GTA San Andreas re-rated: Adults Only

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San Andreas rated AO, Take-Two suspends production

[UPDATE 1] Following an investigation, ESRB slaps dreaded 18-and-over rating on controversy-racked best-seller; Take-Two lowers guidance, still blames "unauthorized third party modification."
After percolating for weeks, the Hot Coffee controversy has finally boiled over. Today, Take-Two Interactive announced that as the result of an investigation by the Entertainment Software Ratings Board (ESRB), Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas will now bear an AO for Adults Only rating. Previously, the game was rated M for Mature.

The re-rating comes nearly a month after the first reports surfaced of the so-called "Hot Coffee" mod for the PC version of San Andreas. After being installed, the widely available mod lets users play a bonus sex minigame as a reward for completing the numerous "girlfriend" missions in San Andreas.
After video of the mod was widely circulated, such figures as ardent anti-game activist Jack Thompson and US Senator Hilary Clinton blasted the game. Clinton went as far as to publicly equate violent games with cigarettes and alcohol as a hazard to America's youth. In turn, political heat caused the ESRB to launch the aforementioned investigation, which looked into whether the mod was included in the original game or was made by a third party.

In response, Rockstar Games, the Take-Two subsidiary that develops and publishes San Andreas, issued a carefully worded but heated statement in reference to the PC mod. "So far we have learned that the 'Hot Coffee' modification is the work of a determined group of hackers who have gone to significant trouble to alter scenes in the official version of the game," it read.

However, Rockstar's statement did little to extinguish the fires of controversy. Soon, reports began to surface that the console versions of San Andreas contained code for the sex minigame. Late last week, GameSpot editors unlocked the code from a PlayStation 2 copy of San Andreas bought in October 2004, using an Action Replay Max device and a series of cheat codes. Since console games are written on unalterable DVDs and cheat codes cannot introduce new content, the fact the minigame was playable at all means it was included in the original PS2 San Andreas, albeit hidden.

The AO for Adults Only rating means that, according to the ESRB's official definition, the current version of the game now "should only be played by persons 18 years and older" and "may include prolonged scenes of intense violence and/or graphic sexual content and nudity." This doesn't sound too far off from the ESRB definition for the M for Mature rating, which says games bearing it "have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content, and/or strong language."

But while they sound similar on paper, the AO and M ratings have one very big difference in real life. Namely, most major chain stores, including the all-important retail behemoth Wal-Mart, will not carry AO-rated games. By contrast, M-rated games aren't even separated from games bearing the T for Teen, E10+ for Everyone 10 and older, and E for Everyone ratings. (Games rated EC for Early Childhood are usually educational in scope and are found in different sections.)

In its statement, Take-Two outlined its response to the commerce-limiting AO rating. "[Take-Two subsidiary] Rockstar Games has ceased manufacturing of the current version of the title and will begin working on a version of the game with enhanced security to prevent the 'hot coffee' modifications," it read. "This version will retain the original ESRB M-rating and is expected to be available during the Company's fourth fiscal quarter." The quarter in question runs from August to October, 2005. The company will also release a patch for the currently available PC version of the game which will lock out the sex minigames.

Take-Two also braced Wall Street for the financial fallout of the ESRB's decision. Its statement, which was released after markets closed, said the company was lowering guidance for its third fiscal quarter (which ends July 31, 2005) to $160-$170 million in net sales and a net loss per share of $0.40-$0.45. Take-Two also lowered its guidance for the fiscal year (which ends October 31) to $1.26-$1.31 billion in net sales and $1.05-$1.12 in diluted earnings per share. The news hammered Take-Two's stock, which was down $1.82 (6.72 percent) in after-hours trading as of press time.

While not good, today's news was not as bad as it could have been. Most industry watchers had expected a hefty fine from either the ESRB or possibly even the government. Some even speculated that the company would be forced to recall all copies of the game, at a catastrophic expense.

For its part, Take-Two stuck by its contention that the re-rating was "due to unauthorized third party 'Hot Coffee' modification." The publisher reminded the public that "the scenes depicted in the 'Hot Coffee' modification are not playable in the retail version of the game unless the user downloads and/or installs unauthorized software that alters the content of the original retail version of the title, representing a violation of Take-Two and Rockstar's end user license agreement (EULA) and intellectual property rights."

Paul Eibeler, Take-Two's president and chief executive officer, also gave his personal thoughts on the matter in the statement. "We are deeply concerned that the publicity surrounding these unauthorized modifications has caused the game to be misrepresented to the public and has detracted from the creative merits of this award winning product," he said.

"The ESRB's decision to re-rate a game based on an unauthorized third party modification presents a new challenge for parents, the interactive entertainment industry and anyone who distributes or consumes digital content," Eibler continued. "Rockstar Games is pleased that the investigation is now settled and they look forward to returning their focus to making innovative and groundbreaking video games for a mature audience."

[UPDATE 1] An Associated Press story on the rating quoted Take-Two spokesman Jim Ankner as apparently admitting that "there is sex content in the [San Andreas] disc....The editing and finalization of any game is a complicated task and it's not uncommon for unused and unfinished content to remain on the disc." However, a Rockstar Games spokesperson flatly told GameSpot that Ankner "was misquoted."

There was no misquoting Patricia Vance, president of the ESRB. In a sternly worded statement on the ESRB site, she said "we have concluded that sexually explicit material exists in a fully rendered, unmodified form on the final discs of all three platform versions of the game (i.e., PC CD-ROM, Xbox, and PS2)." She also had harsh words for Take-Two. "Considering the existence of the undisclosed and highly pertinent content on the final discs, compounded by the broad distribution of the third party modification, the credibility and utility of the initial ESRB rating has been seriously undermined," she said. "Going forward, the ESRB will now require all game publishers to submit any pertinent content shipped in final product even if is not intended to ever be accessed during game play, or remove it from the final disc."

Vance did concur with Rockstar's assertion that the sex minigames were "programmed by Rockstar to be inaccessible to the player and they have stated that it was never intended to be made accessible. The material can only be accessed by downloading a software patch, created by an independent third party without Rockstar's permission, which is now freely available on the internet and through console accessories. " A Rockstar spokesperson said the company was considering legal action against Action Replay, GameShark, and other makers of console cheat devices which allow access to the sex minigames.

By Tor Thorsen -- GameSpot
POSTED: 07/20/05 03:15 PM PST
 
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Thank you Hillary Clinton.

I don't want to hear any of you tellin me how you're gunna vote for this bitch when she runs for pres. And i don't wanna hear more of that how great the clinton legacy is bullshit cuz they and the Gores were pulling this shit back then too and they still do it now.

Thumbs mutha fuckin down
 
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Thank you Hillary Clinton.

I don't want to hear any of you tellin me how you're gunna vote for this bitch when she runs for pres. And i don't wanna hear more of that how great the clinton legacy is bullshit cuz they and the Gores were pulling this shit back then too and they still do it now.

Thumbs mutha fuckin down

I dont agree with you on a lot of shit, but this I do. Fuck Hillary Clinton and the rest of her family. It started with Tipper Gore and rap. Fuck this might as well just go ahead and give up the rst of our rights. If she gets elected its all bad. Guilliani in 08 because we cant go Clinton again. Not her if she gets elected gays and people who think we should be politically correct will be everywhere. There goes our right of speech. So in this Cold Blooded Iam in 100% agreement, so peace.

I second this THUMBS DOWN MIDDLE FINGERS UP.
 
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based on the article i read today on cnn regarding this; i went straight to newegg and bought the PC edition so i could have the version where you could unlock the scene; mainly for shits & giggles and to support the OG version
 

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  • Ry

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she does have a point there though.

It is a mixture of things though....not just this game,...but a shitload, including TV, Movies & Music have put a negative influence on todays youth.

Fuck Hillary.....but she does have a point.

I disagree with ya there Shea. Its bad parenting that is influencing the youth. Kids nowadays need an ass whooping every once in awhile. Its a huge cop out to blame entertainment for the evils of society. It reminds me of the late 80's when Ice T, PE and 2 Live Crew were being targeted for the same shit by Tipper Gore.
 
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Rob S4 said:
Guilliani in 08 because we cant go Clinton again. Not her if she gets elected gays and people who think we should be politically correct will be everywhere. There goes our right of speech.

Giuliani is actually a frequent opponent of free speech. (Brooklyn Institute of the Arts and Sciences v. City of New York (Giuliani) 1999)

But yeah, hillary must be desperate to try to play herself off as the moral high ground.
 
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I agree with u both shea and mr ry,

but i dont see how gta was effecting children when they shouldnt have even been playing it in the first place...

porn...its there, comes in magazine, dvd's, tapes and internet streams... BUT ITS MEANT FOR ADULTS. but because its a "game" people think "kids play games".. but kids also watch tv, read and go on-line also... why is it that parents can monitor, what they watch, what websites they go too and what they read....but when it comes to video games (ITS FOR KIDS!!!! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHH WRONG!!!!)

funfact: 78% of people who play video games are 18 and older.

I was at werk and this dood on KGO newstalk810 were talking about it and was saying how apalled he was and shit so i gave them a ring and asked this simple question...

"why should the content of something thats made for 17+ and older being put under the microscope for the sake of the children who were never meant to play it???"

u shoulda heard the silence.... dood came back with a question that had nothing at all to do with it..

"b-but what do u think is more damaging to a child, violence or sexual content"

WTF????????? i jus said both can be equally damageing but whos responsability is it too keep them away from adult entertainment?????? thats when he said "good point thanks for your call" and hung up

I posted this up not that long ago.....

http://www.siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?t=148990

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has link where u can download it...
 
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D-Boy said:
Giuliani is actually a frequent opponent of free speech. (Brooklyn Institute of the Arts and Sciences v. City of New York (Giuliani) 1999)

But yeah, hillary must be desperate to try to play herself off as the moral high ground.
any links where I can check that homie?
 
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Parapraxis said:
based on the article i read today on cnn regarding this; i went straight to newegg and bought the PC edition so i could have the version where you could unlock the scene; mainly for shits & giggles and to support the OG version
Yep, got my copy for the PC in the mail today