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Humans share 98.4 percent of our DNA with Chimpanzees.

And there's another thing I read in my Sociology text saying that there's only one race- the human race. Something about the remains of a women found in Africa.
 
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smokingoods said:
^^^*sigh*

do you really NOT believe in evolution for resons you think are rational?

you want to believe in religious fairytales, feel free. but dont pretend you're doing it because its rational. you do it because it makes you feel good. not because it makes any sense.

every explanation is theoretical. that doesnt mean they all cary equal weight. do some crawling before you stand up
KillaClown said:
Humans share 98.4 percent of our DNA with Chimpanzees.
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Ne Obliviscaris

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STOCKTONE said:
There are explanations aside from evolution. Do I total discredit evolution? No, cause I believe in evolution within the Flora and Fauna.

If you can't comprehend my post towards you, or for evolution, let me break it down for ya. If you look back in my posts I never used religious reasoning.

what exactly is religious REASONING?

No, because just like you I have my own views, but if you believe you were once a monkey, would you also believe you were once a rat? We have the same DNA, so why not huh? I choose not to believe we were monkeys millions of years ago because for 1. No one can prove that the EARTH is millions of years old. The farthest time any kind of dating method can only go as far back as a few thousand years precisely 70,000 years is the farthest any dating method can go back. 2. Yes I reject the notion because of Biblical beliefs. 3. Aside from Physical appearances, is there anything more to us that totally relates us to monkeys, not much that I know of.

#1, you are absolutley wrong. there is no 70000 year limit to doing radioactive dating. in theory, you can date back infinately as long as hte laws (or theories if youd prefer) of physics still apply and radioactive decay occurs at a steady rate.

#2 if you reject 'the notion' on biblical beliefs then why are you arguing with me. you dont look for truth, youre content with your little book, and dont care what the real world tells us. so go back to telling people women are made from ribs, and all the animals fit on a boat.

#3 genes?

Now since no dating method can prove the world is millions of years old, I thought we evolve as the millions of years pass by. Read up on Carbon 14 dating, it's the best method to estimate a time frame of a fossil.

first off, carbon dating isnt the 'best method' for estimating age. see me response tearlier. secondly we dont 'eveolve as the millions of years pas by'. evolution is a process, and therefore is constant, if youre talking about the amount of time it takes to ceate observabel changes.... then youre wrong again. whether it be aids developing resistance to antiviral drugs within a few months, or the change in beak size of finches over a few decades, evolution occurs rapidly enough that we can SEE it.

how qick does yor god work?

Is the Law of Newton still a theory? Nope. I'm very capable of standing up buddy, I get knocked down sometimes, but I get back up.
and fnally, yes newtons laws are nfact theory, they are wrong theory too when you examne them from the quantum level.

before you stand up....
 
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smookingoods said:
#1, you are absolutley wrong. there is no 70000 year limit to doing radioactive dating. in theory, you can date back infinately as long as hte laws (or theories if youd prefer) of physics still apply and radioactive decay occurs at a steady rate.
Easily refutable, why? Because there are indications that many fossils have formed quickly. Meaning it didn't take a million years for the fossil to petrify. Fossils that theorically speaking, are said to be millions of years old are now given a time span between 4000-10000 years old.

Also the earth is eroding to quickly, I thought the process takes millions of years, and what was once thought to be millions of years, has been reduced to thousands of years. If the world is millions of billions of years old, would the continents be more divided? The Ocean more saltier? More Helium gases in the atmosphere?

If you're going to use the Billion and Million year old Cave theories, just drop it, cause if you've been in a cave, or has examined one, you'd understand that in the right conditions Cave Matter forms real quickly.

#2 if you reject 'the notion' on biblical beliefs then why are you arguing with me.
Because you brought it up.
you dont look for truth, youre content with your little book, and dont care what the real world tells us.
So what's the real world, believing in every theory with a 35% chance that it is true. Or Real Life Truth in our Biased news Media. Or textbooks, I'm a Christian, and each book is up for questioning, if no one questions anything then what's the use of learning or understanding others right? This world was meant to question things, although I don't question the bible in it's truest form, I don't mind when people question the bible, it allows me to tell them to understand for themselves the concepts, teachings, laws, precepts and statutes of the bible.
so go back to telling people women are made from ribs, and all the animals fit on a boat.
Yet if you've noticed how big Noah's Boat was, it's as big as a whole mountain, now go figure. If you believe your mom's great great great 14th great grandmother was a monkey or a rat go ahead, or some flashing lights that became eyes go ahead.
first off, carbon dating isnt the 'best method' for estimating age. see me response tearlier. secondly we dont 'eveolve as the millions of years pas by'.
First off, it's damn well close. Secondly, according to many Evolution takes millions of year. So are Siamese Twin's Evolution? If so, that's a damn shame.
evolution is a process, and therefore is constant, if youre talking about the amount of time it takes to ceate observabel changes.... then youre wrong again.
So do you think a Mutation is the same as evolution? I guess a retarded boy was a sign of evolution.
whether it be aids developing resistance to antiviral drugs within a few months, or the change in beak size of finches over a few decades, evolution occurs rapidly enough that we can SEE it.
Yeah, if if I had a third ear, that would be evolution as well. Did you know how aids became and epidemic in America? Do you know which race attained it first, and do you know the conspiracies behind it? Not as far fetched as evolution but learn about it.
how qick does yor god work?
Quick enough to spot your grammatical errors. Quick enough to make a universe in 6 days, and rest on the seventh. Quick enough to let 6000+ years of History go by with a whiff. Quick enough to make a non-believer a believer. Quick enough to prove his existence in his believers, something atheists can't comprehend. Quick enough to throw you down the pits of hell.
 
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Stockton..a couple things (and I'm not debating/arguing anything):

(1) Carbon dating is not generally used to date fossils unless they are fairly recent, nor is it "damn well close" to being the best technique since "best" depends on what you're dating. Artifacts from archaeological sites are usually dated using carbon dating. Ancient fossils use other radiometric dating techniques.

(2) Your fossil logic: A fossil is defined as "the remnant(s) of a prehistoric organism". It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with either petrification or dating.

(3) The continents would not be more divided than they are now because they're constantly in motion. This means that the continents continually come together are split apart. Research the supercontinent cycle. It's pretty interesting.

(4) A "retarded boy" is not an example of evolution. Evolution occurs within a population. This is an example of variation. If, for some reason, his being retarded were beneficial to him and allowed him to to reproduce better than others and the external conditions which allowed for him to reproduce are still there for his offspring, then there is a chance his offspring will have the same success. Eventually within the POPULATION, those genes will become more prevalent and begin to dominate the outlook of the poulation. This trend will likely continue unless there is some sort of change that renders these qualities useless, in which case another beneficial mutation/variation will be required for the population to continue to survive. And when these changes occur, they will be occurring on the "modified" population and will have had a far different effect on this population than it would have on the original population since the "template" was changed. Now, add millions of years and countless cycles of this occurring and what do you get? The origin of species. Remember: natural selection works on the individual, evolution works on the population.

Anyway, I had nothing to do today and I thought this might make for a more interesting discussion for you guys.
 
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RedStorm said:
Stockton..a couple things (and I'm not debating/arguing anything):

(1) Carbon dating is not generally used to date fossils unless they are fairly recent, nor is it "damn well close" to being the best technique since "best" depends on what you're dating. Artifacts from archaeological sites are usually dated using carbon dating. Ancient fossils use other radiometric dating techniques.

(2) Your fossil logic: A fossil is defined as "the remnant(s) of a prehistoric organism". It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with either petrification or dating.

(3) The continents would not be more divided than they are now because they're constantly in motion. This means that the continents continually come together are split apart. Research the supercontinent cycle. It's pretty interesting.

(4) A "retarded boy" is not an example of evolution. Evolution occurs within a population. This is an example of variation. If, for some reason, his being retarded were beneficial to him and allowed him to to reproduce better than others and the external conditions which allowed for him to reproduce are still there for his offspring, then there is a chance his offspring will have the same success. Eventually within the POPULATION, those genes will become more prevalent and begin to dominate the outlook of the poulation. This trend will likely continue unless there is some sort of change that renders these qualities useless, in which case another beneficial mutation/variation will be required for the population to continue to survive. And when these changes occur, they will be occurring on the "modified" population and will have had a far different effect on this population than it would have on the original population since the "template" was changed. Now, add millions of years and countless cycles of this occurring and what do you get? The origin of species. Remember: natural selection works on the individual, evolution works on the population.

Anyway, I had nothing to do today and I thought this might make for a more interesting discussion for you guys.
Redstorm, you never cease to amaze me. Eh, we all learn right. Good Post. What....no GREAT POST. But regardless of you informing and amazing posts from time to time, see below me what Tadou said. I don't and will never believe in Evolution in Humans. Like I've said only in the Flora and Fauna.
 
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KillaClown said:
Humans share 98.4 percent of our DNA with Chimpanzees.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/12/04/coolsc.coolsc.mousegenome/

For you lazy people out there:

Mice, men share 99 percent of genes
By Marsha Walton
CNN
Wednesday, December 4, 2002 Posted: 4:05 PM EST (2105 GMT)

(CNN) -- When it comes to DNA, it turns out there's not that much difference between mice and men.

Mice and humans each have about 30,000 genes, yet only 300 are unique to either organism. Both even have genes for a tail, even though it's not "switched on" in humans.

"About 99 percent of genes in humans have counterparts in the mouse," said Eric Lander, Director of the Whitehead Institute Center for Genomic Research in Cambridge, Massachusetts. "Eighty percent have identical, one-to-one counterparts."

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Some of y'all out there really do amaze me with your extremist Anti-Religious views. I know that you do it because you love Science.......but for the love of Science, stop being do damned idiotic about YOUR OWN Scientific views, presenting bullshit as "Proven fact" when YOUR OWN Science would instruct you TO NOT DO SO.