Denver Vs Seattle

Gringo Starr · Dec 5, 2006

satherp5 said:

That depends on how you look at it. If our offense can only put our kicker in position to kick FG's and not TD's, that can be the difference between losing and winning a game. What if we score 9 instead of 21 and the other team scored 20?We lost, not becuase of our kicker, but becuase of our QB and WR.

Yes, Seattle is an average team. Who have they blown out this year? No one. The defense is ranked 18th overall, 18th in run defense and 17th in pass defense and 21st in points allowed. Seattle is -3 in take/giveaways, good for 9th in the NFC and tied for 13th in the league, and thats only becuase there is 4 teams at 0 and 3 others with -3. The only thing going for us is sacks, in which were 3rd in the NFL. Almost a 3rd of those came in one game. Seattles offense is 21st overall. But youre right, these are numbers of a GOOD team, my bad.

Seattle is inconsistent and has defensive issues. Ill give the offense a break becuase injuries are a major factor. As far as the defense though, I can not find a valid reason as to WHY they are much poorer than last year. Oh wait, here are some. They are essentially the SAME unit PLUS Julian Peterson. LeRoy Hill is not having a great year like he did last year. Boulware got pulled due to poor judegement and our front 4 is getting beat the fuck up. Where is the speed they kept yapping about that worked so well for us? Looks like all the other teams scouted the shit out of that in the off-season. Not to mention, our tackling abilities as a unit have been utterly atrocious. I will say only allowing 4 RB's to go over 100 yards isnt that bad. However, when we stop the run, our secondary is gettin shredded. What gives?

If you people REALLY think that Seattle can manuever THROUGH the playoffs and make it to a Superbowl and WIN with these issues, you are all terrible at analyzing a team.

I luv the Hawks, but im not delusional. It is what it is, and what it is, is an above average team on a good Sunday that can stay consistant.

And even if we do, the AFC, once AGAIN, is gonna be the favorite. Too many teams that are good over there.

BTW, heres another cute little tidbit for yall. Hasselback has had the biggest drop in passer rating in back-to-back years....ever. Over 20 points.

T-Rip · Dec 5, 2006

BRONCOS ARE THROWING THERE SEASON AWAY BY STARTING CUTLER OVER PLUMMER AND SEATTLE IS NO WHERE NEAR THE SAME TEAM THEY WERE LAST YEAR, THEY ARE SO LUCKY THEY ARE IN THE NFC WEST, IF THEY WERE STILL IN THE AFC WEST THEY WOULD DEFINITLY BE 4-8.

xpanther206 · Dec 5, 2006

Gringo Starr said:

FALSE STATEMENT: It's hard to garner even a sliver of credibility on an opinion when you can't get the facts straight.

thascary1 · Dec 5, 2006

xpanther206 said:

was he really that far off or are you trying to make a stance?

2 of the 4 were 50+, 1 was 38, the other was 42.

so yes 4 game winning kicks with the 1 of the kicks 42 not 50, but still he has had 4 game winning kicks.

Gringo Starr · Dec 5, 2006

xpanther206 said:

My bad, its 2. 54, 50. The others were from 38 and 42.

But what does that change? Nothing.

xpanther206 · Dec 5, 2006

Gringo Starr said:

It's credibility thing.

Let's make a wager. $100 on the Seahawks playing a playoff game in the 2nd round of the Playoffs. Whether that be by securing the #2 seed and doing so automatically, or by playing and winning in the 1st round, it doesn't matter.

Don't say you don't want to bet against your own team either, look at it as a win-win. Either the Hawks make a decent run or you get yourself $100 bones from a guy who thinks that you, not at all as a result of this but as a result of many other instances, are not a particularly sports savvy person.

You game?

Gringo Starr · Dec 5, 2006

xpanther206 said:

Becuase i was 8 yards off?Get the fuck outta here. Please.

See below.

For one, I dont bet, period. Gambling is retarded.

LOL.Im sorry, you think that IM not "sports savvy"?Please explain, in detail and EVIDENCE, why im not "sports savvy". My opinion is just as valid as you or anyone elses.

Maybe you oughta stick to baseball, my friend.

Sketchy B · Dec 5, 2006

xpanther206 said:

Wow -- that is no joke. Josh Brown for mayor!

Seriously, he should make the pro-bowl this year. Looked at the Seahawks page, and the dude's HS career was even more savv'ed out than that -- he hit a 61 yard FG in the state playoffs in high school! His personal best in the high jump in Track is nothing to scoff at either. Here's what seahawks.com says about his HS career:

Attended Foyil (Okla.) High. Played running back, safety, and served as the team’s punter and placekicker. Also returned punts and kickoffs. Hit on eight of 16 field goal attempts, with a career-long 61-yarder in the state playoffs in 1996. As a running back, he rushed for 1,891 yards and 51 touchdowns, playing eight-man football. Totaled 9,136 career all-purpose yards and 122 career touchdowns. As a senior, he earned first-team All-State honors. Four-year letterman in both football and track and earned three basketball letters. Two-time Class A state champion in the high jump, clearing a career-best of 6-8 at the state meet in both 1997 and 1998.

M BUTCHER 206 · Dec 5, 2006

^ yeah hes a savage but wait, he didnt cause that fumble? it looked like he grabbed it or hit it and it got loose then he chin checked dude and it dropped... anybody have a replay?

xpanther206 · Dec 5, 2006

Gringo Starr said:

1) Those 8 yards are in an area where success rates drop from over 70% to down around 50%. Those 8 yards are HUGE. If it was the 8 yards from 31 to 39, then that would be different. And besides when stating opinions the facts better be accurate so that your opinion is the only thing that can be addressed.

2) I respect that, I don't do it very often either. I just like to throw it out there as an option when I think somebody might be putting up a smokescreen.

3) We all have our opinions, that's why it's fun. Sometimes we're right, sometimes we're wrong (I for one, was positive Hutchinson would remain a Seahawk: WRONG).

That being said, there are certain things I consider very very fundamental to understanding sports, and if those things aren't understood then their viewpoint isn't really one that I'll consider when trying to make up my own mind:

A- Washington basketball not making the NCAA Tournament, when they were ranked #10 in the country late in the year. It wasn't an opinion on how good they were, it wasn't an evaluation of their team, it was a misunderstanding of the whole system. You were under the impression that either the automatic bids were the only way to get into the tournament or that a team ranked #10 in the country had to atleast win a few games in the Pac-10 Tournament to get a bid. That's just the kind of thing you explain to a little guy just learning about this stuff.

B - You had written about Nate Robinson going pro early and guessed that he wouldn't be ready, probably wouldn't be drafted in the first 3 rounds. The opinion on his skills is fine, I'm not even going to grill you for being wrong (he was drafted in the 1st round), that stuff can be hard to predict. It's once again, the misunderstanding of the system, the NBA Draft is only 2 rounds and has been for 17 years.

C - I do remember you being fairly adament, resulting on some conversations with the players, that Priest Holmes would don Seahawk blue this year. Obviously he isn't, we all know that, but that's fine. But believing that players have any say/knowledge of personnel decisions, I also would put that in the misunderstanding the system category, as the players don't have a much better idea than we do on what will happen in the off-season, and certainly don't have any say.

^^^All minor things to some, but I'm someone who can't get past those kinds of things. I guess my expectations are higher than some. So I suppose the theme behind my view of you and your knowledge of sports isn't so much who picked what game correctly or who predicted which free agent transaction, as much as it is what I would call sports fundamentals, general misunderstandings of the sytem, the kinds of things you have to master before throwing an opinion out there.

xpanther206 · Dec 5, 2006

And that $100 bet is on the table indefinitely, let me know if you change your mind...

Gringo Starr · Dec 5, 2006

xpanther206 said:

1) Those 8 yards are in an area where success rates drop from over 70% to down around 50%. Those 8 yards are HUGE. If it was the 8 yards from 31 to 39, then that would be different. And besides when stating opinions the facts better be accurate so that your opinion is the only thing that can be addressed.

2) I respect that, I don't do it very often either. I just like to throw it out there as an option when I think somebody might be putting up a smokescreen.

3) We all have our opinions, that's why it's fun. Sometimes we're right, sometimes we're wrong (I for one, was positive Hutchinson would remain a Seahawk: WRONG).

That being said, there are certain things I consider very very fundamental to understanding sports, and if those things aren't understood then their viewpoint isn't really one that I'll consider when trying to make up my own mind:

A- Washington basketball not making the NCAA Tournament, when they were ranked #10 in the country late in the year. It wasn't an opinion on how good they were, it wasn't an evaluation of their team, it was a misunderstanding of the whole system. You were under the impression that either the automatic bids were the only way to get into the tournament or that a team ranked #10 in the country had to atleast win a few games in the Pac-10 Tournament to get a bid. That's just the kind of thing you explain to a little guy just learning about this stuff.

B - You had written about Nate Robinson going pro early and guessed that he wouldn't be ready, probably wouldn't be drafted in the first 3 rounds. The opinion on his skills is fine, I'm not even going to grill you for being wrong (he was drafted in the 1st round), that stuff can be hard to predict. It's once again, the misunderstanding of the system, the NBA Draft is only 2 rounds and has been for 17 years.

C - I do remember you being fairly adament, resulting on some conversations with the players, that Priest Holmes would don Seahawk blue this year. Obviously he isn't, we all know that, but that's fine. But believing that players have any say/knowledge of personnel decisions, I also would put that in the misunderstanding the system category, as the players don't have a much better idea than we do on what will happen in the off-season, and certainly don't have any say.

^^^All minor things to some, but I'm someone who can't get past those kinds of things. I guess my expectations are higher than some. So I suppose the theme behind my view of you and your knowledge of sports isn't so much who picked what game correctly or who predicted which free agent transaction, as much as it is what I would call sports fundamentals, general misunderstandings of the sytem, the kinds of things you have to master before throwing an opinion out there.

Wow. Are you serious?8 yards is what that indicates?

The point is this:

JOSH BROWN HAS 4 GAME WINNING FG'S THIS YEAR

Wether it be from 1 yard or 100 yards, I dont give a fuck. Kapeesh?

A & B are about college basketball, which i even STATED i dont watch nor care about. I would rather watch NHL Hockey, than watch NCAA b-ball. But, i support ALL UW teams, even when the womens volleyball team won the national championship last year. With that being said, those 2 are irrelevent.

As for C, that is no different than you being positive that Hutch would NOT get traded now isnt it?So i guess you can just scratch that right the fuck off your list.

So please, miss me with your "im more superior than you at sports" wen you just happen to have more knowledge in ONE AREA: NCAA b-ball.

THe end.

Sketchy B · Dec 5, 2006

M BUTCHER 206 said:

The ball was coming out before JB got there, but he sure did make sure that dude wasn't going to recover it. He got like a 8 yard run at him and popped him real good on the chin -- yeah, lets see a replay!

xpanther206 · Dec 5, 2006

Gringo Starr said:

You forgot something.

What about the NBA, that's why you're back here on this board to begin with. How is the NBA Draft, the players selected but more importantly the structure, more of an NCAA Basketball topic than an NBA one?

xpanther206 · Dec 5, 2006

Sketchy B said:

Hell yeah I've searched around and found nothing, maybe the NFL Network Highlights (which you can purchase for $2.00) on iTunes might have one. I tried YouTube and they don't have it.

He got a lot of love from his teammates too, he ran to the sideline and back-bumped a few guys, it was off the heez.

2-0-Sixx · Dec 5, 2006

xpanther206 said:

1) Those 8 yards are in an area where success rates drop from over 70% to down around 50%. Those 8 yards are HUGE. If it was the 8 yards from 31 to 39, then that would be different. And besides when stating opinions the facts better be accurate so that your opinion is the only thing that can be addressed.

2) I respect that, I don't do it very often either. I just like to throw it out there as an option when I think somebody might be putting up a smokescreen.

3) We all have our opinions, that's why it's fun. Sometimes we're right, sometimes we're wrong (I for one, was positive Hutchinson would remain a Seahawk: WRONG).

That being said, there are certain things I consider very very fundamental to understanding sports, and if those things aren't understood then their viewpoint isn't really one that I'll consider when trying to make up my own mind:

A- Washington basketball not making the NCAA Tournament, when they were ranked #10 in the country late in the year. It wasn't an opinion on how good they were, it wasn't an evaluation of their team, it was a misunderstanding of the whole system. You were under the impression that either the automatic bids were the only way to get into the tournament or that a team ranked #10 in the country had to atleast win a few games in the Pac-10 Tournament to get a bid. That's just the kind of thing you explain to a little guy just learning about this stuff.

B - You had written about Nate Robinson going pro early and guessed that he wouldn't be ready, probably wouldn't be drafted in the first 3 rounds. The opinion on his skills is fine, I'm not even going to grill you for being wrong (he was drafted in the 1st round), that stuff can be hard to predict. It's once again, the misunderstanding of the system, the NBA Draft is only 2 rounds and has been for 17 years.

C - I do remember you being fairly adament, resulting on some conversations with the players, that Priest Holmes would don Seahawk blue this year. Obviously he isn't, we all know that, but that's fine. But believing that players have any say/knowledge of personnel decisions, I also would put that in the misunderstanding the system category, as the players don't have a much better idea than we do on what will happen in the off-season, and certainly don't have any say.

^^^All minor things to some, but I'm someone who can't get past those kinds of things. I guess my expectations are higher than some. So I suppose the theme behind my view of you and your knowledge of sports isn't so much who picked what game correctly or who predicted which free agent transaction, as much as it is what I would call sports fundamentals, general misunderstandings of the sytem, the kinds of things you have to master before throwing an opinion out there.

Damn, you broke shit down

You'd be great in the GOM forum!

Gringo Starr · Dec 5, 2006

xpanther206 said:

Becuase of me not liking NCAA ball, i have no idea who half the rookies are. Oh well, thats the small price you pay. Just like I like college football much better than NFL, so i know who is getting drafted where. On draft day, i get up at and watch from the first to the third round and watch the other 4 on Sunday. Thats my thing, i like to see where all the players i watched over the years and see where they end up so i can follow their progress.

Gringo Starr · Dec 5, 2006

2-0-Sixx said:

Please, dont encourage him or bow up his ego anymore than it needs to be.

xpanther206 · Dec 5, 2006

Gringo Starr said:

Damn that's a time commitment, I don't think many people who do all 7 rounds.

The Football draft is a hell of a lot more interesting than the NBA one, where places like NBADraft.net have that shit predicted perfectly leading up to draft day so you know what's going to happen.

Last year I snuck out of an academic conference to catch the first two rounds of the NFL Draft. Did my presentation and dipped even though I was supposed to stay a few more hours.

No 1st round pick for the Hawks this year but that's OK.

D'struction · Dec 5, 2006

anyways...I think we can agree that Seattle isnt as good as the other 8-4 teams. haha

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