Cleveland...Best Fans in the NFL!

[JLMACN]

just sayin though..

5000

 

[EDJ]

People were willing to buy the team...that wasn't the problem. The problem was that Modell was a fuckin' asshole and decided to move the team.

There is NOTHING the fans could do. Fans can only go and support the team...they don't have a say on the business side of things.

SHOULD OF gAVE CUZZ HIS STADIUM. THERE WAS SOMETHIN' YAW COULD OF DID BUT YAW PRIDE COST YAW.

They got a new team by working out a deal with Modell and the league. We couldn't stop him from moving the team, so they gave us the rights to an expansion team.

I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. BUT LIKE I SAID, "SHOULD OF gAVE CUZZ HIS STADIUM. THERE WAS SOMETHIN' YAW COULD OF DID BUT YAW PRIDE COST YAW."

In actuality...it's what you call the team. I REALLY don't see what is so hard to understand about that.

I UNDA-STAND IT CLEARLY. I JUST KNOW WE NEVA LOST OUR TEAM.

What do you call yourself? You call yourself EDJ...you don't call yourself a man who lives in Denver.

I COULD IF I WANTED TOO. BUT OTHA PEOPLE DONE CALLED ME A MILLION AND ONE THANgS. AND I gOT A FEW ALIASES.

It's the SAME CITY...with the SAME NAME...SAME COLORS...SAME EVERYTHING...why should there be no more legacy?

CAUSE YOU LOST YOUR TEAM, AND DIDN'T ACCOMODATE THE OWNERS DEMANDS.

Is Portis still a Bronco? NO...he's a Redskin now...but by your logic he still a Bronco cause he used to play for Denver.

YUP, CAN'T DENY WHERE HE gOT FAMOUS AND WHERE HE gOT HIS gAME FROM.

I know what I said...I was being more specific this time. I DID NOT say "NEVA" had a team. I said a city that "didn't even have a team" (which they didn't). So I'm adding AT THAT TIME.

You know what I meant...stop nit-pickin' my shit.

LOL. JUST POINTIN' IT OUT.

I am looking at it in a factual and realistic way. YOU are the one who is not.

HOW AM I NOT? YOU SAID YOU UNDA-STAND BUT YOU AIN'T LOOKIN' AT IT THAT WAY. AND THAT WAY IS REALISTIC. SO IN ACTUALITY, YOU AIN'T LOOKIN' AT IT THAT WAY EVEN THOUgH YOU gET MY POINT. WHAT'S THERE TO BULLSHIT?

When you see the Browns and Ravens on TV...it doesn't say "Expansion team from '99", or "Old Browns".

CAUSE THEY gOIN' OFF THE NAME AND WHAT THE OWNERS MARKET THEM AS. AIN'T gOT SHIT TO WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.

Yes...we all know what happened...but to still call them that is just stupid.

LOL. YOU JUST A BROWNS FAN THAT CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED AND TRYIN' TO SWEEP IT UNDA THE RUg. I CALL THEM HOW I SEE IT. THE RAVENS WILL ALWAYS BE THE OLD BROWNS TO ME AND CAN'T NOBODY TELL ME DIFFERENT OR DISPUTE THAT FACT. MAYBE TIME WILL HEAL THAT WOUND, BUT I AIN'T FORgOTTEN.

That is reality...what in the hell are you talking about?

TRUTH. REALITY IS THAT THE RAVENS ARE THE OLD BROWNS AND THE BROWNS FROM TODAY ARE A 99' EXPANSION TEAM. ACTUALITY IS THAT THE RAVENS ARE THE RAVENS FROM BALTIMORE AND THE BROWNS ARE THE BROWNS FROM CLEVELAND. THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKIN' ABOUT.

Again...what do you call Clinton Portis? He's a Washington Redskin. He's not a Denver Bronco anymore.

NO SHIT. HE AN EX BRONCO.

But by your lame logic...fans should be calling him an old Denver Bronco instead of a Redskin.

NO, CORRECTION, EX BRONCO. BUT YOU CAN CALL HIM WHAT YOU WANT. I WOULDN'T MIND PEOPLE REFERRIN' TO HIM AS AN EX BRONCO.

The CITY couldn't keep the team...you can't blame that on the FANS. Fans show up to the games and buy shit to support their team...that's all they can do.

BULLSHIT. LIKE I SAID, "SHOULD OF gAVE CUZZ HIS STADIUM. THERE WAS SOMETHIN' YAW COULD OF DID BUT YAW PRIDE COST YAW."

I'm not attempting to belittle you...that's not my intention anyway. But you DON'T know what you are talking about.

YES I DO. IF I DIDN'T, THEN YOU WOULD OF SHUT ME UP A LONg TIME AgO.

You know that the Browns moved...and you're blaming it on the fans...when that is not the case.

BULLSHIT. LIKE I SAID, "SHOULD OF gAVE CUZZ HIS STADIUM. THERE WAS SOMETHIN' YAW COULD OF DID BUT YAW PRIDE COST YAW."

So you are speaking on something you don't know about...and it's dumb. I would say the same thing to my best friend...don't take it personal.

NONE TOOKEN. BUT LIKE I SAID, "SHOULD OF gAVE CUZZ HIS STADIUM. THERE WAS SOMETHIN' YAW COULD OF DID BUT YAW PRIDE COST YAW."

I mentioned the rioting and tearing up of the stadium in response to you saying the fans should have been in an uproar.

YEAH, AFTER THE FACT. IF THE CITY OF CLEVELAND WANTED THE TEAM TO STAY SO BAD, YOU SHOULD OF DID WHAT THE CITY OF DENVER DID AND BUILT A NEW STADIUM INSTEAD OF TEARIN' UP THE ONE YAW HAD. CAUSE IF YAW DID, YAW COULD OF WENT AND TORE THE OLD ONE N-E-WAY AND STILL HAD YAW TEAM AND A NEW STADIUM.

Let me also add the Modell has not been back to Cleveland for fear of his life. He couldn't even attend one of his best friends' funeral cause he was so scared.

CLEVELAND SO gANgSTA NOW. YAW STILL LOST YAW TEAM, BOTTOM LINE. SHIT DON'T MATTER OR SHOULDN'T MATTER NOW, HUH?

And he's basically been blocked from the Hall of Fame for moving the team...even though he's long been considered a lock.

SERVES HIM RIgHT. I STILL SAY YOU SHOULD OF JUST BUILT CUZZ A STADIUM.

Yes...I've heard of an auction. I don't see how that relates to this though.

COULD'VE JUST OUTBID BALTIMORE. BUT THEN AgAIN, YOU SHOULD OF JUST BUILT CUZZ A NEW STADIUM. IT WAS FOR YAW BENEFIT N-E-WAY.

The story is WAY too long...but basically Modell wanted the CITY to make improvements to the old Municipal Stadium...even though HE OWNED IT.

SHOULD'VE JUST CAME TO AN AgREEMENT.

The Indians played there, rock concerts were held there, he made money off the suites...they all paid to use the stadium. But yet...he had no money to renovate the stadium?

AND THAT LITTLE INDISCREPANCY COST YOU TO LOSE YOUR BELOVED TEAM. HOW SAD.

Basically...he was a dumb-ass business man who made himself bankrupt and wanted the city to bail him out. His relationship with the city went bad...and he moved the team.

Baltimore was giving him a brand new stadium and $50 million in his pocket as a thank you gift.

He got to keep the team...and make a profit.

LOOK LIKE HE WON. HE gOT $51 MIL EXTRA. THAT'S LIKE ADDIN' INSULT TO INJURY. WHEN ALL YAW HAD TO DO WAS BUILD A NEW STADIUM FOR "YAW" THE FANS. CAUSE HE gONNA MAKE HIS SCRILLA REgARDLESS.

Yes...and he should die.

LOL. THAT SERIOUS?

It's not a matter of making me happy...it is what it is. It is the same team...only difference is the players.

But players change every year...what's the difference?

THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT YAW TEAM BOOKED CAUSE YAW DIDN'T WANT TO BUILD IT A NEW STADIUM, SO YAW WENT AT IT WITH THE OWNER FOR THE RIgHTS VERSUS KEEPIN' YOUR TEAM AND WATCHIN' THE PLAYERS YAW BEEN WATCHIN' AND PROgRESSIN' WHAT IS THE CURRENT RAVENS ROSTER. IF YAW WOULD OF JUST BUILT A NEW STADIUM, YAW WOULD HAVE A SUPERBOWL RINg RIgHT NOW. I KNOW THAT THOUgHT BURNS RIgHT NOW.

But it's not. This isn't the first time Cleveland has been shown to be the No. 1 fans in the NFL.

AND EVERY BRONCO FAN WILL DISPUTE THAT.

Also...don't forget average income is a factor in this as well. The average income in Denver is higher than in Cleveland.

HOW DOES IT FACTOR IN? FUK AN AVERAgE. I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT(JUST LIKE YOU CLAIM THE FANS DIDN'T).

Which game? Check out your Denver Broncos official site. Go here.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.ph...ce&searchType=

You still want to guarantee shit? As you can see...not every seat was filled. And if that doesn't answer your question, then write the people who did the study.

YOU DID A SEARCH ON THE BRONCOS SITE AND IT BROUgHT UP PRESEASON gAME ATTENDANCES. WOW? WHAT DOES THAT PROVE? CHEK THE REgULAR SEASON AND ESPECIALLY THE POST-SEASON AND LET'S SEE WHO DIDN'T gO.

OUTSIDE is not INSIDE the stadium. The players can't see or hear you from outside.

OH SO NOW THE PLAYERS MUST SEE EVERYBODY? ALL 78,000+? MY POINT WAS THAT THERE ARE FANS AROUND UNACCOUNTED FOR. IF YOU OUTSIDE THE STADIUM, YOU STILL AT THE STADIUM. AND I'M ALSO INCLUDIN' THE ONES WITH FAKE TICCETS, SNUK IN, AND SO FORTH.

The stadium keeps track of how many people show up...as shown in that link I provided. They obviously feel it's official enough to post on the site.

BUSINESS IS BUSINESS. BUT AS I MENTIONED, THEY CAN'T ACCOUNT FOR EVERYBODY IN ACTUALITY. ALL THEY CAN gO OFF OF IS TICCET SALES.

 

[gimpypimp]

HAHA...you're a fool man.

 

[EDJ]

^MY E-MAIL SAID "DORK".

 

[gimpypimp]

SHOULD OF gAVE CUZZ HIS STADIUM. THERE WAS SOMETHIN' YAW COULD OF DID BUT YAW PRIDE COST YAW.

That's the city...not the fans. And it ain't as simple as just...ohh...I think we'll build a new stadium.

Cleveland isn't exactly a rich town.

I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. BUT LIKE I SAID, "SHOULD OF gAVE CUZZ HIS STADIUM. THERE WAS SOMETHIN' YAW COULD OF DID BUT YAW PRIDE COST YAW."

If you know what happened, then why did you ask?

And it's not the fans fault...fans don't run the city.

I UNDA-STAND IT CLEARLY. I JUST KNOW WE NEVA LOST OUR TEAM.

But other cities have...and to blame it on the fans is dumb. And if you really did understand, you would know that.

I COULD IF I WANTED TOO. BUT OTHA PEOPLE DONE CALLED ME A MILLION AND ONE THANgS. AND I gOT A FEW ALIASES.

Well yeah...you could call yourself "hoslcpsl" if you wanted to...but the NFL don't work like that.

CAUSE YOU LOST YOUR TEAM, AND DIDN'T ACCOMODATE THE OWNERS DEMANDS.

Well...we have our history...so it's a moot point.

YUP, CAN'T DENY WHERE HE gOT FAMOUS AND WHERE HE gOT HIS gAME FROM.

Yup...gotta love Miami.

HOW AM I NOT? YOU SAID YOU UNDA-STAND BUT YOU AIN'T LOOKIN' AT IT THAT WAY. AND THAT WAY IS REALISTIC. SO IN ACTUALITY, YOU AIN'T LOOKIN' AT IT THAT WAY EVEN THOUgH YOU gET MY POINT. WHAT'S THERE TO BULLSHIT?

Cause you're calling teams what they used to be...not what they are.

We don't call the Titans the old Oilers...or the Texans the new Oilers. We don't call the Rams the L.A. Rams, or the Colts the new Colts, or the Ravens the new Colts.

You see where I'm getting at? If we did everything your way, this whole league would be pretty hard to name.

Just because I understand you and understand your point, doesn't mean I have to agree with you.

CAUSE THEY gOIN' OFF THE NAME AND WHAT THE OWNERS MARKET THEM AS. AIN'T gOT SHIT TO WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.

We all know what happened.

But a team has a name...we can't call the Broncos...the "Denver Jake Plummer, Champ Bailey, John Lynch, etc.". Even though in "reality" that's what they are.

LOL. YOU JUST A BROWNS FAN THAT CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED AND TRYIN' TO SWEEP IT UNDA THE RUg. I CALL THEM HOW I SEE IT. THE RAVENS WILL ALWAYS BE THE OLD BROWNS TO ME AND CAN'T NOBODY TELL ME DIFFERENT OR DISPUTE THAT FACT. MAYBE TIME WILL HEAL THAT WOUND, BUT I AIN'T FORgOTTEN.

No...I can't believe it happened...especially when it didn't have to. And I'm not trying to sweep it under the rug...we all know what happened.

The Ravens are the old Browns...but when you have a conversation, to say..ohh...the Baltimore Old Browns is just plain fuckin' stupid.

TRUTH. REALITY IS THAT THE RAVENS ARE THE OLD BROWNS AND THE BROWNS FROM TODAY ARE A 99' EXPANSION TEAM. ACTUALITY IS THAT THE RAVENS ARE THE RAVENS FROM BALTIMORE AND THE BROWNS ARE THE BROWNS FROM CLEVELAND. THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKIN' ABOUT.

Yes...I already told you I understand that. We all know that. But we don't call them that. That is what I am trying to tell you.

NO SHIT. HE AN EX BRONCO.

No...an ex-Hurricane.

NO, CORRECTION, EX BRONCO. BUT YOU CAN CALL HIM WHAT YOU WANT. I WOULDN'T MIND PEOPLE REFERRIN' TO HIM AS AN EX BRONCO.

No...correction...he's an ex-Hurricane. See how lame that sounds? Call 'em what they are.

BULLSHIT. LIKE I SAID, "SHOULD OF gAVE CUZZ HIS STADIUM. THERE WAS SOMETHIN' YAW COULD OF DID BUT YAW PRIDE COST YAW."

What's bullshit? The fans don't make those decisions. This just shows that you really don't know what you are talking about.

YES I DO. IF I DIDN'T, THEN YOU WOULD OF SHUT ME UP A LONg TIME AgO.

It's ignorance talking...I can't shut that up.

BULLSHIT. LIKE I SAID, "SHOULD OF gAVE CUZZ HIS STADIUM. THERE WAS SOMETHIN' YAW COULD OF DID BUT YAW PRIDE COST YAW."

Ignorance.

YEAH, AFTER THE FACT. IF THE CITY OF CLEVELAND WANTED THE TEAM TO STAY SO BAD, YOU SHOULD OF DID WHAT THE CITY OF DENVER DID AND BUILT A NEW STADIUM INSTEAD OF TEARIN' UP THE ONE YAW HAD. CAUSE IF YAW DID, YAW COULD OF WENT AND TORE THE OLD ONE N-E-WAY AND STILL HAD YAW TEAM AND A NEW STADIUM.

You make it sound all so simple. If only that were the case.

CLEVELAND SO gANgSTA NOW. YAW STILL LOST YAW TEAM, BOTTOM LINE. SHIT DON'T MATTER OR SHOULDN'T MATTER NOW, HUH?

lol...best recognize sucka...we real with it.

Seriously though...it does matter. You can't take a team away and not suffer the consequences.

SERVES HIM RIgHT. I STILL SAY YOU SHOULD OF JUST BUILT CUZZ A STADIUM.

Again...if only it was that simple.

COULD'VE JUST OUTBID BALTIMORE. BUT THEN AgAIN, YOU SHOULD OF JUST BUILT CUZZ A NEW STADIUM. IT WAS FOR YAW BENEFIT N-E-WAY.

I suggest you do some research on the subject.

SHOULD'VE JUST CAME TO AN AgREEMENT.

Again...if only it was that simple. I suggest you do some research on the subject.

AND THAT LITTLE INDISCREPANCY COST YOU TO LOSE YOUR BELOVED TEAM. HOW SAD.

I'm sure there was a little more to it...but basically yeah. That's what they claim anyway.

LOOK LIKE HE WON. HE gOT $51 MIL EXTRA. THAT'S LIKE ADDIN' INSULT TO INJURY. WHEN ALL YAW HAD TO DO WAS BUILD A NEW STADIUM FOR "YAW" THE FANS. CAUSE HE gONNA MAKE HIS SCRILLA REgARDLESS.

You keep saying "when all you had to do was build a new stadium". Like you can just pull one out of your ass. It ain't that easy.

Do some research on what it takes to build a stadium.

LOL. THAT SERIOUS?

No...I don't really wish him dead.

THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT YAW TEAM BOOKED CAUSE YAW DIDN'T WANT TO BUILD IT A NEW STADIUM, SO YAW WENT AT IT WITH THE OWNER FOR THE RIgHTS VERSUS KEEPIN' YOUR TEAM AND WATCHIN' THE PLAYERS YAW BEEN WATCHIN' AND PROgRESSIN' WHAT IS THE CURRENT RAVENS ROSTER. IF YAW WOULD OF JUST BUILT A NEW STADIUM, YAW WOULD HAVE A SUPERBOWL RINg RIgHT NOW. I KNOW THAT THOUgHT BURNS RIgHT NOW.

You keep saying "when all you had to do was build a new stadium". Like you can just pull one out of your ass. It ain't that easy.

Do some research on what it takes to build a stadium.

Not only that...even IF Cleveland did build a new stadium...he wasn't going to make money off of it. Baltimore gave him $50 mil to move the team.

Cleveland ain't that rich.

AND EVERY BRONCO FAN WILL DISPUTE THAT.

Every fan of every team would probably try to dispute that.

HOW DOES IT FACTOR IN? FUK AN AVERAgE. I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT(JUST LIKE YOU CLAIM THE FANS DIDN'T).

Because Cleveland fans make less but still go to the game. Denver fans make more and don't.

YOU DID A SEARCH ON THE BRONCOS SITE AND IT BROUgHT UP PRESEASON gAME ATTENDANCES. WOW? WHAT DOES THAT PROVE? CHEK THE REgULAR SEASON AND ESPECIALLY THE POST-SEASON AND LET'S SEE WHO DIDN'T gO.

The regular games are on there if you click on the link smart ass. Why don't you try clicking on it?

And it will prove that every single person who bought a ticket didn't go to the game. It's a FACT!

OH SO NOW THE PLAYERS MUST SEE EVERYBODY? ALL 78,000+? MY POINT WAS THAT THERE ARE FANS AROUND UNACCOUNTED FOR. IF YOU OUTSIDE THE STADIUM, YOU STILL AT THE STADIUM. AND I'M ALSO INCLUDIN' THE ONES WITH FAKE TICCETS, SNUK IN, AND SO FORTH.

They don't have to see them...but it would help don't you think?

What if all 78,000 people bought tickets but stayed outside? What's the point right?

BUSINESS IS BUSINESS. BUT AS I MENTIONED, THEY CAN'T ACCOUNT FOR EVERYBODY IN ACTUALITY. ALL THEY CAN gO OFF OF IS TICCET SALES.

They are accounting for the people who ACTUALLY ATTEND THE GAME...INSIDE. Not the ticket sales.

Cause that's all that matters...the people in the parking lot don't.

 

[gimpypimp]

^MY E-MAIL SAID "DORK".

I changed it. I thought dork sounded harsh when I didn't intend it to.

I know how sensitive you are.

 

[Vamps]

If it wasn't for the shit talking...this place wouldn't be worth coming to.

The smartest thing you ever said..

I can't hang with all the back and forth quotes. So we'll just score this one Vamps: 1 Gimpy: -2 and call it a day..

 

[EDJ]

That's the city...not the fans. And it ain't as simple as just...ohh...I think we'll build a new stadium.

Cleveland isn't exactly a rich town.

NEITHA IS DENVER AND YAW HAVE A BIgKA MARKET. AND WE WENT WHAT YAW WENT THRU AND BELIEVE ME, WE MADE SURE THE BRONCOS NEVA LEFT.

If you know what happened, then why did you ask?

CAUSE YOU ASSUMED I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS TALKIN' BOUT.

And it's not the fans fault...fans don't run the city.
QUOTE]

BUT THEY ARE TAX PAYERS THAT CAN PRESSURE THE CITY. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DO THANgS IN CLEVELAND, BUT OUT HERE, THE AVERAgE TAX PAYER IS A BRONCO FAN AND WILL BE DAMNED IF THE CITY DIDN'T DO SHIT WHEN PAT BOWLEN(THE BRONCOS OWNER) WAS TRIPPIN'. THAT'S WHAT A REAL FAN IS. NOT THIS BULLSHIT STUDY.

But other cities have...and to blame it on the fans is dumb. And if you really did understand, you would know that.

BULLSHIT. IF THE FANS ARE THAT SERIOUS, IT WOULD gET POLITICAL AND THEY WOULD LOK THEY TEAM SO THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO LEAVE.

Well yeah...you could call yourself "hoslcpsl" if you wanted to...but the NFL don't work like that.

NO SHIT. EVERYTHANg IS OVER-SENSATIONALIZED AND MARKETED.

Well...we have our history...so it's a moot point.

THANK THE LORD FOR THAT HUH?

That's the city...not the fans. And it ain't as simple as just...ohh...I think we'll build a new stadium.

Cleveland isn't exactly a rich town.

Yup...gotta love Miami. .

NOPE. THE DOLPHINS NEVA HAD HIM. WE TALKIN' NFL HERE.

Cause you're calling teams what they used to be...not what they are.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE WORD "ACTUALITY" MEANS?

We don't call the Titans the old Oilers...or the Texans the new Oilers. We don't call the Rams the L.A. Rams, or the Colts the new Colts, or the Ravens the new Colts.

I DO FOR THE TITANS, TEXANS, AND RAMS. BUT WHY WOULD I CALL THE RAVENS THE NEW COLTS WHEN THEY THE OLD BROWNS?

You see where I'm getting at? If we did everything your way, this whole league would be pretty hard to name.

WHAT YOU MEAN MY WAY? I HAVE NOTHIN' TO DO WITH HOW SHIT IS. I AIN'T SAYIN' TO NAME THE TEAMS THIS. I'M JUST SAYIN' WHAT I CONSIDER TEAMS CAUSE I KNOW THE REALITY BEHIND WHO THEY REALLY ARE. OBVIOUSLY THE OWNERS PAID MILLIONS TO CALL THEM WHAT THEY WANT AND MARKET THAT PRODUCT WITH THAT LOgO. IF I WANTED TO BE AN ASSHOLE I WOULD DESIgN MY OWN SHIRTS AND HAVE LIKE SOMETHIN' ON THE BOTTOM SAYIN' SUCH. BUT IT AIN'T THAT IMPORTANT.

Just because I understand you and understand your point, doesn't mean I have to agree with you..

IT MEANS THAT YOU AKNOWLEDgE THAT FACT.

We all know what happened.

But a team has a name...we can't call the Broncos...the "Denver Jake Plummer, Champ Bailey, John Lynch, etc.". Even though in "reality" that's what they are.

THEY'RE A TEAM, PLAYIN' A TEAM SPORT, UNDA A TEAM NAME, IDENTITY, AND SO FORTH. SO DOIN' SOMETHIN' IDIOTIC AS YOU MENTIONED IS BASICALLY TRYIN' TO COMPARE APPLE WITH ORANgES. CAUSE WE ALL KNOW THE PLAYAS(SOME OF US), BUT THEY UNDA THAT UMBRELLA, VERSUS ME IDENTIFYIN' A TEAM AS WHAT THEY ONCE WERE IDENTIFIED AS.

No...I can't believe it happened...especially when it didn't have to.

EXACTLY. JUST FIX THE STADIUM OR BUILD A NEW ONE.

The Ravens are the old Browns...but when you have a conversation, to say..ohh...the Baltimore Old Browns is just plain fuckin' stupid.

I NEVA MIXXED THE WORD "BALTIMORE" WITH OLD BROWNS. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF FACT FACT WHEN I CONVERSATE. I JUST REFER TO THEM AS THE OLD BROWNS. "THE RAVENS", "YEAH, THE OLD BROWNS".

Yes...I already told you I understand that. We all know that. But we don't call them that. That is what I am trying to tell you.

NO SHIT, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYIN' TO TELL YOU. REALITY VS. ACTUALITY.

No...an ex-Hurricane.

WHAT YOU MEAN "NO"? HE WAS NEVA A BRONCO? WE KNOW WHAT COLLEgE HE WENT TO, BUT AIN'T NOBODY TALKIN' BOUT COLLEgES AND THE SMALL TIME. WE TALKIN' THE BIg LEAgUE'S AND DENVER IS WHERE PORTIS gOT HIS FEET WET.

No...correction...he's an ex-Hurricane. See how lame that sounds? Call 'em what they are.

AND HE "IS" AN EX BRONCO(PROFESSIONALLY SPEAKIN') BUT LIKE I SAID, CALL HIM WHAT YOU WANT. NOW SINCE HE AIN'T WITH THE BRONCOS, I COULD CARE LESS.

What's bullshit? The fans don't make those decisions. This just shows that you really don't know what you are talking about.

WHAT'S BULLSHIT IS THE FANS DIDN'T PRESSURE THE CITY ENOUgH TO ACCOMODATE OR NEgOTIATE SOME PLAN. THEY THOUgHT ART MODELL WAS PLAYIN'. AND YOU THINK I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKIN' BOUT? THE SHIT WAS TRYIN' TO HAPPEN IN DENVER. IT SEEMED LIKE PAT BOWLEN WAS LEANIN' TOWARDS SOME ART MODELL TACTICS AND STRUNg THE CITY ALONg. AND YOU WONDER WHY THE BRONCOS LOgO CHANgED TO TAKE THE LETTER "D" OUT OF IT. BUT AFTER YEARS IT CAME TO SOME AgREEMENT ABOUT BUILDIN' A NEW STADIUM AND INVESCO PUT UP SOME MONEY AS WELL PAT BOWLEN AND THE TAX PAYERS TO FINANCE THE NEW STADIUM. NOW DENVER COULDN'T BE HAPPIER AND SINCE THEN WE HAVE TWO SUPERBOWLS BAK-TO-BAK.

It's ignorance talking...I can't shut that up.

BULLSHIT. I CAN. FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. YOU CAN'T DISPUTE THAT.

Ignorance.

NOPE. REALITY AND IT HURTS.

You make it sound all so simple. If only that were the case.

NOBODY SAID IT WAS. IT TOOK YEARS IN DENVER gOIN' BAK AND FORTH TO FINALLY COME WITH A RESOLUTION.

Seriously though...it does matter. You can't take a team away and not suffer the consequences.

THE DAMAgE IS DONE. YAW gOT ANOTHA TEAM. EVERYBODY HAPPY.

I'm sure there was a little more to it...but basically yeah. That's what they claim anyway.

SO WHAT YOU THINK WHAT OTHA FACTORS WERE THERE?

You keep saying "when all you had to do was build a new stadium". Like you can just pull one out of your ass. It ain't that easy.

Do some research on what it takes to build a stadium.

I'M JUST STRESSIN' THE BOTTOM LINE. NOBODY SAID IT WAS SIMPLE. IF CLEVELAND HAD THAT MUCH LOVE AND WERE THE BEST FANS IN THE LEAgUE(LIKE THIS THREAD AND STUDY DICTATE)THEN THE BOTTOM LINE WOULD OF BEEN THE gOAL AND THEY WOULD'VE KEPT THEY TEAM.

Not only that...even IF Cleveland did build a new stadium...he wasn't going to make money off of it. Baltimore gave him $50 mil to move the team.

Cleveland ain't that rich.

OR THAT LOYAL. BY N-E MEANS, RIgHT? BUT THE ISSUE SHOULD'VE BEEN HANDLED BY IT'S ROOTS AND BALTIMORE WOULDN'T HAD THE CHANCE TO ENTICE THE gREEDY BASTARD.

Because Cleveland fans make less but still go to the game. Denver fans make more and don't.

THAT IS NOT FACT. AND THAT'S WHY I HATE THESE AVERAgES AND STUDIES. SOME BRONCO FANS MIgHT MAKE MORE, BUT NOT ALL MAKE MORE. DON'T LET THESE NUMBERS CONFUSE YOU NOW.

The regular games are on there if you click on the link smart ass. Why don't you try clicking on it?

BULLSHIT. EVERY LINK WAS TO A PRE-SEASON gAME.

And it will prove that every single person who bought a ticket didn't go to the game. It's a FACT!

THE FACT IS THAT THOSE NUMBERS AIN'T EXACT. THE FACT IS THAT COME POST-SEASON, EVERYBODY IS gONNA SHOW UP.

They don't have to see them...but it would help don't you think?

PROBABLY, BUT MY POINT IS THAT STUDY DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR THEM AND OTHAS.

What if all 78,000 people bought tickets but stayed outside? What's the point right?

THAT WOULD BE THE DAY.

They are accounting for the people who ACTUALLY ATTEND THE GAME...INSIDE.

NO, CAUSE THEY CAN'T CONTROL WHO SNEAKS IN, OR gOES IN WITH FAKE TICCETS.

Cause that's all that matters...the people in the parking lot don't.

ARE YOU SURE YOU DON'T WORK FOR THE NFL? LOL YOU KIND OF SOUND LIKE A BUREAUCRATIC CREEP.

 

[EDJ]

I changed it. I thought dork sounded harsh when I didn't intend it to.

I know how sensitive you are.

SOUNDED HARSH? THAT WOULD MAKE YOU SOUND NERDY, AND SQUARE-BALLISH. AT THE SAME TIME CONTRADICT WHAT YOU STRESSED. SO I'M SENSITIVE NOW?

 

[Stealth]

I didn't read through all those posts because that's a bit too meticulous to warrant an online message board.

But as for the "Selling out/Showing up debate"

= The Steelers calculate their attendance and announce it during the 3rd quarter of the game. Their sell-out crowds are based on how many people actually show up to the game. If they 65,000 (the maximum) were in attendence, then it means 65,000 tickets were torn that day.

=We have a 65,000 capacity, but we sell standing room only tickets, so we constantly have way more than that.

=Pittsburgh is as poor, if not poorer, than Cleveland. We have a failing economy. You say its not that easy for a poor team to build a new stadium...but that's exactly what we do.

=We have tens of thousands of people outside the stadiums for games (even when we're 6-10).

So...selling out is the same as showing up here. I don't think that a mere technicality such as "how many tickets sold vs. how many people actually in attendance" is a big enough difference to start a worthwhile argument.

=The TV ratings in the city pretty much all go to the Steelers game. During a steelers game the city is a ghost town. Everybody wears black and gold all day long. Some major channels even blackout during a steeler game.

So those that didn't show up are still watching a game. The question that I pose to you, considering the Browns haven't been a good team in a long time, is how many women between the ages of 13-65 are die hard browns fans in your city? How many of them plan their day around the Browns schedule. In Pittsburgh its probably around 95%.