Diaz vs Malinaggi (Streaming Link inside)
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Paulie should have gotten a ud in this fight. He controlled the action while being pressed the whole night. Do you know how hard that had to be. Do you know how much energy he had to exert holding Juan Diaz at bay while being pressured? The average fighter would have folded under that type of pressure. He deserves the rematch and I don't see Juan being able to fight any different and outside of Houston that spells a loss.
And the judge who scored this fight 118-110 needs to be banned from boxing and should be forced to see an eye doctor immediately
And the judge who scored this fight 118-110 needs to be banned from boxing and should be forced to see an eye doctor immediately
Van Hoy Responds To Diaz v. Malignaggi Allegations
By Mark Vester
Gale Van Hoy, the Texas judge in the center of the Paulie Malignaggi-Juan Diaz controversy, has spoken out. Several days before the fight, Malignaggi blasted Golden Boy Promotions for selecting Van Hoy as a judge for the fight. Malignaggi said Van Hoy was very pro-Texas judge and would likely score the fight by a huge margin for Diaz. When the fight was over on Saturday at the Toyota Center, Malignaggi was right. Van Hoy's score was 118-110 in favor of Diaz, a score so bad that even Oscar De La Hoya, Diaz's promoter, threw the judge under the bus. The majority of the viewing audience saw Malignaggi as the winner.
Van Hoy spoke on the record with Mike Marley of The Examiner. He admits that he could have made an error but at the same time he denied all of the allegations that pose him as a hometown judge. He said Malignaggi has a good jab, though the lack of power in the jab played a role in his scoring of the fight.
“I never claimed to be perfect but I’m not a hometown judge. I’ve done 65 or so world title fights. I’ve done fights involving Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather and Kostya Tszyu. I did a Paulie fight in Little Rock, an eight rounder and I gave Paulie six or seven rounds. He doesn’t remember or mention that,” Van Hoy said.
“I am not infallible but this is how I saw it. Maybe, in retrospect, I was wide in my score, maybe I was off by a round or two. Paulie’s got a good jab but it kept hitting Juan’s gloves. There was not enough power in those jab.”
That has to be the worse excuse for scoring a fight. He's trying to apologize and justify his ignorance at the same time. He's basically saying that boxing is only a sport for power punchers (Which Juan Diaz is far from), which totally discredits the work Paulie did in the fight. Paulie didn't run in this fight. He didn't hold and tie up for an entire fight. He simply jabbed and circled Diaz for 12 rounds. When he decided to catch his breath in a few rounds where he layed on the ropes, those were the only times Juan was able to hit him with clean punching. Van Hoy is clearly showing his bias for Paulie by saying he has a good jab, but it lacks power. So he is obviously overlooking the accuracy and amount of times he hit Juan at will. He should be shamed of himself.
I'll say this, you can't take anything away from Juan Diaz, he came out and fought a courageous fight. He was gettin peppered, and he was willing to go through the fire to keep this a close fight. he never lost his focus. He took a lot of blows to land his power shots. If he was heavier handed, he probably could have changed the fight with the body punching. And Paulie didn't do himself any favors antagonizing the crowd and taunting Juan in his home town. But Paulie has been hit by bigger punches from more powerful fighters such as Cotto, so he was able to absorb Juan's punches and keep up a fast pace even though he was being pressured.
As Juan fights a higher level of opponent, he's gonna keep getting hit more and more which means he's gonna have a few more L's on his belt due to his lack of power in his punches. His style of fighting may be good for the audience, but it won't be good for his health or career. He's a pressure fighter, which means he only fights one way and that's coming right at you, and when he fights the type of fighters with better boxing skills, who can also absorb his punches and fire back at him, he's gonna start getting hurt more frequently and possibly get knocked out in the process ala the Marquez fight. Just my 2 cents
As Juan fights a higher level of opponent, he's gonna keep getting hit more and more which means he's gonna have a few more L's on his belt due to his lack of power in his punches. His style of fighting may be good for the audience, but it won't be good for his health or career. He's a pressure fighter, which means he only fights one way and that's coming right at you, and when he fights the type of fighters with better boxing skills, who can also absorb his punches and fire back at him, he's gonna start getting hurt more frequently and possibly get knocked out in the process ala the Marquez fight. Just my 2 cents
Juan Diaz by Unanimous Decision over Paulie Malignaggi - Robbery at Toyota Center!
By Frank Gonzalez Jr. exclusive to Doghouse Boxing (Aug 23, 2009)
Robbery, Saturday night in Houston. Light Welterweight contender/prospect and former titlist, Juan Diaz (35-2, 17 KO’s) enjoyed the spotlight, a one sided supportive crowd and favorable officiating when he faced Paulie Malignaggi (26-3, 5 KO’s) at the Toyota Center . Toyota may make a good car but the Judges at the Toyota Center made the winner into the loser in a fight that wasn’t all that hard to score. Boxing is about hitting and not being hit. There are criteria for scoring, which includes clean, effective punching, ring generalship and defense. Malignaggi did better in all three areas in more of the rounds from what I saw but as expected, he wouldn’t get a fair shake in Houston
against Juan Diaz, and he didn’t.
Paulie Malignaggi brought his ‘A game’ to Houston, he out boxed Diaz, making him miss often while dictating the tempo with his jab and little pity pat punches that don’t hurt, but do score points. But in boxing, the scoring of points often depends on things conspired outside of the ring. Malignaggi accounted for the most damage done in this fight, opening a nasty cut over Diaz left eye with his jab, which was the story of this fight. He used it effectively throughout the fight, tagging Diaz repeatedly but since they aren’t hard shots, maybe the Judges didn’t notice them. Malignaggi sustained no noticeable damage after 12 rounds were in the books. But it didn’t matter what Malignaggi had done, short of a knockout…the books were cooked.
Both guys came into this fight having lost two of their last three, both against top fighters. Diaz and Malignaggi were in the same boat. Only this boat was in Houston and though Paulie Malignaggi was on it, everything was rigged for him to sink. The ring was small sized, favoring the aggressive Diaz and the Judges included, Gale Van Hoy and Raul Caiz, two men Malignaggi openly criticized as being stooges for Golden Boy Promotions. That, with Oscar and his boys sitting by ringside. Insurance company, Lawrence Cole, was the referee.
Both needed this win to prevent the slippage in the non existent rankings, that shift and change depending on which way the money blows, for reasons unexplained or no reason at all. The wrong guy got the win Saturday night and boxing again demonstrates exactly why it is probably the most ignored sport in this era.
The fight started with Malignaggi showing great speed and popping his jab repeatedly. Diaz looked like a baby bull in a china shop, only missing a lot. Diaz did land one punch, just after the bell; that opened a cut near Paulie’s left eye. I thought Malignaggi easily out boxed Diaz to win the first.
But the tides turned in the second round, when Diaz charged forward and managed to land a few shots in spots and forced Malignaggi to run. This was one of Diaz’ best rounds as he landed the cleaner shots and forced Paulie to play keep away. With about five seconds left, Malignaggi landed a right that opened a cut over Diaz’ left eye. His corner immediately yelled, “Head butt!” But even referee, Lawrence Cole missed that head butt—since there was no head butt. Diaz won the second and went on to win the third round by being aggressive and catching Malignaggi with some good shots that did more damage than what was coming back.
The fourth round was even on my card though because both had good moments in turn and did about as much, with Malignaggi winning the jabbing contest and Diaz, using his strength to pressure Malignaggi into running. But Malignaggi popping that jab while he was running and scoring points escaped the Judges notice.
Malignaggi took over with superior mobility and boxing skills from round five through six but Diaz took over the momentum in the seventh, landing a few good shots to the body and fighting hard with blood dripping into his eye from the cut.
The momentum shifted again towards Malignaggi in rounds eight, nine, ten and eleven as he simply out boxed and landed more than Diaz, who was getting sloppier by the moment as the final round approached.
In the final round, Malignaggi opened with a left hook and Diaz answered with a left, right combo. Malignaggi jabbed his way around the desperate Diaz. Diaz landed a left hook to the body that had to hurt, followed by a left to the face. Malignaggi out boxed him in the final moments, as the frustrated Diaz was unable to close the show. But it wouldn’t matter.
The official scores were, Gale Van Hoy- 118-110 for Diaz.
Raul Caiz had it; 115-113 for Diaz and Sutherland had it 116-112 for Diaz. Diaz was named the winner by Unanimous Decision. Congratulations to Juan Diaz for having powerful people behind him.
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In the end, after the scores, Diaz celebrated and Malignaggi looked like a man who just got robbed. It’s a look you see often when visiting fighters go to Texas to fight Diaz or Rocky Juarez.
During the post fight interview, Diaz credited Malignaggi for being a great fighter and mentioned how he fought well even though he suffered a nasty cut over his eye. He said he’d like a rematch with Juan Manual Marquez, regardless the outcome vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr. He asked the fans to give Malignaggi a round of applause, which drew a mixed reaction of cheers and jeers from the crowd.
When Malignaggi was interviewed, he wasn’t shy about expressing his feelings. He asked the interviewer, Max Kellerman, how HBO scored the fight and Kellerman said Harold Lederman scored it seven rounds to five in favor of Malignaggi. Then Malignaggi said, “At least someone got the score right.”
Malignaggi continued…I don’t know why Houston is booing me? I have nothing against you guys, you’re good fans, and you make a lot of noise. I don’t blame the crowd but I had to go through a lot of politics. It’s ridiculous! Raul Caiz is Golden Boy’s gofer—and HE had the closest scorecard. This state never gives a fair shake to anyone coming to fight here.”
Max posed another question, starting with “Assuming you don’t get a rematch with Diaz…” and Malignaggi cut him off saying, “You KNOW I won’t get a rematch! Boxing is full of shit! Diaz can call out Marquez or Mayweather but I don’t have that luxury because I’m just an ‘opponent’ after losing this fight. Congratulations Houston , you have a great warrior champion but I won this fight.”
By Frank Gonzalez Jr. exclusive to Doghouse Boxing (Aug 23, 2009)
Robbery, Saturday night in Houston. Light Welterweight contender/prospect and former titlist, Juan Diaz (35-2, 17 KO’s) enjoyed the spotlight, a one sided supportive crowd and favorable officiating when he faced Paulie Malignaggi (26-3, 5 KO’s) at the Toyota Center . Toyota may make a good car but the Judges at the Toyota Center made the winner into the loser in a fight that wasn’t all that hard to score. Boxing is about hitting and not being hit. There are criteria for scoring, which includes clean, effective punching, ring generalship and defense. Malignaggi did better in all three areas in more of the rounds from what I saw but as expected, he wouldn’t get a fair shake in Houston
against Juan Diaz, and he didn’t.
Paulie Malignaggi brought his ‘A game’ to Houston, he out boxed Diaz, making him miss often while dictating the tempo with his jab and little pity pat punches that don’t hurt, but do score points. But in boxing, the scoring of points often depends on things conspired outside of the ring. Malignaggi accounted for the most damage done in this fight, opening a nasty cut over Diaz left eye with his jab, which was the story of this fight. He used it effectively throughout the fight, tagging Diaz repeatedly but since they aren’t hard shots, maybe the Judges didn’t notice them. Malignaggi sustained no noticeable damage after 12 rounds were in the books. But it didn’t matter what Malignaggi had done, short of a knockout…the books were cooked.
Both guys came into this fight having lost two of their last three, both against top fighters. Diaz and Malignaggi were in the same boat. Only this boat was in Houston and though Paulie Malignaggi was on it, everything was rigged for him to sink. The ring was small sized, favoring the aggressive Diaz and the Judges included, Gale Van Hoy and Raul Caiz, two men Malignaggi openly criticized as being stooges for Golden Boy Promotions. That, with Oscar and his boys sitting by ringside. Insurance company, Lawrence Cole, was the referee.
Both needed this win to prevent the slippage in the non existent rankings, that shift and change depending on which way the money blows, for reasons unexplained or no reason at all. The wrong guy got the win Saturday night and boxing again demonstrates exactly why it is probably the most ignored sport in this era.
The fight started with Malignaggi showing great speed and popping his jab repeatedly. Diaz looked like a baby bull in a china shop, only missing a lot. Diaz did land one punch, just after the bell; that opened a cut near Paulie’s left eye. I thought Malignaggi easily out boxed Diaz to win the first.
But the tides turned in the second round, when Diaz charged forward and managed to land a few shots in spots and forced Malignaggi to run. This was one of Diaz’ best rounds as he landed the cleaner shots and forced Paulie to play keep away. With about five seconds left, Malignaggi landed a right that opened a cut over Diaz’ left eye. His corner immediately yelled, “Head butt!” But even referee, Lawrence Cole missed that head butt—since there was no head butt. Diaz won the second and went on to win the third round by being aggressive and catching Malignaggi with some good shots that did more damage than what was coming back.
The fourth round was even on my card though because both had good moments in turn and did about as much, with Malignaggi winning the jabbing contest and Diaz, using his strength to pressure Malignaggi into running. But Malignaggi popping that jab while he was running and scoring points escaped the Judges notice.
Malignaggi took over with superior mobility and boxing skills from round five through six but Diaz took over the momentum in the seventh, landing a few good shots to the body and fighting hard with blood dripping into his eye from the cut.
The momentum shifted again towards Malignaggi in rounds eight, nine, ten and eleven as he simply out boxed and landed more than Diaz, who was getting sloppier by the moment as the final round approached.
In the final round, Malignaggi opened with a left hook and Diaz answered with a left, right combo. Malignaggi jabbed his way around the desperate Diaz. Diaz landed a left hook to the body that had to hurt, followed by a left to the face. Malignaggi out boxed him in the final moments, as the frustrated Diaz was unable to close the show. But it wouldn’t matter.
The official scores were, Gale Van Hoy- 118-110 for Diaz.
Raul Caiz had it; 115-113 for Diaz and Sutherland had it 116-112 for Diaz. Diaz was named the winner by Unanimous Decision. Congratulations to Juan Diaz for having powerful people behind him.
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In the end, after the scores, Diaz celebrated and Malignaggi looked like a man who just got robbed. It’s a look you see often when visiting fighters go to Texas to fight Diaz or Rocky Juarez.
During the post fight interview, Diaz credited Malignaggi for being a great fighter and mentioned how he fought well even though he suffered a nasty cut over his eye. He said he’d like a rematch with Juan Manual Marquez, regardless the outcome vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr. He asked the fans to give Malignaggi a round of applause, which drew a mixed reaction of cheers and jeers from the crowd.
When Malignaggi was interviewed, he wasn’t shy about expressing his feelings. He asked the interviewer, Max Kellerman, how HBO scored the fight and Kellerman said Harold Lederman scored it seven rounds to five in favor of Malignaggi. Then Malignaggi said, “At least someone got the score right.”
Malignaggi continued…I don’t know why Houston is booing me? I have nothing against you guys, you’re good fans, and you make a lot of noise. I don’t blame the crowd but I had to go through a lot of politics. It’s ridiculous! Raul Caiz is Golden Boy’s gofer—and HE had the closest scorecard. This state never gives a fair shake to anyone coming to fight here.”
Max posed another question, starting with “Assuming you don’t get a rematch with Diaz…” and Malignaggi cut him off saying, “You KNOW I won’t get a rematch! Boxing is full of shit! Diaz can call out Marquez or Mayweather but I don’t have that luxury because I’m just an ‘opponent’ after losing this fight. Congratulations Houston , you have a great warrior champion but I won this fight.”
Redrum, I went back and fixed my quote. My bad. I meant to say Paulie got completely robbed, as in he won the fight. I respect Diaz, and thought he would win, but had to admit he got outboxed. The fact he celebrated in the ring as if he won was a complete sham. But people lie to themselves everyday, so why would he be any different.
Yeah, I see that now. If it was a hard fought fight, and close, and maybe Paulie's my fighter (yeah, right), I could see being upset that he lost. And people would cry foul. He was robbed. Hometown decision. Blah blah blah...but it wasn't close, at least to me. Earlier in the day, I told my wife that Paulie would need a knockout to beat Diaz, because there was no way an even semi-close decision was going Paulie's way. Diaz was going to fight, like he always does, and I picked him to win on points, probably easily, because of the pressure. He wasn't going to knock Paulie out, no way, but he's beat him down over the course of the fight and win by 4 or so rounds.
I was wrong, but man...that was just foul. Like the Juarez/John fight in Houston. I'm getting to the point where I hate boxing in Houston.
I felt Marquez needed to knock out Diaz, too...thankfully, he did, and was it niiice.
I was wrong, but man...that was just foul. Like the Juarez/John fight in Houston. I'm getting to the point where I hate boxing in Houston.
I felt Marquez needed to knock out Diaz, too...thankfully, he did, and was it niiice.