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SR man dies after police struggle
Officers use pepper spray, stun guns after 911 call reporting bizarre behavior
Sunday, July 17, 2005

By JEREMY HAY
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT



A Santa Rosa man died Saturday after fighting with police officers who'd been called to his home because of his bizarre behavior and ended up using stun guns and pepper spray in efforts to subdue him, authorities said.

Carlos Casillas Fernandez, 31, died at Santa Rosa Memorial Hospital, where he was treated following the struggle involving five police officers, said Santa Rosa Police Lt. Ernesto Olivares.

The officers, and a sergeant who also responded to the incident on Blue Sky Lane in southwest Santa Rosa, are on paid administrative leave until further notice, Olivares said.

Under countywide regulations governing such law enforcement-related fatal incidents, a separate agency, in this case the Sonoma County Sheriff's Department, conducts a criminal investigation, he said.

Fernandez's family could not be reached Saturday either by telephone or at their home.

Fernandez's wife, Karla Fernandez, called 911 at about 1 a.m. Saturday, and said her husband "may be under the influence of drugs and had been acting paranoid and delusional during the past several days," Olivares said.

Officers Brian Sinigiani and Matt Sanchez - with 5 and 3½ years respectively on the force - found Carlos Fernandez on the front lawn when they arrived, Olivares said.

He refused to speak to them and went inside, Olivares said. The officers followed with the permission of Karla Fernandez, who was with the couple's 4-year-old son.

Carlos Fernandez was sweating and clenching his jaw and fists, Olivares said, and the officers, believing he was under the influence of drugs, checked his pulse and found it was abnormally fast.

"That's when things went sideways," Olivares said.

According to the preliminary investigation, Fernandez began to pull away from the officers and refused repeated commands to stop. He began to bite and kick as he tried to free himself and at one point grabbed one of the officer's portable radios, Olivares said.

The struggle went on for perhaps 10 minutes, Olivares said, and Sinigiani and Sanchez eventually tried to subdue Fernandez with stun guns and pepper spray.

Olivares said the officers also used a hold termed a carotid restraint - in which an arm is hooked around a suspect's neck to exert pressure on the carotid artery.

The Taser guns - which fire electrified probes - were used "multiple times," but it's not yet known how many times they were fired, Olivares said. The precise sequence in which officers used the various methods to try to control Fernandez is also not yet clear, he said.

Three more officers and a police sergeant arrived to help and joined the struggle, Olivares said. He said he didn't know yet whether they also had used Tasers and pepper spray.

As Fernandez was finally restrained, officers noticed he was having difficulty breathing, began CPR and also called for an ambulance.

On Saturday, neighbors said the Fernandezes had moved in sometime within the last six months and were not yet well known, but that they'd noticed no obvious signs of trouble. It is a neighborhood of large, mostly two-story homes built in the late 1990s.

The couple's son played with other children on the street, and they seemed "just a regular family," said Gary Silva.

"His buddies would drop him off after work and I'd wave to him," Silva said of Fernandez.

The other officers placed on leave are Bob St. Pierre, whose back was injured in the struggle, James Griffin and Dan Jones. Sgt. Gary Negri was also placed on leave, Olivares said.
 
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Dayum, how many ppl the pigs killed in the bay this year???

Ok you get called because somebody might be on drugs, so you SHOCK them and pepper spray them... wow, wtf kind of training did they receive???

"Hey cadets, if you ever find yourself facing a drunk/high person, make sure you go into HIS home and place YOUR hands upon him. If he moves away, tell him to stop then pepper spray and SHOCK him to give a nice jolt to his system"

WTF?? Sure, his wife let them in, but obviously the man was disoriented. Then they SHOCK him???? Unbelievable.
 

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Yeah I know it's HELLA easy to talk someone down who's on crank lol...

Funny thing is, had the cops done NOTHING, and dude hurt his wife or 4 year old kid, people would be bitchin about "Why da po-lice didn't do nuthin"
 

Nuttkase

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RAVAGE said:
yea,yea, you know i gatta proof read my shit B'4 I post it up Daym!
Yeah, yeah, maybe you should because you went back and edited your post and still spelled shocking the wrong way.

But maybe you went from typing sholing to shoking as comic relief. Otherwise just go with what I do and say you were drunk.

Nuttkace
 
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DJ Mark 7 said:
Yeah I know it's HELLA easy to talk someone down who's on crank lol...

Funny thing is, had the cops done NOTHING, and dude hurt his wife or 4 year old kid, people would be bitchin about "Why da po-lice didn't do nuthin"
good point yea, i dont know the whole story, but i do know the cops do get way out of hand with that kinda shit.

-heres a short version of a long story in santa rosa-
the cops tried to arrest a dad in front of his 2 kids (both 16, one handicapped in a wheelchair.) the dad ended up getting taken down by the cops so one of the kids started to run at a cop. he didnt even hit the cop and another cop stun guns him and beats him with the billy club. when his brother in tthe wheelchair sees that he started throwing rocks at the cop, so the cop ends up tazering him. they fuckin tazered a kid in a wheelchair...
 

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Nuttkase said:
Yeah, yeah, maybe you should because you went back and edited your post and still spelled shocking the wrong way.

But maybe you went from typing sholing to shoking as comic relief. Otherwise just go with what I do and say you were drunk.

Nuttkace
Oh yeah by the way I should have said I am being sarcastic about what I said. I am really drunk right now.

I meant it as to say that just for spelling a word a little wrong that we still got what Ravage was getting at.

LMFAO like I said I am fucked up and forgot that part.

Nuttkace
 
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"Officers in the police department do get training on dealing with people with mental illness and people with substance abuse," Olivares said. "In any type of encounter with somebody, the goal is to resolve it safely."

that statement is a joke in itself
 
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rose town ryda said:
good point yea, i dont know the whole story, but i do know the cops do get way out of hand with that kinda shit.

-heres a short version of a long story in santa rosa-
the cops tried to arrest a dad in front of his 2 kids (both 16, one handicapped in a wheelchair.) the dad ended up getting taken down by the cops so one of the kids started to run at a cop. he didnt even hit the cop and another cop stun guns him and beats him with the billy club. when his brother in tthe wheelchair sees that he started throwing rocks at the cop, so the cop ends up tazering him. they fuckin tazered a kid in a wheelchair...
Do you have a link???


@ MARK 7, Aye bro I aint saying it's easy to chop it up with somebody who's bugged out, but they didnt even KNOW if he was. His wife called because he's acting funny, im sure at that point she has enough common sense to get away from her husband with their kids nah mean?

All I'm saying is that this guy is disoriented, all he knows is some strangers entered his house and he doesn't want to talk to them. They could let him calm down a little before they start trying to grab him. All I'm saying is it wasn't smart to electrecute a guy who might be trippin