topic.....

[Gas One]

Most black people have no real grounds for telling others not to disrespect their race

what the fuck?

okay, and who made you black person census for racially sensitive issues?

its not about color, its about culture.

same with crips and bloods. you cant just run around callin people cuzz because your homie calls someone cuzz. its not about being rude. its about you knowing your place.

if you dont have bingo, dont fuckin scream out bingo. lol

 

[Townbizz23]

so i guess next time i hear pac's all eyez on me.. i'm going to change his song lyrics to " i want to be your S.A.N.C.H.O., so i can get drunk, and roll a blunt and get blowed", only because i'm not black and i'm not allowed to say that word...

lol Like you said earlier, different strokes for different folks. if you are around black ppl that dont trip on you saying it, so be it. But you will be hard pressed to find a black man that knows the history of the word, who won't get offended by you saying it. The average homie from the block don't know the history behind the word. just know who you are takling to.

I hope yall don't get me wrong I ain't tryna change the world nuthn. i know that some shit just won't change, and I'm completely understand people's feelings when the say blacks are hypocritical in regards to this word.....they just need to understand that the hypocricy is justifiable due to the words history.

 

[Az-iz]

Lmfao DJ PNIZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope ur like 12 then again that's more scary

 

[hex4dub]

lol Like you said earlier, different strokes for different folks. if you are around black ppl that dont trip on you saying it, so be it. But you will be hard pressed to find a black man that knows the history of the word, who won't get offended by you saying it. The average homie from the block don't know the history behind the word. just know who you are takling to.

I hope yall don't get me wrong I ain't tryna change the world, some shit just won't change, and I'm completely understand people's feelings when the say blacks are hypocritical in regards to this word.....they just need to understand that the hypocricy is justifiable due to the words history.

i'm just trying to show you that hip hop basically imbeded that in peoples minds to say that word and "get away with it"... i know my boundaries and who to say it around...but if you call me your nigga, it's fair game... if you never say it to me....you won't hear that coming out of my mouth.

 

[DJ P-Nizz]

LMAO you can't be serious right now. The fact that you gave me a google definition of the word tells me that everything I said went completely over your head. And you have the nerve to call me ignorant? If you can't see that the word means different things to different ppl than yo sir are the ignorant one. If this word's definition was so clear cut there would be no debate and no reason for a black man to get mad about it.

So, if a person tells me, "television," and points to a car, I'm supposed to take that seriously? Just because it means something else to him or her? That doesn't make it correct. The word's definition is clear-cut. It's the misinformed and the uneducated who feel the need to sling it around like it means nothing, and then get offended when its used by someone they don't want using it. Just because there's a debate doesn't mean there's something wrong with the foundations of the truth behind it. It could mean there's fault behind the logic being used in the argument, which you've proven there is more so and more so with every post.

I'm hoping you purposley missed the part where "I said black people say the word because it's been drilled into our culture," because if you read that, saying "why would you use the word if you can't define it" is just plain stupid. The word is used by black people because historically it has been engrained into black culture. For 200 years, the definition, and the affect of the word was different depending on who was saying it, if that wasn't a fact we wouldn't be having this discussion.

So basically, all you're saying is, "What you said was stupid, because what I said was right"? Again, we're having this discussion because you're misinformed and uneducated on what the word actually means. Just because you heard grandaddy saying it doesn't mean you hold all rights over who uses the word and how he or she uses it.

"Never.Ignorant.Getting.Goals.Achieved." That's Pac's definition of the Nword. some people say Nigger and Nigga mean two different things. Some say it's all degratory, some say it's a term of endearment. NOW DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS?

That's not an actual definition. That was an acronym made for entertainment purposes. Pretty big difference there.

"That's like telling people they're not allowed to speak French because they're not actually French, or that hearing people aren't allowed to use Sign Language." .....That is just stupid as fuck. Comparing the Nword to Sign Language and French is baseless. Like I said, there isn't a word in the dictionary that can compare to the N-Word because of the fact that it has so many different defintions, and a disputed etymology.

There's an exact definition, "A derogatory term for a black person." There's also an exact history for it too. It was derived from the Spanish word, "negro", used by white captors as a slang term for the slaves they were shipping. So, no, not baseless. The word "nigger" is just a noise we utter as means of conveying a certain idea, just like French words are, and just like Signs imply. Exact same concepts and principles. If you're just going to berate me and say, "No, 'nigger' is different because it was mean," then just stop yourself now, because it's not different. Words are only as offensive as you let them be.

You are really missing the point bra. All your little analogies and exmples don't apply here because THEY DON'T HOLD THE SAME HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE AS THE NWORD. I don't know why black ppl started calling themselves "nigga," I assume it was because they wanted to lessen the negative and degrading affect that it had when it was used by non blacks. That doesn't mean that non blacks should now use it the way blacks do.

And you don't have to guess I'm black, it's pretty obvious I'm black from the first three sentences of my post. So if you're saying "I'm guess you're black" because you think i'm ignorant you need to check yoself.

I never said I thought you were black because I thought you were ignorant, so you'd better check yourself, and read up on what I said. Twisting my words just to offend yourself just digs your hole deeper and deeper exactly what I was saying. You said it yourself that it was obvious, so why threaten me over this? You're not very tough behind a keyboard, dude.

And you mean to tell me that stereotypes about the different races don't hold the same historical value as the 'n' word? They all had to be derived from somewhere... Could it be, uneducated assumptions and labels based on a small group of people, made by ignorant people? Yeah, actually- that's exactly where both subjects came from.

 

[Dhadnot]

And it's rude to tell other people they're not allowed to say a word that you use, because it's offensive only because they were born a different color than you were.

And, not that I use the 'n' word, but when black guys on XBox Live assume I'm white because I rip them a new asshole (for whatever reason), and make fun of me as such, I fully reserve the right to say whatever the fuck I want.

Most black people have no real grounds for telling others not to disrespect their race, when the first thing that comes out of almost every black person's mouth that I hear when a person of another race offends them (for a reason completely unrelated to race) is pertaining to the offender's race.

The funny shit about it is most these hip hop, I have black friends "yo brotha muthafuckas" be the most racist closeted faggot ass niggas, like I said earlier...the dude thats on some "yo, wassup my nigga", is the same muthafucka screaming "NIGGER!" when he mad at yo black ass.

 

[DJ P-Nizz]

So ur alluding that the N word is similar to FRENCH or ASL?

If you want to play stupid while you read my post, go for it. If you want to actually read the thought that's behind what I'm saying, then you might understand what I mean a little more.

what the fuck?

okay, and who made you black person census for racially sensitive issues?

its not about color, its about culture.

same with crips and bloods. you cant just run around callin people cuzz because your homie calls someone cuzz. its not about being rude. its about you knowing your place.

if you dont have bingo, dont fuckin scream out bingo. lol

I meant to add, "that I've come across," to that statement. Grave fuck on on my part, I know.

And who the fuck are you to tell people, "Your place says you can't say ____"? It's not about place in society. It's about a problem accepting the reality behind how society actually functions.

Lmfao DJ PNIZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope ur like 12 then again that's more scary

... Why?

 

[DJ P-Nizz]

The funny shit about it is most these hip hop, I have black friends "yo brotha muthafuckas" be the most racist closeted faggot ass niggas, like I said earlier...the dude thats on some "yo, wassup my nigga", is the same muthafucka screaming "NIGGER!" when he mad at yo black ass.

I have no clue what the fuck is being said here.

 

[Dhadnot]

good it wasn't addressed to you.

 

[DJ P-Nizz]

... It quoted me.

 

[Az-iz]

Enough with your western dualistic Eurocentric reasoning. You are missing a point because you are stuck in a paradym with Websters dick in your mouth. I shouldn't of said that you might be a kid. The dictionary is updated annually definitions are broadened or deleted or changed based on certain criterea. Trust me they do not have their fingers on the pulse of black America. Don't use that as your bible. I don't agree with the word because of it's history and it cones from Necro not Negro, which was a term for paganism.Research a little more, dig a little deeper and open your mind. The way the word is used in Black America has many different definitions. How are you going to school him on his dialect.

 

[Nuttkase]

what bothers me is this, white kids who yell out "NIGGER!!!" as an exclamation, or like saying "FUCKING A!!" and then turn around and feel like that shit is okay to say because it wasnt about a black man. say that shit and imma have an issue, but it always happens online, like on xbox live.

What? Some white kids really say it as an exclamation like that? In my near 30 years on this earth I have never heard that shit. Could it be a regional thing? Because I've never heard anyone say it like that here in the Seattle area. Then again I never really kicked it with many other white people so that could be why lol. I could picture a preppy white kid or a jock type saying that shit.

Weird. You learn something new every day.

 

[Dhadnot]

some of the white homies messed up and blurted it out when I was there and felt all bad, I've heard it like 3 or 4 times in my life.

 

[Townbizz23]

So, if a person tells me, "television," and points to a car, I'm supposed to take that seriously? Just because it means something else to him or her? That doesn't make it correct. The word's definition is clear-cut. It's the misinformed and the uneducated who feel the need to sling it around like it means nothing, and then get offended when its used by someone they don't want using it. Just because there's a debate doesn't mean there's something wrong with the foundations of the truth behind it. It could mean there's fault behind the logic being used in the argument, which you've proven there is more so and more so with every post.

The stance you are taking right now is really amazing to me. Please tell me one word that has a definition that causes as much confusion as the Nword's does. Just one. You can tell that the Nword's definition is in question by looking at the words development. First, non blacks used it as a put down, then blacks claimed it as their own in an attempt to lessen the the affect, some even tried to turn it into a term of endearment, some say 'what up ma nigga' on some friendly shit, 'some say fuck that nigga' on some confrontational shit. How can a word that is used in completely opposite ways have such a clear cut definition? Even if it was once clearly defined by the educated, the masses and the ones who use the word regularlily don't agree on that defintion. What's a defintion without application? I can know in my heart that green is a color, but if the whole world says that it's a number, and treats it like a number, than it's a fucking number.

So basically, all you're saying is, "What you said was stupid, because what I said was right"? Again, we're having this discussion because you're misinformed and uneducated on what the word actually means. Just because you heard grandaddy saying it doesn't mean you hold all rights over who uses the word and how he or she uses it.

Man work on your comprehension. You said that ppl shouln't be saying words that they don't understand, I said that what you said is stupid because the word HAS BEEN ENGRAINED IN BLACK CULTURE. If you knew/understood that, saying "don't say words that you don't know the meaing of" is pointless.

There's an exact definition, "A derogatory term for a black person." There's also an exact history for it too. It was derived from the Spanish word, "negro", used by white captors as a slang term for the slaves they were shipping. So, no, not baseless. The word "nigger" is just a noise we utter as means of conveying a certain idea, just like French words are, and just like Signs imply. Exact same concepts and principles. If you're just going to berate me and say, "No, 'nigger' is different because it was mean," then just stop yourself now, because it's not different. Words are only as offensive as you let them be.

I wish that was the exact and only definition. But looking at the development of the word, it isn't. It's obvious to me that you are unintentionally diminishing and overlooking the history of this word's development. I already tried to exaplain to you why blacks adapted the word as their own, but you don't seem to want to listen. Nigger/Nigga is/was a degrading term, but that defintion has obviously not stood the test of time, otherwise whites and asians and mexicans wouldn't be using it so freely now. Maybe blacks felt inferior and were negatively influenced by white people to the point that they eventually started degrading themselves as "nigger/nigga." Maybe that's why the word was adopted by blacks in the first place, but the fact of the matter is, at some point in time, the the black community changed the definition of the word and made it exclusivley their own. I'm not saying that the change was right, I'm saying that that's how blacks adopted it to be, and because of the historical affect of the word, non blacks should not be saying it. And the only reason why I don't go as far as saying nobody should say it, is because it is impossible for we as the black community to eradicate a word that traveled over on the same boat as we did, and has followed us everywhere we have gone. If it was possible, i would be the first to say nobody should say it.

I never said I thought you were black because I thought you were ignorant, so you'd better check yourself, and read up on what I said. Twisting my words just to offend yourself just digs your hole deeper and deeper exactly what I was saying. You said it yourself that it was obvious, so why threaten me over this? You're not very tough behind a keyboard, dude.

First of all, ain't nobody threatened you, and ain't nobody acting tough beind no screen. You said "im guessing you're black" when it was completely obvious that I'm black from my first sentence. You explain to me why you said that if it ain't what I thought it was. And taking "check yourself" as a thread is a hint at your insequrities because I don't see it that way.

And you mean to tell me that stereotypes about the different races don't hold the same historical value as the 'n' word? They all had to be derived from somewhere... Could it be, uneducated assumptions and labels based on a small group of people, made by ignorant people? Yeah, actually- that's exactly where both subjects came from.

I never said sterotypes about different races don't hold the same historical value as the Nword, I said your dumbass analogy about Sign language and non French speaking people don't. I will say this, there isn't another deragaotory name on the book that that causes as much confusion as the Nword. You are right about misinformation and uneducation. But person is smart, people are dumb. You can't inform and educate everyone, that is why the Nword is what it is.

 

[Jae iLL]

I aint gon lie, I used to say that shit when I was younger too. Everybody in my neighborhood said that shiet, black asian and some mexicans to eachother and what not. I used to say Cuzz all the time too, shiet damn near everybody in Seaside says Cuzz Crip or not. I would say Cuzz to my Crip homies and Nigga to my black homies all natural and shit like it aint no thing. Freal tho, I aint really actively stop trynna say that shiet til I joined the military really. Being around a bunch of different folks from different places really give you some perspective on shiet, especially since I aint never get put on nothin, I really try to drop that Cuzz shit but I say it sometimes anyway, mostly when I'm back home on leave or some shit.

The way I see it, folks that use them words coming up aint using shit to be cool or to be offensive, that's just an everyday word. But once you get up out wherever you came up, then other folks might take offense to some of the shit you saying, and since we all from different backgrounds I aint gonna come at somebody as being sideways in they mind, especially since I aint black and I aint Crippin.

And that whole you say it why I can't say it argument is on some bullshit I think. It's like, me and my family might clown on eachother or say some shit every now and then, but if some other fool come clownin on my family we gonna have some problems. If I say some shit about my folks, it's different than another motherfucker sayin some shit about my folks, unless you grew up with me since day one, I aint havin somebody else clown on my folk like that. I dunno, that's just the way I see that shiet

 

[drewski.kalonji]

I used to say Cuzz all the time too, shiet damn near everybody in Seaside says Cuzz Crip or not. I would say Cuzz to my Crip homies and Nigga to my black homies all natural and shit like it aint no thing.

haha yeah seasides population is pretty funny to me when it comes down to the cuzz shit (no offense). When I post up there still to this day I hear little girls yell, "oh yeah he crippin" even when the person being spoken of has nothing to do with bangin. I would say its a trend but yall been doing it for so damn long I guess its a cultural trait at this point lol.

In San Jose I hear the usos say the n word way more than the african-american pop. And not just to other samoan brothas but to everyone they talk to too. And I feel that unless you have adaquete self control, when you get a word thrown at you daily on the constant you will eventually start using the term too. But yeah I don't see how such a serious/potent word can be treated so lightly. People need to be way more consciouss of there actions.

 

[Chuy Savedra]

Pinches mojados

 

[Dana Dane]

LMAO @ DJ Penis!


and this is one of the most widely debated topics in the history of the sicc. No one will agree, the use of the word isnt gonna stop, and I think it all depnds on the circle of friends you have. If you aint trippin off ya whiteboy friend callin you nigga, then cool. If you would get mad if a white boy called you nigga, then thats cool too. Everyone has a right to their own emotions and their own judgments.

I do think that with every generation, and as people get further and further away from the history of the word, it loses its power to be hurtful, and is more just a regular word that means friend homie etc.

 

[Likwid]

Dana Dane uses the word nigga.

 

[Dana Dane]

I'm not gonna say that I never say it. But I get 'nigga'd' to death. My husband says it every other word sometimes.