Haha.. Mars is on the News again

JackArtist510 · Sep 20, 2009

if i was that ugly id do some crazy shit too

Roz · Sep 20, 2009

Well man... I'd say 90% of horrorcore is based off of shock value, and/or the horror movie genre... Kinda like what Ozzy, or Alice Cooper did with rock... then Marlyn Manson emulated... the other 10% would be like myself, of cats who are really crazy who just need an outlet to spit whats goin' on in their head, otherwise they might really flip...

I've been in-and-out of state and mental hospitals all of my life for suicide attempts/thoughts mixed with homicidal thoughts... drug addiction, and all kinds of bullshit... I'd compare that system to the prison system as in the governments way to make money off a bad situation, and keep a certain group locked-up, and addicted to their own wave of drugs...

What I'm gettin' at is that a lot of these emcee's like myself use hip-hop as an outlet, or therapy to speak what's goin' on in our heads or lives... just like any real rapper would do... If listeners connect, so be it, if not, fuck it... I'm sure they can find something else to listen to... But, what this kid did is inexcusable, and just plain wrong in my book... He could of found other ways to deal with his shit, but instead chose to deal with his problems by acting like a bitch... so hopefully he gets treated like one...

necro00 · Sep 20, 2009

Infantry Elite said:

I dunno man, I listen to tons of death metal that certain rivals horror core in terms of lyrics and image, and im perfectly normal and social. Tough to cast judgments like that. I find it funny that people post on this board which was founded based on lynch sicx and raided. Who all rap or have rapped about fucked up things that can be labeled horror core. Im not defending horror core but theres a strong double standard with this discussion.

Infantry Elite · Sep 20, 2009

necro00 said:

I dunno man, I listen to tons of death metal that certain rivals horror core in terms of lyrics and image, and im perfectly normal and social. Tough to cast judgments like that. I find it funny that people post on this board which was founded based on lynch sicx and raided. Who all rap or have rapped about fucked up things that can be labeled horror core. Im not defending horror core but theres a strong double standard with this discussion.

it was a joke, for the most part :siccness:

carl winslow · Sep 21, 2009

Roz said:

thanks for that insight. thats really interesting.

so are you saying most horrorcore rappers go into the studio with the mindset of ok im gonna spit about shit that i know people find shocking/disturbing/extreme. and do they just do this cause they know there will be an audience of kids who will go for it...and thus give them some form fame (even if just minimal or local)?

and then there are people like yourself, who maybe dont actually go around killing and raping ppl but have thoughts about it all the time in your head? and so when you rap about killing and shit, you actually mean it, just wouldnt act on it?

damn i have all these questions flying in head but dont even know where to start. the shock value rappers i get, but ive never really thought about the fact that some people truly have super morbid thoughts and express it in music...i honestly thought this shit was meant to be laughed at...but thats probably cause i never actually paid any close attention to it. now im just kind of confused

A1Yola06 · Sep 21, 2009

who doesn't have thoughts about killing people??? Its normal, so why not rap about it. The other day it was like 6 AM and I was riding the bus an this fuckin asshole was talkin on his cell phone hella loud about his neighbors cat getting stuck or some shit, for like 5 minuties straight innterupting dead silence. I felt like bashing his head in with a rock or some shit!

Anyway, I wonder why he killed them, and why the fuck did he just leave the bodies to rott an get all stinky?! Like that shit wasint gunna start smelling hella bad and no one would notice.

carl winslow · Sep 21, 2009

A1Yola06 said:

see whenever ppl have said shit like that ive always assumed they were joking. honestly cant say ive ever actually thought about killing someone...especially for shit like someone being loud hella loud in the morning. if someone killed someone close to me, maybe then id start getting those thoughts though

A1Yola06 · Sep 21, 2009

^^^ the difference between a sane person and a crazy person is being able to seperate a thought from an action, thats how I see it.

COPIUM · Sep 21, 2009

wps eehh ehh

M BUTCHER 206 · Sep 21, 2009

if you listen to something over and over and over again its going to affect your mentality

i mean, i like gangster rap but im glad the whole of seattle doesnt like it, otherwise seattle would just be a bunch of beefing and drivebys and gang wars

i mean, just picture if EVERYONE in the united states listened to gangster rap. you cant tell me that we wouldnt be an even more violent society, that shit would be ridiculous. i wouldnt even want to go outside, everyone would have a fucking gun and would be on some bullshit

just like if EVERYONE in the united states listened to marilyn manson. you cant tell me that everyone wouldnt be all fuckin weird and drugged out and the suicide rate wouldnt increase drastically.

im not saying its mars fault this moron did what he did, but the music dude was listening to definitely potentiated an awful mentality, and was likely part of the reason

WT SAVAGE · Sep 21, 2009

if any type of music, makes you hurt/kill someone your're weak minded. but this dude was a bitch.

chill winston · Sep 21, 2009

"People get the impression we're these twisted, sick individuals and we don't have hearts and we just want to talk about murder and the devil," said Shrim, who performs himself under the name SickTanicK."

YEA YOU FUCKIN MORON

RedStorm · Sep 21, 2009

As for the interest in horrorcore...

I think for some it's the fantasy of it all. Not a necessarily a fantasy like truly wanting to hurt someone, but a type of intriguing alternate reality. Or just an exaggeration of normal emotions. And these are things for which there are no consequences because it's just music. Just like a cartoon: impossible things happen, and everything turns out alright. It's entertainment, and I guess to some it's art.

But anyway, I don't listen to horrorcore.

Sharky da Ghost · Sep 21, 2009

I live a couple hours away from where this shit happened. I heard about it on the news last night. I've never heard of Mars though, and the news here didn't say anything about horrorcore.

Ed Gein · Sep 21, 2009

i listen to horrorcore and i havent killed anyone. yet. i just seen this on yahoo. mars getting a lot of publicity again it looks like

Investigators are trying to determine whether a suspect's fascination with violent rap lyrics fueled the killings of four people found dead in a Longwood University professor's home.

Farmville police said the victims, which include a Presbyterian minister, might have been killed on different days, although authorities still were awaiting completion of autopsies. The bodies were found in different parts of the house.

On Saturday, police captured Richard Samuel Alden McCroskey III at Richmond International Airport as he was waiting for a flight to California, where he lives. That was one day after police found the bodies in the Farmville home of professor Debra S. Kelley, and her daughter, Emma Niederbrock.

The only victim police are identifying is Kelley's husband, Mark Niederbrock, the pastor at Walker's Presbyterian Church in Hixburg in Appomattox County. Authorities have identified the three others only as females, and they are not discussing how the victims were killed. Friends and associates identified the females as Kelley, Emma Niederbrock and Melanie Wells, a friend of Emma's visiting from West Virginia.

Today, McCroskey has an initial court hearing in Prince Edward County General District Court. He is charged with first-degree murder in the slaying of Mark Niederbrock, robbery and grand larceny in the theft of Niederbrock's car.

McCroskey, 20, of Castro Valley, Calif., rapped about killing people, although police say the deaths did not exactly match the lyrics in his songs.

People who know McCroskey described him as him as a fan and promoter of the "horrorcore" genre, which is hip-hop music accompanied by violent lyrics, but they said they did not believe he was violent.

Wade Stimpson, acting chief of the Farmville Police Department, said it is possible the victims died at different times.

Rebecca Stratton, treasurer of Walker's Presbyterian, said she spoke with Niederbrock by phone Thursday afternoon and that he said he was headed to Richmond for a meeting. He and Kelley were separated.

Farmville police say they found the bodies after an officer smelled what he thought was an odor of human decay on Friday about 3:10 p.m. at Kelley's home at 505 First Ave.

At normal room temperature, a body would not start to smell until about 48 hours after death, suggesting that at least one of the victims died Wednesday or earlier, said Dr. Marcella Fierro, a retired former chief state medical examiner.

"The father would not have been dead at the time the others were," Fierro said.

Stimpson said officers initially discovered three bodies in the house and then left to get a search warrant before returning and finding the fourth. "It wasn't in the same place that the other bodies were," he said, declining to elaborate.

Police say they encountered McCroskey at the home Thursday when they went to check on a visiting West Virginia teenager at the request of her mother. McCroskey told police she was at the movies. They found the bodies when police returned to check on her the next day.

Investigators say McCroskey acted alone in the killings.

Police said McCroskey wrecked Niederbrock's car sometime early Friday, received a ride to Sheetz on South Main Street in Farmville and arrived at Richmond International by taxi. He was captured Saturday sleeping in a baggage-claim area waiting for a flight back to California.

One song attributed to McCroskey on one of his MySpace pages discusses committing murder in a rage, trying to get rid of the remains and driving a stolen vehicle.

"This thing is not playing out exactly like the song was," Stimpson said. "It's ironic that he writes lyrics like this. . . . The fact that he's talking about killing people -- that's close enough to make us interested."

A friend who owns a small, independent record label that specializes in horrorcore confirmed that the site and the songs were McCroskey's. Andres Shrim, who owns Serial Killin Records in New Mexico, said others shouldn't judge McCroskey by what they see on his Web site or hear in his music.

Describing McCroskey as a "great kid," Shrim said he has known him for at least two years and that he last saw McCroskey on Sept. 12 at an all-day music festival in Southgate, Mich.

"You would never, ever imagine that kid even being a suspect," Shrim said. "If he is found to be guilty, I would be 100 percent shocked."

Shrim said performers and fans shouldn't be labeled violent, even though horrorcore focuses on murder and other morbid subjects.

"People get the impression we're these twisted, sick individuals and we don't have hearts and we just want to talk about murder and the devil," said Shrim, who performs under the name SickTanicK. "But we just want to express that other side of life."

One of McCroskey's MySpace pages lists Mars, a horrorcore artist whose real name is Mario Delgado, as one of his favorite artists. Delgado said yesterday that he has seen McCroskey at some of his shows and signed autographs for him.

Delgado, who raps about raping and killing people, said he does not condone murder but also said he believes his lyrics might have influenced McCroskey. Delgado said a Farmville investigator called him yesterday to discuss that angle.

"If the wrong kind of kid gets ahold of this music and takes it the wrong way," Delgado said, "then it could be a dangerous thing."

Delgado has been connected with violent events before. Jeff Weise, a gunman who killed nine students and himself at Red Lake High School in Minnesota in 2005, is said to have listened to Mars.

Amber Edwards, 18, of Indiana described herself as a close online friend of McCroskey and said she also was in touch with Emma Niederbrock.

She said McCroskey, whom she knew as Sam, contacted her this month and wrote that he was leaving Sept. 7 or 8 to fly to Virginia to visit Niederbrock and the teenager who was visiting from West Virginia. The three attended the music festival Sept. 12 in Michigan, Edwards said.

Before he left, McCroskey wrote her that he was afraid the plane would crash on the way to Virginia. "Nobody ever pictured Sam to do anything like this," she said.

McCroskey's sister, reached by phone yesterday, said, "I'm not answering any questions," before the line went dead.

McCroskey had no adult criminal record in Alameda County, Calif., which includes Castro Valley, according to Lt. Dave Alvey of the Alameda Sheriff's Office.

On Sept. 2, though, someone named Sam McCroskey called police at 1:41 a.m. to report that his sister had friends at the home and they were making too much noise, Alvey said.

Yesterday, McCroskey's father called the Sheriff's Office on his way home and requested a police escort because he had heard that reporters were waiting outside, Alvey said. The Sheriff's Office declined.

The phone number to the home is unlisted, and McCroskey's parents could not be reached for comment.

Ed Gein · Sep 21, 2009

i found another one thats longer

Published: September 21, 2009
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IInvestigators are trying to determine whether a suspect’s fascination with violent rap lyrics fueled the killings of four people found dead in a Longwood University professor’s home.

Farmville police said the victims, which include a church pastor, might have been killed on different days, although authorities still were awaiting the completion of autopsies. One of the bodies was found in a different part of the house.

On Saturday, police captured Richard Samuel Alden McCroskey III at Richmond International Airport as he was waiting for a flight home to California. That was one day after police found the bodies in the Farmville home of professor Debra S. Kelley.

Investigators say McCroskey acted alone.

The only victim police are identifying is Kelley’s husband, Mark Niederbrock, the pastor at Walker’s Presbyterian Church in Appomattox County. Authorities have identified the three others only as females, and they are not discussing how the victims were killed. Friends and associates identified the females as Kelley, her daughter, Emma Niederbrock, and Melanie Wells, a friend of Emma’s visiting from West Virginia.

Today, McCroskey has an initial court hearing in Prince Edward County General District Court. He is charged with first-degree murder in the slaying of Mark Niederbrock, robbery of money from Niederbrock’s wallet and grand larceny in the theft of Niederbrock’s car, police said.

McCroskey, 20, of Castro Valley, Calif., rapped about killing people, although police say the deaths did not necessarily match the lyrics in his songs.

On one of his MySpace Web pages, McCroskey promoted his music under the stage name “Syko Sam.” Both of his MySpace pages were deactivated last night.

People who know McCroskey described him as a fan and promoter of the “horrorcore” genre, which is hip-hop music accompanied by violent lyrics, but they said they did not believe he was violent.

Wade Stimpson, acting chief of the Farmville Police Department, said it is possible the victims died at different times.

Rebecca Stratton, the treasurer of Walker’s Presbyterian, said she spoke with Niederbrock by phone Thursday afternoon and he said he was headed to Richmond for a meeting. He and Kelley were separated.

Farmville police say they found the bodies after an officer smelled what he thought was an odor of human decay about 3:10 p.m. on Friday at Kelley’s home at 505 First Ave.

At normal room temperature, a body would not start to smell until about 48 hours after death, suggesting that at least one of the victims died Wednesday or earlier, said Dr. Marcella Fierro, a retired former chief medical examiner for the state.

“The father would not have been dead at the time the others were,” Fierro said.

Stimpson said officers initially discovered three bodies in the house, then left to get a search warrant before returning and finding the fourth. “It wasn’t in the same place that the other bodies were,” he said, declining to elaborate.

Police say they encountered McCroskey at the home Thursday when they went to check on a visiting West Virginia teenager at the request of her mother. McCroskey told police she was at the movies. They found the bodies when police returned to check on her the next day.

Police said McCroskey wrecked Niederbrock’s car sometime early Friday morning, received a ride to Sheetz on South Main Street in Farmville and arrived at Richmond International by taxi. He was captured Saturday sleeping in a baggage-claim area waiting for a flight back to California.

One song attributed to McCroskey on one of his MySpace pages discusses committing murder in a rage, trying to get rid of the remains and driving a stolen vehicle.

“This thing is not playing out exactly like the song was,” Stimpson said. “It’s ironic that he writes lyrics like this. .¤.¤. The fact that he’s talking about killing people — that’s close enough to make us interested.”

Andres Shrim, a friend who owns a record label that specializes in horrorcore, described McCroskey as a nice, intelligent “good kid.” Shrim said he doesn’t believe McCroskey is guilty.

He said he saw McCroskey on Sept. 12 at a music festival in Southgate, Mich.

If, however, it turns out he committed the killings, “it had absolutely nothing to do with his music, my music or with horrorcore in general,” said Shrim, owner of Serial Killin Records in New Mexico. “He made that decision on his own.”

He said that listening to horrorcore is “no different that turning on the news.”

Phil Chalmers, who wrote the book “Inside the Mind of a Teen Killer,” said he interviewed 200 people who killed when they were juveniles and that a leading cause for the violence was a fascination with violent entertainment.

Chalmers said at least 20 homicide cases in America were tied to horrorcore. He said the genre provides a sense of community for outcasts, sometimes giving them the courage to carry out violent fantasies.

“You kind of throw gasoline on the fire,” Chalmers said.

One of McCroskey’s MySpace pages listed Mars, a horrorcore artist whose real name is Mario Delgado, as one of his favorite artists. Delgado said yesterday that he has seen McCroskey at some of his shows and signed autographs for him.

Delgado, who raps about rape and murder, said he does not condone murder but said he believes his lyrics might have influenced McCroskey. Delgado said a Farmville investigator called him yesterday to discuss that angle.

“If the wrong kind of kid gets ahold of this music and takes it the wrong way,” Delgado said, “then it could be a dangerous thing.”

Delgado has been connected with violent events before. Jeff Weise, a gunman who killed seven people and himself at Red Lake High School in Minnesota in 2005, is said to have listened to Mars.

Amber Edwards, 18, of Indiana described herself as a close online friend of McCroskey and said she also was in touch with Emma Niederbrock.

She said McCroskey, whom she knew as Sam, contacted her this month and wrote that he was leaving Sept. 7 or 8 to fly to Virginia to visit Emma Niederbrock and the teenager who was visiting from West Virginia. The three attended the music festival Sept. 12 in Michigan, Edwards said.

Before he left, McCroskey wrote her that he was afraid the plane would crash on the way to Virginia. “Nobody ever pictured Sam to do anything like this,” she said.

McCroskey’s sister, reached by phone yesterday, said, “I’m not answering any questions,” before the line went dead.

McCroskey had no adult criminal record in Alameda County, Calif., which includes Castro Valley, according to Lt. Dave Alvey of the Alameda Sheriff’s Office.

On Sept. 2, though, someone named Sam McCroskey called police at 1:41 a.m. to report that his sister had friends at the home and they were making too much noise, Alvey said.

Yesterday, McCroskey’s father called the Sheriff’s Office on his way home and requested a police escort because he had heard that reporters were waiting outside, Alvey said. The Sheriff’s Office declined.

The phone number to the home is unlisted, and McCroskey’s parents could not be reached for comment.

Contact Reed Williams at (804) 649-6332 or [email protected] .)

(Staff writer Louis Llovio contributed to this report.)
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Mr. Nice Guy · Sep 21, 2009

A1Yola06 said:

who doesn't have thoughts about killing people??? Its normal, so why not rap about it. The other day it was like 6 AM and I was riding the bus an this fuckin asshole was talkin on his cell phone hella loud about his neighbors cat getting stuck or some shit, for like 5 minuties straight innterupting dead silence. I felt like bashing his head in with a rock or some shit!

LMAO

Uhhh you could have asked him to keep it down

Ed Gein · Sep 21, 2009

i like the first idea better.

jake921660 · Sep 21, 2009

Every time i see dudes sig out of the corner of my eye i think its suzy ^^^^^^^^^^^

Ed Gein · Sep 21, 2009

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