Houston grows its own stars: A blueprint for the Bay?

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A good read for any region thats got a unique sound, but no exposure.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20051024/en_usatoday/houstongrowsitsownstars

Houston grows its own stars

By Steve Jones, USA TODAYMon Oct 24, 7:28 AM ET

Houston's long-thriving hip-hop community has generally skirted the mainstream spotlight while other regions, particularly in the South, have taken turns challenging New York and Los Angeles for supremacy.

But in the city where the rappers extol a laid-back lifestyle with candy-paint cars, exotic rims and diamond-encrusted teeth, determination and self-reliance are starting to pay off. Set far away from the music industry's coastal power centers, Houston grew its own record labels and distribution networks, and is now fertile with breakout stars.

"Texas is one of the biggest states, and if you can just sell units here, you don't have to worry about going outside of Texas to eat real good," says Mike "5000" Watts, owner of Swisha House Records, whose motto is "Major Without a Major Deal."

Now the city's fiercely independent scene is getting a big push in the music industry's mainstream. Three long-established Houston mixtape stars have landed in the top 5 of the Billboard album chart this year with their major-label debuts.

Mike Jones' Who Is Mike Jones? was No. 3 and sold 181,000 copies in its first week in April. In July, Slim Thug's Already Platinum was No. 2 and sold 129,000 copies its first week. Paul Wall's The People's Champion replaced Kanye West's chart-topping Late Registration in September, selling 176,000 copies in its inaugural week. All three got an MTV/BET-fueled boost from their collaboration on Jones' first single, Still Tippin'. (Related story: Houston's 'chopped and 'screwed' sound)

"It's just a matter of timing and patience," Wall says. "The sound hasn't changed all that much over the past 15 years. It's time that the world is ready to hear what Houston has to say."

Says Jones: "It's new to the mainstream, but we've been holding it down for a long time with the cars, the dialect. The world is finally getting in tune with H-town. We live the American Dream down here."

More music is on the way. Veteran Bun B of locally legendary duo UGK released his highly anticipated solo debut, Trill, last week. Lil' Flip's third major-label release, I Need Mine, is out Dec. 6, and Chamillionaire, aka The Mixtape Messiah, makes his debut with The Sound of Revenge Nov. 22. He just released a World Series remix of Turn It Up Astros, a song he created for the National League champs.

Bun B says the spate of major-label interest is money-driven. "Major labels deal with crunching numbers," he says. "And when you see a Slim Thug on Boss Hogg Outlawz Records moving 40,000 units outside the system, they figure they could put a push behind that and sell five or 10 times as much."

With such goals in mind, Asylum, Warner Music Group's year-old "incubator" label, which links with promising independent labels, signed marketing and distribution deals with local powerhouses Rap-a-Lot and Swisha House, homes to many of the city's top artists.

"We are looking for strong brands that have a local following we think we can take national," Asylum president Todd Moscowitz says. "Houston has one of the most vibrant music scenes, and it's been around for 20 years. A lot of people are looking at Houston like it is to rap what Seattle was to rock.

"But you still have to find the stars within that music scene. Anybody who just rushes in to sign just any Houston artist will find themselves breathing the fumes as the car pulls away."

Chuck "Jigsaw" Creekmur, co-founder of AllHipHop.com, says the isolation from industry power centers helped Houston artists and executives.

"They didn't have the opportunity to sit in front of Def Jam," he says. "They had to rely on themselves rather than looking for a handout."

Nearly 20 years ago, James Prince founded Rap-a-Lot Records. The Geto Boys' 1991 We Can't Be Stopped album, with its infamous cover of member Bushwick Bill on a gurney being rushed into the emergency room just after being shot in the eye by a girlfriend, sparked outrage with its violent subject matter. At the same time, it gave the trio, which also includes Willie D. and solo star Scarface, a hit with the classic Mind Playing Tricks on Me.Scarface, whose 2002 masterpiece The Fix featured the hit My Block, now heads Def Jam South.

UGK (the Underground Kingz), featuring Pimp C (Chad Butler) and Bun B (Bernard Freeman), was another pioneering act. Like the Geto Boys, they never sustained mainstream success, but they were prominently featured on Jay-Z's 2000 hit BigPimpin'.

Bun B, who has become a guest artist of choice for a number of rap stars, says he intends to keep the UGK name alive until Pimp C's prison sentence for aggravated assault is up, probably in December. They co-own Trill Entertainment and will release a Middle Fingerz album early next year.

Swisha House was started 10 years ago by Watts as a mixtape production company and was a launching pad for Jones, Wall, Slim Thug and Chamillionaire. It became a record label in 1999; Slim Thug later left to form his Boss Hogg Outlawz label.

Lil' Flip (Wesley Weston), a protégé of DJ Screw (see sidebar), helped spark the current interest in Houston music. His 2002 album, Undaground Legend, sold more than 700,000 copies, and he followed it up with 2004's million-selling U Gotta Feel Me. He scored with the hit singles GameOver (Flip) and Sunshine.

Diversified new breed

Flip's success helped pave the way for the newest crop of artists, all of whom say they are grateful for the major-label push, but remain uncompromising when it comes to their music and other entrepreneurial pursuits.

• The 6-foot-6 Slim Thug (Stayve Thomas), who owns three record stores and has partnered his Boss Hogg Outlawz label with The Neptunes' Star Trak label through Interscope, says he's more into the hustle of the business than the art of it. It wasn't an idle boast when he named his album Already Platinum, but a reflection of the wealth he'd built on his own.

"It was always more a business in my mind," he says. "Anybody who knows me knows being in the limelight is out of my personality."

• Jones, who is taking acting lessons, has a clothing line and owns Ice Age Entertainment, says that even though he has gone mainstream, he's going to continue to keep the street percolating with his mixtapes.

"On the radio, people hear the same old stuff all the time," he says. "People want to hear some new stuff. That's why we still drop stuff on the underground."

• Wall (Paul Slayton), who works extensively as a DJ, remixer and promoter and has his own show on XM radio, is also one of the leading providers of bejeweled fronts - which he says can run from $50 to $50,000 - through his TV Jewelry. Kanye West, Nelly, Bun B, Jones, Brooke Valentine, Lil' Jon, David Banner, Chingy and Master P are among those who sport sparkly teeth courtesy of Wall.

"The designs are real intricate, and all the diamonds are hand-set," Wall says. "We have top-quality diamonds. You've got to shine, baby."

Chamillionaire (Hakeem Seriki) says he resisted signing with a major for a long time because the offers seemed paltry compared with what he already was achieving. Universal, he says, was the first label to understand who he was and offer a worthwhile partnership.

"If you are already selling 100,000 units at $8 apiece and a major offers you less than that," he says, "what would be the benefit of giving up everything that you control for nothing?"

But, he adds, "you don't want to be a regional superstar forever. You may have bigger goals, and that's why people started taking that bigger jump."

From the ground up

In addition to his own album, he has rapper Rasaq and DJ/producer O.G. Ron C on his Chamilitary Entertainment label. Chamillionaire and Wall started out together passing out fliers and learning the business from the ground floor at Swisha House, and got their feet wet freestyling on mixtapes. In 2002, they released Get Ya Mind Correct as the Color Changin' Clique on the local Paid in Full label and sold 100,000 copies.

They eventually went their separate ways. Wall returned to Swisha House while Chamillionaire started his label, then signed with Universal. There were hard feelings after the split, but both say they've moved on.

"I'm on a positive note," Wall says. "Anybody who is bringing any negativity to me, I'm dodging that."

"I've had my problems with people," says Chamillionaire, who has also had publicized differences with Jones. "But I feel I make good music, and I'm just chilling and focusing on my career. I called my album The Sound of Revenge because success is the best revenge that you can have on anybody that doubted you. It's not hinting at any beef, and I'm not dissing anybody. It's about success."
 
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why not? Tx and the Bay been havin connect since back in the day and Tx is alot of reason Bay was gettin play down South in the first place back in the day despite errrbody always sayin,maan the South stole this and that from us.I'm sure Tx got love for us so why not learn a little somethin from them.They been heavy on that independent grind from bout the same time as us cept they didnt have that slump like we did and now look where they are.I got much respect for them cuz it been a long ass minute and they finally gettin shine.Alot of them older cats out there know whats up with Mac Mall,E-40,Spice 1 and more,they bumped them shits like its they classics too cuz of the love we got from certain dj's out there back in the day.We kinda got the same swagger too cept now we get hyphy.I'm hopin we slow shit back down a bit and get back into that FUNK,g-funks coo but uhh we had our own FUNK sound that FUNK MOBB shit and we need to bring it back.Props on the article,I'm bout to read the rest.Oh and I been hearin some more Tx slang out here too,what it do(while I thought it was here first my homie put me up on how they been sayin that shit for a minute out there),callin beezies boppers,ridin scrapers(I'ont know what they call em out there tho,and of course grillz,thats some Texas shit.
 
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but texas supports there own
Thats true for sure. Not only Texas, but REGIONS tend to support their own. Look at the threads on here for instance: MIDWEST, SOUTH, and if there was an east coast section on here it would be labeled EAST COAST. Theres no WEST COAST on here...Theres Sac, Bay and Southern Cali. It seemed to me when I was growing up it was WEST COAST. I described Too $hort, E-40, Snoop, Dre, Eazy, Brotha Lynch, Pac, etc. as WEST COAST. But now it seems the different regions in Cali want to be the ones to "Bring The West Back" (im one of those who thinks the west never went away). The Bay has their own sound for sure and they want THEIR shit to catch on and blow up. I think the west needs to realize if they want to "Bring the west back" they have to do it together not divide their fan base into different genres basically. They DONT do it in the south, especially Texas. They dont do it in the midwest or on the east coast either. They let you know where theyre from but thats about as far as it goes.........and shit like "If it wasnt for the west/these rap niggaz wouldnt have a vest around they chest" doesnt help the networking aspect either I wouldnt think.
 
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actually they do do it in the South.I mean Texas been supportin Texas real tuff for a minute which eventually led to them havin such a big scene which keeps growin and while other parts of the South were gettin shine,moainly ATL,Texas was steady grindin and bangin out some tight shit so much the fuckin gay ass mainstream had to finally shine the spotlight over there like they were somethin new when all along while people were clumpin every South state together when referrin to the South,states like Tx in the mainstream were still goin unoticed.I think what the Bay needs to do is stop worryin if what we got is unique(we know it is),stop tryin to "sell a sound"(we know theres more than one here) and just worry about bangin out good underground music as Tx did.While I'd like unity through out the West that shit aint gon happen over night and might as well play the cards like they dealt.LA and Bay been on different hypes and both just need to go equally hard when it comes to music and worry bout resurrectin the West when need be,til then worry bout the fuckin music and keep doin our thing but this new "hyphy sound" that was stamped on us by mainstream and supported by the fed,will only help box our region into one simplistic as style and mindstate.We're more than that.All I'm sayin is wile you stated South done stuck together,really each individual state that makes up the South and is gettin shine now did it seperately and not all states got love at once.Remember,before Tx was gettin love media was hypin the fuck outta ATL,and sayin the South is taking over.Now the hype is on Tx who been waitin for a minute and media is gon drain and exploit that scene til the next "hot thing" South or not arrives.We can learn alot from Tx independent grind,ALOT but people need to bring that focus back to the music imoTHAN let everything else fall into place.
 

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but texas supports there own

Exactly, not enough Bay cats are out there supporting their artists. We have our own unique sound and we have the ability to push units but no one seems to be buying anything. Cats like Keak, Jacka, Quinn, Mess etc should be able to push 100,000 in the bay by itself. People acting like we are new to this shit, WE STARTED that independant game. I don't know what the hell happened.
 
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the problemis that there are too many artists, not enough fans. its a fact, look at soundscans and it is safe 2 say that in the bay area, there are about 10k actual rap buyers. all releases sell that at best, give or take a couple thousan end. bottom line is, we dont support our own enough and we just flat out dont go 2 the stoor 2 buy the shit
 
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thats tru and you know what? Its hella on the artists too cuz yall remember how much they used to sell back in the day right? Thats cuz they was out there still slangin shit out the trunk and networkin constantly,on the streets.Now it seems cats is a lil lazy with it,make somethin that kmel might play and than try and eat off that and make a name off that alone with maybe some internet promo too.Them Tx cats is still on that slangin shit the old way,I mean Tx is big as fuck so what other way would they have it? Cats is hungry out here but how hungry,I aint puttin down no artist doin they thang but seriously,if Tx is gon be a blueprint and we hope to supprt our artist heavy like they do,OUR artist gon have to step that independent grind right the fuck back up to how it used to be.I think thats where we slipped and now folks is feelin they self a lil much if they get on the radio than think thats enough to put them out there,feel me?
 
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Read into the numbers

Texas is doing their thing but dont be fooled by fun facts. They have a good base but if you pull up the numbers Lil Flip sold the majority of his units outside of Texas when he was underground with the Leprechaun ALbum. He sold most of his records in Cleveland,Ohio , Nebraska, and Wisconsin. If a rapper can sell 5-10 thousand units in his home base then he can use those proceeds to hire street teams, buy cable ads, and service DJ's in these outlying markets that are often ignored by the majors. Why do you think Bay Area Rap is so big in KC? There are many untapped markets like that in the US. The Blueprint isn't new. Master P laid it out when he lived in the Bay. There was a time when he was just one of many rappers in Richmond, California. He wasn't the biggest rapper in the Bay but overall he was moving more units because while other rappers were satisfied with their Bay Area fame, Master P was grinding in markets like St. Louis, Cleveland, Louisville Ky, Omaha, Denver. etc. If a rapper can sell 10000 units in the Bay area alone, there is no reason for that rapper not to hit like 40,000 overall. If they only do that 10000 then that is probably because they were content with that and they probably failed to even make an attempt to break out in other markets.
 
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yeah mane im outta Hustletown(Houston) and got nothin but love for the Bay.The Houston rap scene was fucked up a few years ago when we couldnt get our own radio stations to play our shit.It all changed after DJ Screw died.Screw was our radio cause he put some street shit the streets was feeling.To be real wit ya boys it was on a screw tape that i 1st heard bay/real street cali rap.for example we had c-bo,e-40,b-legit jammin like a muphuka.thats when them boys had that bay bassline that was knocking pictures off the wall.the way dj screw did he's mixtapes was that he played the song then kept bringing certain parts of songs back(replayed) so we can feel what they were sayin.then he played the intrumental that Screwed Up Click members flowed/freestyled off of.and ya'll right about cali-n-texas having a connection.we both influenced each others market one way or another.cause back in 95 or so b legit was doing songs with lil keke and to this day yukmouth and spice 1 doing songs with trae of guerilla maab and zro.

and i read a comment about lil flip's underground legend album selling most units out of texas.aight mane back in the day most of the stores that carried the albums weren't going through soundscan so those numbers show up.that specific album sold roughly 100,000 at a few locations i personally have a connect with.im not knocking nobody im just setting it str8.regardless of how many commercial units are sold it all come down to what relationship the artist has with the streets.through mixtapes,underground slowed/chopped albums and the easiest of all street promo-clubs,stores,malls,shows and interactin with the people buying them cd's.

i believe the bay will get its time to shine but like we say down here is you gotta pay your dues.i've also seen some griping about people using bay slang and getting mad bout it.texas has slang that other boys use but we aint tripping bout it.for example 3-6 mafia had "sippin on syrup" thats a houston,texas thing that other markets jumped up on,again,we aint trippin-we luv it mane.
 
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thats tru and you know what? Its hella on the artists too cuz yall remember how much they used to sell back in the day right? Thats cuz they was out there still slangin shit out the trunk and networkin constantly,on the streets.Now it seems cats is a lil lazy with it,make somethin that kmel might play and than try and eat off that and make a name off that alone with maybe some internet promo too.Them Tx cats is still on that slangin shit the old way,I mean Tx is big as fuck so what other way would they have it? Cats is hungry out here but how hungry,I aint puttin down no artist doin they thang but seriously,if Tx is gon be a blueprint and we hope to supprt our artist heavy like they do,OUR artist gon have to step that independent grind right the fuck back up to how it used to be.I think thats where we slipped and now folks is feelin they self a lil much if they get on the radio than think thats enough to put them out there,feel me?

IMO, both of your posts are both on the money.

1 98 K-Rob The Club Up 1
2 8 Goldfrapp
No. 1 -
3 12 Depeche Mode Precious 2
4 28 She Wants Revenge These Things 4
5 2 Chris Brown Run It 7
6 15 Juelz Santana There It Go
(The Whistle Song) 6

7 3 Carrie Underwood Inside Your Heaven 14
8 11 Prince S.S.T. 3
9 82 Kelly Osbourne One Word 16
10 23 North American Do They Know It's
Halloween Prevention Halloween? 9
Initiative
11 29 Kanye West Gold Digger 8
12 45 D.H.T. Listen to Your Heart --
13 65 Andy Bell Crazy 5
14 7 Dem Franchise Boyz Think They Like Me 11
15 -- DJ Muggs vs. GZA All In Together --

16 19 Postal Service We Will Become
Silhouettes --
17 18 Sean Paul We Be Burnin' --
18 34 Rustic Come Go With Me 20
19 -- Lyrics Born I'm Just Raw --
20 4 Bo Bice Inside Your Heaven 9


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/11/11/DDGD1FLRI51.DTL&type=chart


Those are the bay's top selling cd's, some not even on the national charts. The consumers out here are supporting somebody. Instead of saying nobody is buying cd's, consumers need to change what they are buying. I don't think its up to the consumers, cause obviously they are choosing to buy something other than what local artist are putting out. I think the artist have to do more to make a connection with local fans.
 
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http://www.heraldnewsdaily.com/stor...ws-0083315.html


LOS ANGELES (Billboard) - When it comes to filling the pipeline for hip-hop hits, Houston does not have a problem.

Houston rappers Paul Wall, Mike Jones and Slim Thug -- each of whom honed his craft on the mix-tape circuit -- are among this year‘s biggest national breakout artists. But they are just the leading edge of a movement that has long flirted with mainstream success.

Among the next wave poised to break nationally is Wall‘s former partner, Chamillionaire. Nicknamed "the Mixtape Messiah," he will make his major-label album debut November 22 with "The Sound of Revenge" on Universal Records.

"People are tired of hearing the same thing over and over again," Chamillionaire says. "They want something new. Timing is everything, and it‘s up to us to take advantage while it is hot."

Arguably the most influential Houston rap icon was DJ Screw, who died in 2000. The producer/remixer, born Robert Earl Davis Jr., introduced the term "screwed and chopped" to the rap lexicon in 1989. He manually slowed down hit tracks by using the pitch control on a turntable -- the better to listen to while hallucinating on codeine-infused cough syrup.

Called "syrup sippin‘," the practice led to DJ Screw‘s death at the age of 30. Hundreds of mix tapes before that, however, his Screwed Up Click, including players like Lil‘ Keke and Big Pokey, helped Houston rap forge its signature sound. It also opened the door to a lucrative mix-tape cottage industry that spawned Swisha House and seminal production operations like Wreckshop and Beltway 8.

By this time, Houston‘s rap culture was firmly entrenched. The music became a deep reflection of the city‘s languid pace, its searing heat and its obsession with slick cars that sported fancy spoked rims and custom grills.

"Everything we do is laid-back," says Oran "Big O" Smith, who along with Derrick Jones owns popular Houston retailer Music Depot. "We‘re in no hurry to go anywhere nor do something fast. And that‘s how the music is: something you can really feel and bob your head to."

For Asylum president Todd Moscowitz, it was timing -- and the ability to recognize a scene others had overlooked. "I wish I could say we discovered it. But there‘s been an incredibly vibrant hip-hop music scene going on there for 20 years. Everyone knew about the Geto Boys and Scarface, but not the entire scene. All we did was shine a spotlight on it."

After its launch in September 2004 by Warner Music Group, incubator label Asylum wasted little time getting down to business and tapping into Houston‘s rich rap culture. The label‘s first round of marketing and distribution announcements included pacts with Houston indie strongholds Rap-a-Lot and Swisha House.

Founded by James Prince in 1986, Rap-a-Lot is home to influential local pioneers the Geto Boys. Predating Ice-T and 2 Live Crew with raps about murder and other inflammatory subject matter in 1990, the Geto Boys sparked moral outrage while drawing attention to Houston‘s percolating rap scene.

The Geto Boys scored an R&B hit with "Mind Playing Tricks on Me" from their 1992 platinum album "We Can‘t Be Stopped." But widespread mainstream success eluded them. Rap-a-Lot released a Geto Boys reunion album earlier this year. The label‘s catalog also sports albums by Yukmouth, Dirty, Do or Die and Geto Boys member Scarface.

Swisha House began 10 years ago as a mix-tape production house, helmed by DJ Michael Watts. Jones, Wall and Slim Thug all got their starts there, as did Chamillionaire. A label division was started in 1999 with Slim Thug as one of its standout acts.

Houston‘s rap honor roll also includes gangsta duo UGK (aka the Underground Kingz). Though UGK‘s Chad "Pimp C" Butler and Bernard "Bun B" Freeman never broke nationally on their own, Jay-Z enlisted the pair for a guest stint on his top 10 R&B/top 20 pop hit "Big Pimpin"‘ in 2000. Bun B currently is enjoying his own resurgence. In addition to guest appearances on the Slim Thug, Jones and Chamillionaire albums, he is readying a solo set, "Trill," for release October 18 on Rap-a-Lot.

Another element leading to Houston‘s hip-hop renaissance was the success of Lil‘ Flip. The Sony Urban Music/Columbia artist jumped from selling 702,000 units in 2002 with "Undaground Legend" to moving 1 million in 2004 with his second Sucka Free/Sony Urban Music set "U Gotta Feel Me." Fans did. The album spawned crossover hits "Game Over (Flip)" and "Sunshine" (featuring Lea). The latter climbed to No. 2 on the Billboard Hot 100.

Wall, the city‘s most recent breakout story, says, "Lil‘ Flip just proved to people that although this style is different and they might not understand it, it‘s working. So that drew a lot of attention to the rest of us in Houston."

Wall‘s Swisha House/Asylum Records debut, "The People‘s Champ," claimed the No. 1 spot on the Billboard 200 in early October. Four weeks after its release, it sits at No. 17 with sales of 294,000 units, according to Nielsen SoundScan.

Star Trak/Geffen/Interscope artist Slim Thug bowed at No. 2 on the big chart in July with "Already Platinum" (128,000 units). The album is now closing in on gold status, with 348,000 copies sold.

Leading the mainstream charge in April was Wall‘s labelmate Jones. Thanks to the BET- and MTV-pumped first single "Still Tippin"‘ (featuring Slim Thug and Wall), "Who Is Mike Jones?" bowed at No. 3 on the Billboard 200 and has sold 1.1 million copies to date.

"When ‘Still Tippin‘ ‘ started picking up, it was like, ‘Yeah, we got our foot in the door,"‘ Wall says. "But we‘re not comfortable with just this. We want to go through it and bring a bunch of people with us."