Humans having their roots in Africa has been given its strongest confirmation yet
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You know what though, if it's all the same I'm not really as passionate about this as you are G, I just thought this particular article was interesting and wanted to share it, I don't wanna turn this into another one of those routine, G.O.M. evolution vs. God thread wars right now, I believe what I believe.
Ignorance plays a big role here, IMHO ALL THEISTS ARE believers in evolution, in dissected parts. Why can't you understand that? As zealous as I am, I've come to the realization that I'm believe in Evolution, not in it's entirety or that other mumbo jumbo because I don't want to get too technical. MIDTERM that's why i'm trying to kill two birds with one stone so yeah.
Once again you're tossing opinion off as fact.
Let's look at this logically:
1. You say we cannot believe in both God and in Evolution.
2. You mention theistic evolution. What exactly is theistic evolution and how does this negate every single possible theistic belief in God and that belief coexisting with a belief in evolution?
Answer those questions please.
Let's look at this logically:
1. You say we cannot believe in both God and in Evolution.
2. You mention theistic evolution. What exactly is theistic evolution and how does this negate every single possible theistic belief in God and that belief coexisting with a belief in evolution?
Answer those questions please.
1. We can not believe in both God and Evolution, because we cannot believe in God if we are rational people to begin with, because as it has been mentioned hundreds of times, there is no evidence for existence of God
Of course, if you are not a rational person, you can believe in whatever you want, God, Allah, FSM, whatever
In both cases though, you can not "believe" in evolution, because evolution is not anything to be "believed in", it is a process that happens all the time irrelevant of what people think about it
Do not equate evolutionary theory with beliefs
2. Theistic evolution is a desperate attempt of some christians to save their beliefs, by admitting that evolution is real, but saying it was the way God chose to create man...
Which is total bullshit
Because:
1. The evidence, supporting it, is zero
2. It raises the question why God, who is supposed to be omnipotent, chose such a complex way to create man, when he could have just created everything the way we see it today. Is he really so omnipotent as people think?
One of the main proponents of theistic evolution is Francis Collins. He says evolution is real, but because God exists independent from our space-time continuum, those 13.7 billions years from the beginning of the universe were a single moment for him so he could have chosen evolution as the way to create man...
In the same time he believes in a personal Christian God, who watches every human being and all the other nonsence
This raises another question - why would a God create a universe, that's 100 billion light years big, just to create a small planet somewhere in it, where a human species will evolve, then send them his son????????
It's just ridiculous
3. Evolutionary theory explains everything pretty well without any God. Adding God to it doesn't really make it better, it is just adding God for the sake of having God there, which is totally unscientific and unjustified, especially when there is no evidence supporting his existence
Of course, if you are not a rational person, you can believe in whatever you want, God, Allah, FSM, whatever
In both cases though, you can not "believe" in evolution, because evolution is not anything to be "believed in", it is a process that happens all the time irrelevant of what people think about it
Do not equate evolutionary theory with beliefs
2. Theistic evolution is a desperate attempt of some christians to save their beliefs, by admitting that evolution is real, but saying it was the way God chose to create man...
Which is total bullshit
Because:
1. The evidence, supporting it, is zero
2. It raises the question why God, who is supposed to be omnipotent, chose such a complex way to create man, when he could have just created everything the way we see it today. Is he really so omnipotent as people think?
One of the main proponents of theistic evolution is Francis Collins. He says evolution is real, but because God exists independent from our space-time continuum, those 13.7 billions years from the beginning of the universe were a single moment for him so he could have chosen evolution as the way to create man...
In the same time he believes in a personal Christian God, who watches every human being and all the other nonsence
This raises another question - why would a God create a universe, that's 100 billion light years big, just to create a small planet somewhere in it, where a human species will evolve, then send them his son????????
It's just ridiculous
3. Evolutionary theory explains everything pretty well without any God. Adding God to it doesn't really make it better, it is just adding God for the sake of having God there, which is totally unscientific and unjustified, especially when there is no evidence supporting his existence
This is a blanket statement. By definition rational people know that humans are not perfect. So we do not use reason all of the time. Therefore the word and the concept of rational are subjective. Because they are then subjective you are once again trying to pass of *your* beliefs as fact. Who is to say then who is rational and who isn't if no one is rational 100% of the time? To argue that some one is infact purely rational would be ludicrous.
Once again you are being subjective. Subjectivism is hardly rational.
I agree but that's not what I asked you.
Theistic evolution is a Christian concept....so you're basically nullifying every single religious belief with a Christian concept? And you're supposed to be "rational?"
All though I could argue all of this since it's all arguementative to begin with, minus the facts but the whole theological thing, I'm going to save my time. However you still missed what I asked. You're answering things I didn't even ask you. Now return to my question:
2. You mention theistic evolution. What exactly is theistic evolution and how does this negate every single possible theistic belief in God and that belief coexisting with a belief in evolution?
You're the one talking in definitive's. So prove what you're saying. Which was:
Unless of course you can't or meant something completely different in which case you proved my point about the whole rational thing being subjective and by proving that point you proved my other point: you are not a rational person.
Once again you are being subjective. Subjectivism is hardly rational.
I agree but that's not what I asked you.
Theistic evolution is a Christian concept....so you're basically nullifying every single religious belief with a Christian concept? And you're supposed to be "rational?"
All though I could argue all of this since it's all arguementative to begin with, minus the facts but the whole theological thing, I'm going to save my time. However you still missed what I asked. You're answering things I didn't even ask you. Now return to my question:
2. You mention theistic evolution. What exactly is theistic evolution and how does this negate every single possible theistic belief in God and that belief coexisting with a belief in evolution?
You're the one talking in definitive's. So prove what you're saying. Which was:
Unless of course you can't or meant something completely different in which case you proved my point about the whole rational thing being subjective and by proving that point you proved my other point: you are not a rational person.
