Darrius Heyward-Bey speaks
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Im not so upset about Heyward-Bey....i just think we could got much better value trading down to someone who wanted Crabtree.....even if we traded bacc to ten or something and got another picc plus Heyward-Bey i would be less confused about it....
but what the fucc was Al thinking with Michael Mitchell at the top of the second round??? we coulda passed on him probably for two or three more rounds and still picced him up......especially with William Moore still on tha board......I was seriously ready to set my TV on fire after that one
but what the fucc was Al thinking with Michael Mitchell at the top of the second round??? we coulda passed on him probably for two or three more rounds and still picced him up......especially with William Moore still on tha board......I was seriously ready to set my TV on fire after that one
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/162339-lets-be-fair-to-derrius-heyward-bey
Okay, so I cannot say I was not shocked and disappointed when the Raiders passed on Michael Crabtree. Sometimes I wonder if Al Davis is taking too much medication...or not enough.
In playing the devil's advocate though...here are some reasons why it made sense for the Raiders to select Derrius Heyward-Bey.
1). Bey's size and speed are quantifiable and unique. But can he catch?
2). Bey will pair with speedster Johnnie Lee Higgins in Oakland to form the fastest tandem in the NFL. Regardless of their hands, those two will be tough to cover but also demand attention because of their threat to go long.
That should open things up for Darren McFadden, Zach Miller and Michael Bush. Thus, by being able to truly stretch the field—that should also help the running game.
3). The Raiders were not the only teams to pass on Michael Crabtree. Seattle, Cleveland, Cincinnati and Jacksonville all did the same thing. It seems to me that many teams saw the same things in Crabtree that the Raiders did. Meanwhile, murmurs have flown that some in San Francisco weren't sold on Crabtree.
4). Crabtree is already known as a diva. A big reason why teams passed on him was because of his attitude. In hearing the interviews with Crabtree, I was not impressed by him. People compare Crabtree to Jerry Rice when I think the more accurate comparison is Terrell Owens. Probably a big-time receiver, but: Is he worth the trouble? Alternatively, the Niners have taken productive players from gimmicky colleges in the past and were burned for it, such as Alex Smith from Utah.
5). It seems to me that Derrius Heyward-Bey and Michael Crabtree are equals but opposites. Bey has better tools while Crabtree had better production. Problem is, Crabtree's production was at a non-NFL program, while he refused to prove his speed. I think you can make the case that Crabtree has just as many questions around him that Bey has.
It's easy to get tantalized by gimmicky college programs like Texas Tech. More often than not though, the skill players (quarterbacks, wide receivers) from gimmicky or over overschemed schools do not pan out (eg, USC, Utah and Florida).
Sometimes productive college players flop in the NFL, while the toolsy players pan-out. Other times, the toolsy players flop and the college production pans-out. I think it's just a matter of how hard the player works at the next level, the system and his attitude. For Crabtree, he'll be a lone gunman for the Niners and thus see more double-teams, while the combo of Heyward-Bey and Johnnie Lee Higgins in Oakland will be difficult to cover because if you double-team one -- the other has the speed to make the secondary pay. So we'll see.
6). I'm not convinced that the Raiders 'reached' for Derrius Heyward-Bey. Had they traded down, I think Bey would have been the first receiver selected, regardless.
The only other player at that spot that I truly liked was DT BJ Raji, because the Draft was deep at offensive-tackle, so it seemed wiser to select offensive-linemen in later rounds.
I'm not saying that Derrius Heyward-Bey will be a bad player or that he was a bad pick, but often times, the Al Davis draft strategy perplexes me. So we'll see.
7) Thus, the bottom line is, Michael Crabtree refused to prove his skills and wanted the tapes to do his talking. The problem with that was, the tapes are from a gimmicky program so it's hard to say what his production proved. Plus, he clearly has an attitude of self-pity. Like Terrell Owens.
So all I'm saying is, let's let the players prove which one is best.
Okay, so I cannot say I was not shocked and disappointed when the Raiders passed on Michael Crabtree. Sometimes I wonder if Al Davis is taking too much medication...or not enough.
In playing the devil's advocate though...here are some reasons why it made sense for the Raiders to select Derrius Heyward-Bey.
1). Bey's size and speed are quantifiable and unique. But can he catch?
2). Bey will pair with speedster Johnnie Lee Higgins in Oakland to form the fastest tandem in the NFL. Regardless of their hands, those two will be tough to cover but also demand attention because of their threat to go long.
That should open things up for Darren McFadden, Zach Miller and Michael Bush. Thus, by being able to truly stretch the field—that should also help the running game.
3). The Raiders were not the only teams to pass on Michael Crabtree. Seattle, Cleveland, Cincinnati and Jacksonville all did the same thing. It seems to me that many teams saw the same things in Crabtree that the Raiders did. Meanwhile, murmurs have flown that some in San Francisco weren't sold on Crabtree.
4). Crabtree is already known as a diva. A big reason why teams passed on him was because of his attitude. In hearing the interviews with Crabtree, I was not impressed by him. People compare Crabtree to Jerry Rice when I think the more accurate comparison is Terrell Owens. Probably a big-time receiver, but: Is he worth the trouble? Alternatively, the Niners have taken productive players from gimmicky colleges in the past and were burned for it, such as Alex Smith from Utah.
5). It seems to me that Derrius Heyward-Bey and Michael Crabtree are equals but opposites. Bey has better tools while Crabtree had better production. Problem is, Crabtree's production was at a non-NFL program, while he refused to prove his speed. I think you can make the case that Crabtree has just as many questions around him that Bey has.
It's easy to get tantalized by gimmicky college programs like Texas Tech. More often than not though, the skill players (quarterbacks, wide receivers) from gimmicky or over overschemed schools do not pan out (eg, USC, Utah and Florida).
Sometimes productive college players flop in the NFL, while the toolsy players pan-out. Other times, the toolsy players flop and the college production pans-out. I think it's just a matter of how hard the player works at the next level, the system and his attitude. For Crabtree, he'll be a lone gunman for the Niners and thus see more double-teams, while the combo of Heyward-Bey and Johnnie Lee Higgins in Oakland will be difficult to cover because if you double-team one -- the other has the speed to make the secondary pay. So we'll see.
6). I'm not convinced that the Raiders 'reached' for Derrius Heyward-Bey. Had they traded down, I think Bey would have been the first receiver selected, regardless.
The only other player at that spot that I truly liked was DT BJ Raji, because the Draft was deep at offensive-tackle, so it seemed wiser to select offensive-linemen in later rounds.
I'm not saying that Derrius Heyward-Bey will be a bad player or that he was a bad pick, but often times, the Al Davis draft strategy perplexes me. So we'll see.
7) Thus, the bottom line is, Michael Crabtree refused to prove his skills and wanted the tapes to do his talking. The problem with that was, the tapes are from a gimmicky program so it's hard to say what his production proved. Plus, he clearly has an attitude of self-pity. Like Terrell Owens.
So all I'm saying is, let's let the players prove which one is best.
The problem with that is Crabtree has surgery on his foot so its not like he "refused to prove his skills" he couldn't perform at his best so why try to go out there and 1) take a chance of hurting yourself again & 2) hurting your draft status by under performing.....
and there was only one team that i heard of that he rubbed the wrong way and that was the Browns....so all of a sudden we know he has an attitude problem from one interview???...People are making too many assumptions about Crabtree when the facts are that he's the only reciever ever to win the biletnikoff award twice.....
like i said I wish we would have either traded down if we really wanted Heyward-Bey or drafted BJ Raji.....but now we got DHB and i hope he does well....
and there was only one team that i heard of that he rubbed the wrong way and that was the Browns....so all of a sudden we know he has an attitude problem from one interview???...People are making too many assumptions about Crabtree when the facts are that he's the only reciever ever to win the biletnikoff award twice.....
like i said I wish we would have either traded down if we really wanted Heyward-Bey or drafted BJ Raji.....but now we got DHB and i hope he does well....
