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Joe DiMaggio said:
Of course he is. I've known two lesbians in my lifetime who've turned to homosexuality due to hatred of men, not due to attraction. At least one of them posts on the siccness occasionally. It's a choice.
Not due to attraction? There has to be attraction there, otherwise how would it happen? Are they emotionally fighting themselves everyday to keep from being straight. Id have to say no. Without attraction, there is no sexuality.

Plus, have you ever heard of a guy turning to men because of his hatred toward women?

I happen to know a lesbian who posts here and she was sexually abused as a child. So I still think that has a lot to do with one's sexual preference.

I also want to ask, has anybody ever heard a gay person say that they CHOSE to be gay? Most gay people say that they knew they were gay from early on.

And still, no straight guy on this site has answered my question wether they, themselves, have the capability to choose to sleep with a man over a woman.
 
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Jae iLL said:
anyway, @ 2-0-Sixx, bro, HOW MANY studies have been conducted outside of the U.S? I asked that question like, 5 pages ago
How in the world would I know the answer to this question?

You talk about all the countless studies that have been done for scientific purposes so post them up. Please provide some proof apart from a weblog.
I didn’t post the blog link as proof or evidence. It was simply posted because I thought it was very interesting and informative. (It had nothing to do with gay adoption.)

I will get back to you with more links on the research that has been done. I’m at work right now and don’t have much time to search through the numerous sites that I have read articles/reports/etc. on. I’ll try to post some up later, so please be patient with me comrade.


As far as the whole "gross factor", yea it is nasty, but it's also unnatural.
What do you mean by unnatural? It seems to me that there have always been gays...since the time of man. All throughout the world, most countries report approximately 10% of the population is gay. For the most part, those numbers are relatively consistent.

Am I grossed out by two women being together? No, but I still think it's UNNATURAL. The female figure is a beautiful thing and of course I'm not gonna be grossed out by it, but I still think it's unnatural.
Again, what is unnatural? Is it also unnatural for two heterosexuals to engage in S&M, fetishes, sex toys, etc.?

Can they reproduce if they wanted to? No they cannot, therefore, it's not natural.
Oh, ok. So you're definition of unnatural is whether or not a couple can produce offspring. What about a women or man that cannot have babies due to medical issues? Should they not be allowed to adopt children?

On the same line of thinking, I don't think lesbians should raise children any more than gay men should raise children. As far as the single parent thing goes, It's more natural for a single parent to raise a kid than two parents of the same gender in my opinion.
Again, what the hell is natural?! Are their guidelines and rules to raising a family? Should every family be exactly the same, like Leave It To Beaver or some shit?! How is one parent more natural than two parents of the same sex? IMO, two parents is MUCH better than one.

As much as you may think you know what perfect is or what the perfect family should be like, this is the real world comrade and no family is perfect. We have single mothers raising five children; grandparents, aunts, uncles, brothers and sisters raising children; legal guardians, etc. etc. etc. Why don’t we make all those cases illegal too?

No matter where you come from or what kind of background, there will always be problems. I was raised basically by my grandma during my early years and my father after that. It was hard at times, but that’s life. We all have challenges. Some people have disabled parents or parents who are too strict/not strict enough, etc. but that doesn’t make it wrong, nor does it mean people should be able to FORCE their beliefs on society (which is what I believe you're doing by opposing gay adoption).

Like I said before, I don't think it's a biological
Do you believe it's a choice? If you do, do you think YOU can chose to be gay?

In case you’re interested, HEREis a recent article from the NYtimes regarding gay men responding to different kinds of scents than straight men, which to me suggests gayness is biological.

Oh yeah, HERE is an article from sciencedaily.com which states “In the first-ever study combing the entire human genome for genetic determinants of male sexual orientation, a University of Illinois at Chicago researcher has identified several areas that appear to influence whether a man is heterosexual or gay”, which also suggests its biological.

There are serial killing monkeys, sea lions, dogs, etc etc etc. Just because they are found in other species doesn't mean it's perfectly normal, and healthy.
What?! No, there are no such things as serial killing monkeys or any other animal, besides humans.

For the record, I'm not a crazed religous zealot.
I know you're not.

My stance has nothing to do with religion, morals, or anything aside from homosexuality being unnatural. Just to make everything clear, as I stated in my original post, gay folks can do whatever they want as long as it's not infringing on MY freedoms. However, I do not think they should be able to raise a child because I believe it infringes on that child's freedoms.
Can you please explain to me how adopting a child is infringing on their freedoms?
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
How in the world would I know the answer to this question?
Im just sayin, since I haven't come across too many studies that seem to be for scientific gain, my opinion is that there isn't enough scientific evidence to make a conclusion.


2-0-Sixx said:
I will get back to you with more links on the research that has been done. I’m at work right now and don’t have much time to search through the numerous sites that I have read articles/reports/etc. on. I’ll try to post some up later, so please be patient with me comrade.
That's cool bro.



2-0-Sixx said:
Oh, ok. So you're definition of unnatural is whether or not a couple can produce offspring. What about a women or man that cannot have babies due to medical issues? Should they not be allowed to adopt children?
Yeaaa, but they're purpose is to produce offspring. Even if they can't due to medical issues, their purpose is still to raise children. Two men, and two women, can NEVER produce offspring, therefore, unnatural.

2-0-Sixx said:
As much as you may think you know what perfect is or what the perfect family should be like, this is the real world comrade and no family is perfect. We have single mothers raising five children; grandparents, aunts, uncles, brothers and sisters raising children; legal guardians, etc. etc. etc. Why don’t we make all those cases illegal too?
I know that no family is perfect, but I still believe homosexuality is not natural, and I don't believe they should raise children.


2-0-Sixx said:
Do you believe it's a choice? If you do, do you think YOU can chose to be gay?
I'm not sure, I don't really understand it because I'm not gay. I admit, I've never KNOWN or SPOKEN to a gay person, so my opinions are definitely on the outside looking in. However, you can never convince me that homosexuality is natural.

2-0-Sixx said:
In case you’re interested, HEREis a recent article from the NYtimes regarding gay men responding to different kinds of scents than straight men, which to me suggests gayness is biological.
I stated before, if it was biological, what I thought about that.


2-0-Sixx said:
What?! No, there are no such things as serial killing monkeys or any other animal, besides humans.
You SERIOUSLY have never heard of monkeys killing other monkeys, or sea lions killing other sea lions? About 3 years ago there was a case in the Monterey Bay involving a Otter going around raping and killing other otters.. if you're DEAD serious, and you've never heard of these cases, I'll try to find some articles for you, but they DO exist. That doesn't make it healthy.



2-0-Sixx said:
Can you please explain to me how adopting a child is infringing on their freedoms?
Well, since I think it's unnatural, I think it's wrong to force a child to live in that environment. The whole adoption process, as I'm sure you know, is pretty grueling for the child to begin with. I've known a few adopted kids, and I've heard some real sad stories about the system. I just think forcing them to live in these circumstances is wrong... I dont think my mind will ever change on that.
 
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^^ Oh shit, hope you're kidding. And if you aren't, don't burn your crosses here.

At least, even for the people who said it's a choice and who don't support FULL rights for gays, they respected their right to LIVE. I gotta say that, even though a lot of you believe it's unnatural, I am glad to see that ya'll don't wanna run out and hang a man for his differences. You don't agree with it, you don't totally understand it, but you don't want to see a man killed for it.

Just hope this boy is playing.
 
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Jae iLL said:
Well, since I think it's unnatural, I think it's wrong to force a child to live in that environment. The whole adoption process, as I'm sure you know, is pretty grueling for the child to begin with. I've known a few adopted kids, and I've heard some real sad stories about the system. I just think forcing them to live in these circumstances is wrong... I dont think my mind will ever change on that.
My sister is adpoted...Korean born...shes just fine...yo hav e to understand that kids OUTSIDE the US in 3rd world and poorer coutries...have an eve MORE FUCKED system that we have...by ions...if these kids dont get adopted...they most likely end up livin in the slums...and trust me when i tell you...the slums in Southeast Asia....are FAR worse than any slum in America.....
 
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MeloTrauma said:
I also want to ask, has anybody ever heard a gay person say that they CHOSE to be gay? Most gay people say that they knew they were gay from early on.

And still, no straight guy on this site has answered my question wether they, themselves, have the capability to choose to sleep with a man over a woman.
i've heard gay people say i choose to live my life this way...but the key word in your sentence is "MOST"....so what does the LESS of the proportion og gays say melo??? I refuse to believe that being gay is entirely due to biological reasons, there has to be some kinda choose involved..

you're question has been anwsered while ago, anybody in here has the choice to sleep with the same gender, its doesnt necessarly have to be about attraction.. you are living in a fairy tale if you think every sexual encounter in this world is based on attraction.. alot of muthafuccas sleep with people just because of curiousity, ive said this in my last post to you, some people experiement with their sexuality to find their preference, sleepin with both men and women, therefore they are making a choice
 
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No, nobody has answered my question yet. You guys are answering that, yes, it is possible for someone to choose to sleep with a member of the same sex. Im asking if YOU PERSONALLY, feel that YOU can simply choose to sleep with a man. If its a choice, then I mean, you should be able to no problem, right?
 
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Gringo Starr said:
My sister is adpoted...Korean born...shes just fine...yo hav e to understand that kids OUTSIDE the US in 3rd world and poorer coutries...have an eve MORE FUCKED system that we have...by ions...if these kids dont get adopted...they most likely end up livin in the slums...and trust me when i tell you...the slums in Southeast Asia....are FAR worse than any slum in America.....
I also, being of Korean descent, know many Kdopts and it does fuck wit people. Mostly because of how our society is tho, hella prejudices come into play and there's a lot of identity issues I see with some Kdopts. I know what you mean by the kids who don't get adopted overseas, they're stigmatized. Anyway, I think it's different because at least the parents were male and female which still makes it natural to me.

At the foo who keeps asking could I PERSONALLY make the choice to sleep with a doode, hell nah. The same token, is killing a choice? Could I PERSONALLY CHOOSE to go out and kill some random doode? Again, HELL NAH. Could you? Is that natural?
 
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Jae iLL said:
At the foo who keeps asking could I PERSONALLY make the choice to sleep with a doode, hell nah. The same token, is killing a choice? Could I PERSONALLY CHOOSE to go out and kill some random doode? Again, HELL NAH. Could you? Is that natural?
In both situations you are saying its not a choice for you, which was my point exactly. There are people who are born gay and people who are 'nurtured' into being gay. At least, thats my theory. And I think the same thing about killing too. However, killing and being gay hardly equate in this argument.
 
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Jae iLL said:
That's cool bro.
Thanks.

Yeaaa, but they're purpose is to produce offspring. Even if they can't due to medical issues, their purpose is still to raise children. Two men, and two women, can NEVER produce offspring, therefore, unnatural.
Why is it that their purpose is to have offspring?? I'm not going to have children (not planning on it), not my own anyways and that's by my choice. My reason is because we have too damn many children- Earth's population has doubled in 30 years. Adopting children is doing society a favor, and IMO, we need as many people as we can adapting children...we should be thankful for gay parents who are willing to take care of an unloved and abandoned child. A much worse problem IMO are these poor Catholic ladies that pump out 8 children by the age of 23. Yeah, that shit was good in the 1500s when 75% of your children would die, but in this day in age there really needs to be a limit.

I know that no family is perfect, but I still believe homosexuality is not natural, and I don't believe they should raise children.
Why? What is so wrong with them raising a child?

And you didn’t answer my question, "Why don’t we make all those cases illegal too?"

I'm not sure, I don't really understand it because I'm not gay. I admit, I've never KNOWN or SPOKEN to a gay person, so my opinions are definitely on the outside looking in. However, you can never convince me that homosexuality is natural.
Why are you not gay? Could you close your eyes right now and repeatedly tell yourself “I am gay, I am gay” over and over and when you open your eyes you’re attracted to men? Do you think that’s possible? I sure as hell don’t, there is no possible way I could ever be attracted to a man. To me, I am 100% certain that for most people, attraction to one sex or the other is something you’re born with and is not something you can simply choose. You can force yourself to be physically attracted to an oracle whale of a woman, can you?

You SERIOUSLY have never heard of monkeys killing other monkeys, or sea lions killing other sea lions? About 3 years ago there was a case in the Monterey Bay involving a Otter going around raping and killing other otters.. if you're DEAD serious, and you've never heard of these cases, I'll try to find some articles for you, but they DO exist. That doesn't make it healthy.
No, serial killing animals do not exist. Animals that have violent behavior and even animals killing other animals occur, but not serial killing. Regardless, comparing rape and murder to same sex is completely different. As CannibalCrow mentioned, same sex does not hurt anyone, it’s something that is private between two people, and there are no “victims.”

Well, since I think it's unnatural, I think it's wrong to force a child to live in that environment.
Why is it unnatural? If a child’s uncle and father raised them (because let’s say his mother died), is that unnatural? Is it wrong?

The whole adoption process, as I'm sure you know, is pretty grueling for the child to begin with. I've known a few adopted kids, and I've heard some real sad stories about the system. I just think forcing them to live in these circumstances is wrong....
It’s unfortunate, but that’s life. Thousands of children are put up for adoption each year and someone needs to love them. Again, I’d much rather have two loving gay parents than no parents or an abusive parent, etc.

I dont think my mind will ever change on that
Perhaps not. This is one of those topics, like abortion, where most people have their minds made before the debate even starts and there is very little, if anything that can sway an opinion one way or the other.
 
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Pino said:
its more likely a combination of upbringing and genetic predisposition.
MeloTrauma said:
There are people who are born gay and people who are 'nurtured' into being gay.
This pretty much sums it up for me.. "nutured" into being gay is the same thing as "choice", unless you're a kid of gay parents or adopted by a gay couple, which was my point before.. then its not your choice, yeah they can turn out straight but that kinda "upbringing" can increase their chances of turning out gay..but this nuturing that you're talkin about melo is on the same lines as choice cause you choose to live that lifestyle,
 
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@2-0-sixx
cmon dawg, why you keep using single parents as an example.. its not a good analogy.. we are talking about "gay people" not being able to raise kids.. how can you compare a single mother with 5 sisters to two men or women raising a child..i understand what you are trying to say but it's two different situations...im talkin about the psychological effects of the child, not whether the house is a good home or not..by the way didnt rodman wear drag??? damn, i would've hated to see what happen to him if he was raised by gay parents