The word of the day is PROFESSIONALISM. Can we say it all together now! PROFESSIONALISM. Think about if you caught a case, and you went to court and talked to the judge in a beanie or bandanna or even a hat, they would throw you out of the court room, they wont even hear your case, and think if you took off the beanie in front of everyone after interupting the court cause the ballif has to ask you in front of everyone to take that shit off your head. Now u got baggie pants and a long ass white tee. U think the judge is even gonna hear what u have to say, she gonna throw the book at you, now the guy that dresses real nice with his lawyer usilly gets his case dismissed or comunity service or some lesser fine.
GANG INJUNCTION HEARING @ CITY HALL 2M MORNING
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i make it a point to not answer ignorant questions, especially on Siccness...simply for the fact that most people on here are stubborn and rarely change their views.
But since he asked in a constructive way, the reason why the flyers look like that is to appeal to young folks so that they can read & digest the information in a productive way (i made the flyer with the input of youth in our program), and old english or graffitti drips aren't "GANG CULTURE" - which is the same thing you were trying to point out with how only "gang members" dress which again is incorrect. We can take this back to the Zoot Suit Riots and how young people dressed, the racial discrimination and outcasting due to people thinking only GANG MEMBERS dress this way. Yes, i understand where you are coming from, and you made valid points - but at the same time, these young people are growing up in a society based on image, so if you are going to blame them, blame the economy, the billion dollars a year dedicated solely to advertising to this demographic, movies, "role models", singers, actors, etc.. that all play a part into why a young person dresses a certain way. I do also agree that family values can be key, but face it..kids will do whatever they want - that doesn't mean they should be criminalized for the brand name of pants they wear, or because they live in a certain community where all their role models dress & act a certain way - the fact is, people are being put on this list with no FAIR criteria, or clear opt-out process as well as never having any criminal record that is linked to any type of gang violence what so ever.
The REAL questions are WHY IS THE CITY only targeting the poor black&brown neighborhoods where BIG BUSINESSES (Lennar Corporation) have interest in? Why aren't there gang injunctions in the sunset where there are numerous cases of gang violence directly linked to Asian street organizations or Irish Gangs, Chinatown, etc..?????
THIS IS ETHNIC CLEANSING AND A POLITICAL TACTIC BY CITY ATTORNEY DENNIS HERRERA WHO DOES HAVE INTENTIONS IN RUNNING FOR MAYOR OF SAN FRANCISCO PRETTY SOON
as far as why some of the young folks weren't dressed "serious enough" - are you going to give them funds to go out and get them new attire? again, this was a town hall meeting/hearing - NOT A COURT DATE and once i get the video up, you will see that even the suits & ties of downtown San Francisco didn't make sense on that podium, and were caught answering questions in loopholes, the board of supervisors even made the point that if they were going to stand before them argueing why these injunctions work, for next time to bring concrete evidence and think about how to answer questions correctly - THOSE "SLOPPY" YOUNG FOLKS YOU POINTED OUT WERE ARTICULATE AND MADE MANY MORE VALID POINTS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAN CITY ATTORNEY'S REPRESENTATION.
We have support from CBOS, The public defenders office, Supervisor's Chris Daly, Tom Ammiano, ACLU, La Raza Centro Legal, other government officials and so on..
What we have introduced is new legislation and a moratorium on future gang injunctions. This isnt just a community speaking gibberish.. This is a people united making changes in our judicial system to better our communities.
But since he asked in a constructive way, the reason why the flyers look like that is to appeal to young folks so that they can read & digest the information in a productive way (i made the flyer with the input of youth in our program), and old english or graffitti drips aren't "GANG CULTURE" - which is the same thing you were trying to point out with how only "gang members" dress which again is incorrect. We can take this back to the Zoot Suit Riots and how young people dressed, the racial discrimination and outcasting due to people thinking only GANG MEMBERS dress this way. Yes, i understand where you are coming from, and you made valid points - but at the same time, these young people are growing up in a society based on image, so if you are going to blame them, blame the economy, the billion dollars a year dedicated solely to advertising to this demographic, movies, "role models", singers, actors, etc.. that all play a part into why a young person dresses a certain way. I do also agree that family values can be key, but face it..kids will do whatever they want - that doesn't mean they should be criminalized for the brand name of pants they wear, or because they live in a certain community where all their role models dress & act a certain way - the fact is, people are being put on this list with no FAIR criteria, or clear opt-out process as well as never having any criminal record that is linked to any type of gang violence what so ever.
The REAL questions are WHY IS THE CITY only targeting the poor black&brown neighborhoods where BIG BUSINESSES (Lennar Corporation) have interest in? Why aren't there gang injunctions in the sunset where there are numerous cases of gang violence directly linked to Asian street organizations or Irish Gangs, Chinatown, etc..?????
THIS IS ETHNIC CLEANSING AND A POLITICAL TACTIC BY CITY ATTORNEY DENNIS HERRERA WHO DOES HAVE INTENTIONS IN RUNNING FOR MAYOR OF SAN FRANCISCO PRETTY SOON
as far as why some of the young folks weren't dressed "serious enough" - are you going to give them funds to go out and get them new attire? again, this was a town hall meeting/hearing - NOT A COURT DATE and once i get the video up, you will see that even the suits & ties of downtown San Francisco didn't make sense on that podium, and were caught answering questions in loopholes, the board of supervisors even made the point that if they were going to stand before them argueing why these injunctions work, for next time to bring concrete evidence and think about how to answer questions correctly - THOSE "SLOPPY" YOUNG FOLKS YOU POINTED OUT WERE ARTICULATE AND MADE MANY MORE VALID POINTS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAN CITY ATTORNEY'S REPRESENTATION.
We have support from CBOS, The public defenders office, Supervisor's Chris Daly, Tom Ammiano, ACLU, La Raza Centro Legal, other government officials and so on..
What we have introduced is new legislation and a moratorium on future gang injunctions. This isnt just a community speaking gibberish.. This is a people united making changes in our judicial system to better our communities.
u gotta be from those neighbor hoods dealing with the gang injuction to really understand this. im from the mission district and ive seen many innocent people get fucked with. so if u aint seen it from your eyes then you have no room to speak down on shit. real shit's going on in these streets and shit needa be fixed. i aint saying don't fuck wit the bangin homies, that's a part of the gang bang life. but taking it to another level to get these whiteys to be safe is some fucked up shit. in the 90's all u saw was latin people in the mission, now do to all this bullshit u see whiteys lurkin the streets in groups of 10 drunk as fuck..... what's the difference ? u c a colored person drunk he get fucked with. white people in the mission district look at me as if i don't belong where i was born n raised at, they ain't down with colored people in white neighborhoods.... fuck that shit. fuck bitch ass herrera.
Dennis Herrera may be on the frontlines on this issue but be certain their are Alot more Other backroom figures(governor arnold,jerry brown,nancy pelosi, to name a few major ones) endorsing and co signing these policys across the city and state. Because these will be Landmark Cases in the next few years and how future cities will combat the threat of new and emerging Gang Organizations they feel our a threat to their city/town.These laws are the tools and blueprint for future gang injuctions in other u.s cities for Brand New emerging groups.
On top of that be aware that Chris Daly & Tom Ammiano both have future mayoral hopes and are Politcal Figures and get behind certain Hot Community issues and topics simply because of 'Good Politics.
Asian,Irish,Italian & even Gay/Homosexual organizations have Deep financial & political Intrest in city Hall and the board of supervisors....Or else you would see Gang Injuctions on the Catsro,Chinatown and north beach.
They Place the word "GANG" in their to distinguish it as a Street organization from a Legitimate Ethnic Organization. Thats where the issue should be made, Who is defining these Groups of people as Gangs and under what vices can they clean up and change into a Legitimate Enterprise and help better the community, rather being moved out and forced to set up shop elsewhere, Which would make San Francisco Guilty of sending its citys problems spiraling into other regions and citys.
On top of that be aware that Chris Daly & Tom Ammiano both have future mayoral hopes and are Politcal Figures and get behind certain Hot Community issues and topics simply because of 'Good Politics.
Asian,Irish,Italian & even Gay/Homosexual organizations have Deep financial & political Intrest in city Hall and the board of supervisors....Or else you would see Gang Injuctions on the Catsro,Chinatown and north beach.
They Place the word "GANG" in their to distinguish it as a Street organization from a Legitimate Ethnic Organization. Thats where the issue should be made, Who is defining these Groups of people as Gangs and under what vices can they clean up and change into a Legitimate Enterprise and help better the community, rather being moved out and forced to set up shop elsewhere, Which would make San Francisco Guilty of sending its citys problems spiraling into other regions and citys.
because, you have to speak positive into shit, flyers being handed around calling it the hood, youngsters in the neighborhood seeing it, thinkin its cool to call the shit a hood, then hear what happens in hoods and hops on some bangin shit.
and i dont think that there is a way to get rid of the gang problems, with people still thinkin their in a hood and even showing up to this shit lookin like they from a 96 rap video even to this event. and someone mentioned there needs to be more education more affordable housing and all that. lol. its alot deeper than you think. look at it this way for one. poor people get on welfare and what not, and do not have to pay taxes. well the schools are funded by tax money and such, so its a big cycle of no one has money so they cant spread it around. as far as jobs, there are always jobs, just no one wants 8$ an hour when they can go be pimps or hustlers. there needs to be programs that deal with the youngsters and makes them more aware of how gang life is wrong, but catch um at a young age like 7 or before. at around 12 start getting them info on how to go out and get a job when they come of age. the problem is with whats glorified. like dude mentioned, even your fliers seem to glorify "hoods" in a sense
and i dont think that there is a way to get rid of the gang problems, with people still thinkin their in a hood and even showing up to this shit lookin like they from a 96 rap video even to this event. and someone mentioned there needs to be more education more affordable housing and all that. lol. its alot deeper than you think. look at it this way for one. poor people get on welfare and what not, and do not have to pay taxes. well the schools are funded by tax money and such, so its a big cycle of no one has money so they cant spread it around. as far as jobs, there are always jobs, just no one wants 8$ an hour when they can go be pimps or hustlers. there needs to be programs that deal with the youngsters and makes them more aware of how gang life is wrong, but catch um at a young age like 7 or before. at around 12 start getting them info on how to go out and get a job when they come of age. the problem is with whats glorified. like dude mentioned, even your fliers seem to glorify "hoods" in a sense
Yea Ive been following this topic since when it first came down and have attended Numerous Hearings at city hall & townhall meetings in Oakdale concerning this and the Asbestoses Exposure in the Oakdale Neighborhood,Which is one of the Initial reasons the city Hit Oakdale First,Cause the people in the community have a Class Action Law suit going foward.
What Kind of Legislation are Your Pushing And have you Presented it in the State Capital in Sacramento Yet?
Yea I know of people personally who have been doing this in the Bayveiw,hp,fillmore Neighborhoods for monthes Informing the people going door to door.
What Kind of Legislation are Your Pushing And have you Presented it in the State Capital in Sacramento Yet?
Yea I know of people personally who have been doing this in the Bayveiw,hp,fillmore Neighborhoods for monthes Informing the people going door to door.
I think the problems all boil down to PRIDE as well. Face it, us black and brown people have a lot of it. Just look how we show it, display it in our cars by stickers, our clothing, music,etc...etc... Yeah it's cool to have pride in your culture, but you got to know how to tone it down I think, otherwise I feel that pride can grow into things like creating gangs and offending others. It's almost like Nationalism or Communism. The majority of Mexicanos I know, are too prideful and stubborn to do better. Too stubborn to go out and get an education, too stubborn to look for jobs or get better ones. We're afraid to succeed, we conform to what we have and unforunately for most of us that's very little. For example, my pops, hes a hard ass worker and has been offered a supervisor position plenty of times because he's been in the city for over 20 years, but he says "Naaahh" because he simply doesn't care to do a "white man's" job, paperwork, and I also think because he feels he lacks the education, he's content being a laborer burning his neck in the sun. That's cool I guess, whatever makes you happy, but then again, so many of us black/brown people have the same mindset so we all end up being on the same lower levels. It's fucked up because we feel we can just leave it all up to the white man to run our lives.
I wouldn't be able to take these guys seriously.
he needs to cover his tracks
and wtf is on the other dudes head?
this woman looks twacked out
the white guy in the back looks like shaggy from scooby doo wandered into the court house high on lsd
the black dude looks like he belongs on judge judy
lol i seriously doubt that irish gangs are a problem for the city. the irish and italian street gangs are long gone from SF. my grandfather used to run that shit (italian) but that was before the depression. almost all of the irish and italian families moved to the suburbs a generation ago
it was a lot different back then though. they never fucked with guns. also all of them were kids. the gangs now days have older dudes, which i think is pretty lame
it was a lot different back then though. they never fucked with guns. also all of them were kids. the gangs now days have older dudes, which i think is pretty lame
Seriously, if you are a square bear, 9 to 5, person raising a family in a poor community, then you actually WANT gang injunctions.
And hardly anyone is sticking up for you, but the law. Guaran - fucking - teed there are more of those folks in the "hood" than gang members. And, nobody is holding any rallies for them. Someone steals your car, spray paints on your wall in ugly ass letters, sells dope right where your kids play? Oh fucking well - "This is the hood - that's how its always gonna be" type shit.
It isn't fair to those folks either. They too, are part of the community and need to have their rights protected.
I have a brother in law who's a cop in Fresno on gang detail, and I got into this very conversation with him recently. While I feel the way I stated above, I also feel that gang members/affiliates do deserve to have their rights protected also.
He said that there are already 9 points of criteria to be considered a gang member, and you only have to fit 3. As long as there is some type of legal criteria, I'm for it. If there's none, that's complete bullshit, and should easily be defeated in court. I also asked about affiliates, who technically aren't part of the gang. He said, if you're willing to wear the outfit and do crimes in support of the gang, then legally you should be considered a gang member.
I agree with all of it.
I don't find it necessary or even practical to think about eliminating gangs. I also don't find it logical that eliminating poverty (a highly unrealistic goal) will necessarily end the need for gangs. At this point, people will also want to belong and be a part of something. Having money in your pocket isn't going to change that, now is it?
And hardly anyone is sticking up for you, but the law. Guaran - fucking - teed there are more of those folks in the "hood" than gang members. And, nobody is holding any rallies for them. Someone steals your car, spray paints on your wall in ugly ass letters, sells dope right where your kids play? Oh fucking well - "This is the hood - that's how its always gonna be" type shit.
It isn't fair to those folks either. They too, are part of the community and need to have their rights protected.
I have a brother in law who's a cop in Fresno on gang detail, and I got into this very conversation with him recently. While I feel the way I stated above, I also feel that gang members/affiliates do deserve to have their rights protected also.
He said that there are already 9 points of criteria to be considered a gang member, and you only have to fit 3. As long as there is some type of legal criteria, I'm for it. If there's none, that's complete bullshit, and should easily be defeated in court. I also asked about affiliates, who technically aren't part of the gang. He said, if you're willing to wear the outfit and do crimes in support of the gang, then legally you should be considered a gang member.
I agree with all of it.
I don't find it necessary or even practical to think about eliminating gangs. I also don't find it logical that eliminating poverty (a highly unrealistic goal) will necessarily end the need for gangs. At this point, people will also want to belong and be a part of something. Having money in your pocket isn't going to change that, now is it?
I can kinda feel that point about dressing casual. It's like in ghettos a lot of people really want to dress the part for whatever reason. You're basically asking for unwanted attention from police and narcs. I always have dressed in a way where you can't tell what's up with me by just seeing my clothing. It's also because I have my own sense of style but the other part of the reason is Im not gonna walk around looking like Im about to steal your hubcaps.
That comment about haircuts is going too far in my opinion. A fade is a neat, presentable hairsyle. A person can even rock cornrows, or dreadlocks in a neat professional style. I think you've gone a lil overboard in order to conform.
About the injuctions I have mixed thoughts about it. I live in the Mission and Im tired of seeing kids dead in the street.
That comment about haircuts is going too far in my opinion. A fade is a neat, presentable hairsyle. A person can even rock cornrows, or dreadlocks in a neat professional style. I think you've gone a lil overboard in order to conform.
About the injuctions I have mixed thoughts about it. I live in the Mission and Im tired of seeing kids dead in the street.
You have a point. But, having money, a decent job will certainly help in making you a happier person. Or atleast it should help keep you BUSY away from shit like gangs. "Money doesn't bring happiness" is complete bull$hit. Give me good money, I'll take vacations, eat better, shop for better clothing, drive a better car, live in a better pad, better community where I don't have to worry about people jacking or vandalism, no need to worry about bills, see the doctor, get my teeth cleaned, the list goes on. That's just an example of course, not neccessarily what I personally want. I wouldn't mind the vacations though, explore the world a bit. Money can HELP ease financial burdens. Don't tell me that won't make you happy if you don't have to worry about those burdens. That's the problem in these "hoods," the families living among them just don't have nothing. That's why most whites don't have as much problems, they have the money, the money to eat properly, vacation, live in good areas, good education,etc....
well, im glad im becoming a teacher, im fluent in spanish and english.
thats where this all starts...fromt he bottom..and thats education
i think more and more people need to look into teaching as a career.
it ain';t that hard, really, aslong as you got over 3.0 in high school you can go to san jose state, adn if you don;t got that, then just go to community college, sign a contract to transfer, they got some good teaching programs.
but yeah i agree with ya ladytragik, and i didn't know about this or i probably would have went.
i need to keep myself updated.
thats where this all starts...fromt he bottom..and thats education
i think more and more people need to look into teaching as a career.
it ain';t that hard, really, aslong as you got over 3.0 in high school you can go to san jose state, adn if you don;t got that, then just go to community college, sign a contract to transfer, they got some good teaching programs.
but yeah i agree with ya ladytragik, and i didn't know about this or i probably would have went.
i need to keep myself updated.