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I've been reading The Da Vinvi Code. You all should read it. The author does quite a bit of research on Christianity. He talks about how Christianity is a borrowed religion, and a fused religion with pagan beliefs. Here are a few:

Pre-Christian God was Mithras- The son of God nad the Light of the world was born on December 25th, as was Osiris, Adonis, and Dionysys
Egyptian sun discs- became Halos
Isis nursing her miraculously concived son Horus- Mary and jesus
The newborn Krishna was presented with gold, frankincence and myrr

Even more, he talks about the Holy Grail, and that it wasn't the cup, but a person, Mary Magdalen, Jesus's wife.

Mary was not a prostitute but of the Tribe of Benjamin, royal blood, who married Jesus, of the House of David. The marriage brought together the two royal families.

It was constantine, on his deathbed (which is when he converted to christianity) that wrote the bible. He decided which gospels would go in and embelished the ones that would make Jesus look divine, and not human which is what all the other gospels made him out to be.

The word Sangreal (holy grail) derived from Sang Real- Royal blood.

it goes on and on about how the church distorted the view to put down women and change the stories to suit their needs (including the divinity of jesus, which was put to a vote to say whether or not he was divine in the bible).

He also goes on to show that in Da Vinci's The last Supper painting, the apostle to the right hand of Jesus is really Mary Magdaline, and not a man. you can tell by looking at this picture


also, St. Peter is on the right as well (next to Mary, who was supposed to be the true leader of Jesus's church after his death, not St. Peter, again another re-editing by constantine). Look to see how he is holding his hand as if motioning he was going to kill her, the motion i'm sure all of us are aware of, the moving of the hand across the neck to symbolize the cutting of throat. look at the same picture as above to show.

Also look and the hand with now body. it is holding a knife.

also, the original symbol for female was basically a widened V to sybolize a chalice, which is how the Cup of christ being the holy grail got it's start. the symbolism is that mary was the chalice for the blood of christ, meaning their child.

Mary and jesus are also wearing the same color robes and thier seperation brings about the V.. you can see that here:


also, there is not one cup of christ, but 13 glasses, one for each apostle and one for jesus, which da vinci uses to further show the true meaning of Chalice was not the cup being the holy grail.

Really interesting stuff.
 
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So Da Vinci knew enough about Hellenistic Jewish culture to completely stage the way the actual last supper took place? Where's the dipping bowl? Why is there a table?
 

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da vinci, among others, was involved in a secret cult of sorts. the cult is supposed to know the true nature of what really happened. something the catholic church feared (which is why so many of the gospels were ommitted from the constatine version of the bible)

just a side note, this book isn't trying to disprove the validity of jesus' actions when he was alive, just showing some of the historical truths to christianity ... author is not saying christ was afraud or denying that he walked the earth and inspired millions to better lives. what he is saying is that constantine took advantage of christs substantial influence and importance... i recommend this book for everyone to read... so far it's been really good.

oh yeah, and christ's ressurection was also based onMithra's death, being burried in a rock tomb, and resurrected in three days
 
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shep said:
da vinci, among others, was involved in a secret cult of sorts. the cult is supposed to know the true nature of what really happened. something the catholic church feared (which is why so many of the gospels were ommitted from the constatine version of the bible)
is there any evidence to this? how exactly did the author learn about this cult?
shep said:
just a side note, this book isn't trying to disprove the validity of jesus' actions when he was alive, just showing some of the historical truths to christianity ... author is not saying christ was afraud or denying that he walked the earth and inspired millions to better lives. what he is saying is that constantine took advantage of christs substantial influence and importance... i recommend this book for everyone to read... so far it's been really good.
Well the thing is that the historical truths aren't very truthful. I'd take most of it with a grain of salt. Although I admit I haven't read it few of the things it states just don't fit historically.
shep said:
oh yeah, and christ's ressurection was also based onMithra's death, being burried in a rock tomb, and resurrected in three days
Any links to Mithra?
 

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is there any evidence to this? how exactly did the author learn about this cult?

Well the thing is that the historical truths aren't very truthful. I'd take most of it with a grain of salt. Although I admit I haven't read it few of the things it states just don't fit historically.

Any links to Mithra?
here's a partial bibliography of the da vinci code that has all this info.

The History of the Knights Templars
--Charles G. Addison


Rosslyn: Guardians of the Secret of the Holy Grail
--Tim Wallace - Murphy


The Woman With The Alabaster Jar: Mary Magdalene and the Holy Grail
--Margaret Starbird


The Templar Revelation: Secret Guardians of the True Identity of Christ
--Lynn Picknett & Clive Prince


The Goddess in the Gospels: Reclaiming the Sacred Feminine
--Margaret Starbird


Holy Blood, Holy Grail.
--Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, Henry Lincoln


The Search for the Holy Grail and the Precious Blood
--Deike Begg


The Messianic Legacy
--Michael Baigent


The Knights Templar and their Myth
--Peter Partner


The Dead Sea Bible. The Oldest Known Bible
--Martin G. Abegg


The Dead Sea Deception
--Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, Henry Lincoln


The Nag Hammadi Library in English
--James M. Robinson


Jesus and the Lost Goddess: The Secret Teachings of the Original Christians
--Timothy Freke, Peter Gandy


When God was a Woman
--Merlin Stone


The Chalice and the Blade. Our History, our Future
--Riane Eisler


Born in Blood
--John J. Robinson


The Malleus Maleficarum
--Heinrich Kramer & James Sprenger


The Notebooks of Leonardo da Vinci
--Leonardo da Vinci


Prophecies
--Leonardo da Vinci


Leonardo da Vinci: Scientist, Inventor, Artist
--Otto Letze


Leonardo: The Artist and the Man
--Serge Bramly, Sian Reynolds


Their Kingdom Come: Inside the secret world of Opus Dei
--Robert A. Hutchison


Beyond the Threshold: A Life in Opus Dei
--Maria Del Carmen Tapia


The Pope's Armada: Unlocking the Secrets of Mysterious and Powerful New Sects in the Church
--Gordon Urguhart


Opus Dei: An Investigation into the Secret Society Struggling for Power Within the Roman Catholic Church
--Michael Walsh


I. M. Pei: A Profile in American Architecture
--Carter Wiseman


Conversations With I. M. Pei: Light Is the Key
--Gero Von Boehm


here is a link about muthras: http://www.dimensional.com/~randl/tarsus.htm

and which things don't fit historically?
 
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shep said:
here's a partial bibliography of the da vinci code that has all this info.

The History of the Knights Templars
--Charles G. Addison


Rosslyn: Guardians of the Secret of the Holy Grail
--Tim Wallace - Murphy


The Woman With The Alabaster Jar: Mary Magdalene and the Holy Grail
--Margaret Starbird


The Templar Revelation: Secret Guardians of the True Identity of Christ
--Lynn Picknett & Clive Prince


The Goddess in the Gospels: Reclaiming the Sacred Feminine
--Margaret Starbird


Holy Blood, Holy Grail.
--Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, Henry Lincoln


The Search for the Holy Grail and the Precious Blood
--Deike Begg


The Messianic Legacy
--Michael Baigent


The Knights Templar and their Myth
--Peter Partner


The Dead Sea Bible. The Oldest Known Bible
--Martin G. Abegg


The Dead Sea Deception
--Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, Henry Lincoln


The Nag Hammadi Library in English
--James M. Robinson


Jesus and the Lost Goddess: The Secret Teachings of the Original Christians
--Timothy Freke, Peter Gandy


When God was a Woman
--Merlin Stone


The Chalice and the Blade. Our History, our Future
--Riane Eisler


Born in Blood
--John J. Robinson


The Malleus Maleficarum
--Heinrich Kramer & James Sprenger


The Notebooks of Leonardo da Vinci
--Leonardo da Vinci


Prophecies
--Leonardo da Vinci


Leonardo da Vinci: Scientist, Inventor, Artist
--Otto Letze


Leonardo: The Artist and the Man
--Serge Bramly, Sian Reynolds


Their Kingdom Come: Inside the secret world of Opus Dei
--Robert A. Hutchison


Beyond the Threshold: A Life in Opus Dei
--Maria Del Carmen Tapia


The Pope's Armada: Unlocking the Secrets of Mysterious and Powerful New Sects in the Church
--Gordon Urguhart


Opus Dei: An Investigation into the Secret Society Struggling for Power Within the Roman Catholic Church
--Michael Walsh


I. M. Pei: A Profile in American Architecture
--Carter Wiseman


Conversations With I. M. Pei: Light Is the Key
--Gero Von Boehm


here is a link about muthras: http://www.dimensional.com/~randl/tarsus.htm

and which things don't fit historically?
Historically/accurately:
The whole way the last supper is staged
1)The concept on which he bases his book
2)The fact that this "last supper" scene is favored over many, many, many earlier renditions.
3)The fact that there are 13 people at the table. if that's mary where's the apostle that was taken out? I actually believe that woman is Judas (his most trusted).
4) The concept of the holy grail was made up. It's not a cup or a woman.
5) Jesus was never married. If he was why is there no proof in the bible or other outside sources? Trust me if he was there would be. He loved (platonically [sp?]) Mary.
6)Priory of Sion-Hoax
I'm sure there's more. I haven't read the book although I intend to.
And is muthras a part of the Zoroastrianic religion?
 

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i don't claim to know everything in this book, just posted the shit i found interesting. apparently, the other scrolls do talk about mary and jesus being married.
 

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That’s fucking interesting Shep…I just started reading that shit last week...what a coincident. :confused:
it gets good dude.... the book is an overall a great read, whether or not you buy into it. it keeps you reading, suspenseful. i enjoy it...

by the way, i finished the Dante Club, that book was pretty good. you might like it.
 
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it gets good dude.... the book is an overall a great read, whether or not you buy into it. it keeps you reading, suspenseful. i enjoy it...
Yeah, that's what I hear. A big misconception about us atheist/agnostics is that we dislike reading things regarding anything that has to remotely do with religion/god or spirituality. HA!

by the way, i finished the Dante Club, that book was pretty good. you might like it.
Maybe. I've read about it..
 
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shep said:
i don't claim to know everything in this book, just posted the shit i found interesting. apparently, the other scrolls do talk about mary and jesus being married.
Oh im not saying you do. Im merely stating the fact people (usually religious types and those who fervently want to disprove this or that) buy into almost anything. Like the left behind series. Based on the "bible" supposedly the best selling book of all time, aside from the bible, and all of it is based on a wrongful enterpretation and an idea that came about in the 50's.
 

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Yeah, that's what I hear. A big misconception about us atheist/agnostics is that we dislike reading things regarding anything that has to remotely do with religion/god or spirituality. HA!

what's odd, is i'm an atheist, yet i find religious themed movies and historically-religious themed books to be entertaining and amusing. Bruce Almighty, Stigmata, Oh God!, Dante club, da vinci code. shit, even the matrix is very religiously involved.
 

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You guys are acting like you're reading a historical document.

You're reading fiction.
yes the story line is fiction dealing with the murders, but the historical aspect of it is well documented. Look up any of that shit in the book, and you will see how well documented it is and that the author was using the historical record to tell a story of a murder(s).

look at the partial bibliography i posted. they all deal with the HISTORICAL DOCUMENTED parts of the novel.
 
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shep said:
Bruce Almighty, Stigmata, Oh God!, Dante club, da vinci code. shit, even the matrix is very religiously involved.
Then again these are either mockeries, re-interpretations, modernizations, etc. That's like saying because I like watching skinheads get their ass beat in jail riot videos that I'm interested in the white power movement.
 
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First off, we know that Da Vinci (as well as most other Renaissance artists and the catholic church as a whole) was heavily involved in the occult. To try and draw some conclusion based on an occultist's interpretation of the Bible is pure idiocy. The whole Knights of Templar thing is inherently occult in nature, as is the concept of the Holy Grail. So basically the Da Vinci Code is a work of fiction based on occult teachings and his little if anything to do with the historical reality of Christianity. Makes interesting reading, yes, as do Zecharia Sitchin's books, but at the end of the day, anyone with common sense knows its a load of shit. 90% of the books listed in the bibliography are Occult in nature, and would be located in the occult/paranormal/new age section of any bookstore. That means that those books in the bibliography would be placed on a shelf next to books on Roswell, Bigfoot, and crystal healing.

And to assert that Constatine somehow conspired to alter the Bible to suit his own whims, one must ignore the evidence of the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Old Testament, both of which validate the New Testament and preclude any chance of conspiracy.
 

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the dead sea scrolls do not validate the rest of the new testament. if they did, the catholic church would have accepted them as gospels and put them in. bt they refuse to even acknowledge them. whether or not the holy grail exists and what it actually is, is up for debate, but considering millions of people believe it exists in some form, there is a good chance that it might.

and because the teachings are from an occult, it makes them wrong? if what is theorized in the books in that bibliography is true, then they are not the occult because they are following the TRUE christianity. It's pretty naive for you toi think that the catholic church doesn't change things to suit their needs. anyone in history can tell you that constantine was a hypocritical guy. forcing people to convert to christianity upon penalty of death and even paying people to convert, all the while he still practiced pagan religions
 
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First off, let's make something clear: the Catholic Church has little to do with Christianity. The Catholic Church is a pagan entity who's practices contradict the teachings of the Bible.

Second, Constatine was a piece of shit, but if he was truly altering the Bible, then he would have altered it in such a way as to make his actions seem justifiable. Even a cursory examination of the Biblical text shows that Constatine was in the wrong, so tell me exactly how he changed it to suit his whims. There are plenty of texts that have survived independent of Constantine, yet the content of these various texts match exactly.

Finally, if you believe that Occult literature really has merit, than I have a formula that turns lead into gold that i'm willing to sell you.