WTF HOW CAN YOU TELL THE DIFERENCE THEY ALSO WEAR RED AND CLAIM 14 RIGHT? AND THIS WHOLE TIME I THOUGHT FRESNO WAS ALL NORTE I DIDNT EVEN KNOW THERE WAS SURENOS THERE AND I TOUGHT THE BULLDOGGS WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST NORTE GANGS THEY HAD, IS IT THE SAME THING AS SUR AND MARAVILLAS?