Can You Rationalize Your Belief in God?

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#1 Take an upper level physics class or if your short on funds go to the library and read up on entropy. BTW allow me to reitorate increasing randomness is positive entropy.

#1' No i am saying that the above stated laws of physics are in direct opposition to the existance of an omnipotent being therefore either the given laws of physics do not exist or said omnipotent being does not exist.

#2 you are not required to and you cannot infact you cannot prove anything based on faith therefore you cannot employ the scientific method based on faith because the scientific method is designed to __________<-add irrational commentary here.

#3 A display of your misunderstanding of the scientific method.
Thank you for your faith btw I hypothesize that you are also not an idiot the evidence for this is embeded in this very thread. You are a practicioner of irrational rehtoric which requires the excellent verbal skills lacking in idiocy. Sadly you seem to lack the requisit conceptual understanding necessary for the pragmatic approach.

#4 Faith is not necessary as there is evidence to support this claim.

#5 Test this hypothesis and record your results publish a scientific paper and be riticuled btw the use of exclimation points is not evidence of emotion only evidence of emphasis.
Satan does exist (satan is an epithet denoting enemy) If i would have said hail lucifer I would have been referring to the immaginary being who's stance sits in direct opposition to your plea for perfect balance in all things -> (Hare Krisna)

#6 refer to 1'

#7 I said that its existance (as you define it) is disproven by laws of physics. There are many interpritations of god yours is disproven.
I can only defend one position at a time.

#8 what concepts am I not willing to accept? what beliefs do I hold?

The last part of your paragraph is just more worthless ontology.

#9 Prove to me that no one cares. Or is that comment based purely on faith?
 

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XxtraMannish said:
Intelligent design is nothing more than creation theory (the belief that there is a divine creator). How is a theory proof of anything?
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edit: it IS a belief that there is a divine creator, but so is religion.

its not what the theory states, but WHY it states that, is my proof.

now of course if you lived your whole life a scientist, believing that everything makes sense n so on, im pretty sure you will see this in a scientific view with your own understanding of it.
but im lookin around me without judgment or my current beliefs gettin in the way with what i see, and what i see is a brain behind everything.
humans got teeth in their mouths to chew food.
did humans consciously decide to grow teeth? no. so there must be something else out there that is setting the perfect order of things.
 

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i know enough about evolution, but my point is if there truely was nothing, then nothing should even be "upgrading".
where would this command to evolve come from? or how would what to evolve to be known? since the next evolution is supposed to be better for the "plant", how would it know this new way works better than the old way?

there is a force that tells it to grow, and shows it how.
just my observation tho
 
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There is was more than nothing there was all of this potential in the form of matter and energy and it was looking for ways to increase it entropy.
Its trial and error over vast periods of time.

This question has already been answered many times.
 

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this answer has been given many times, but the question still remains,there is a force giving the matter and energy the ability to change for the better, without that force everything would stay the way it is.
remember, the things evolving arent conscious, something else IS tho.
 
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"Satan does exist (satan is an epithet denoting enemy) If i would have said hail lucifer I would have been referring to the immaginary being who's stance sits in direct opposition to your plea for perfect balance in all things -> (Hare Krisna)"
(bold emphasis added)

"Let me offer my respectful obeisances unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead, whose external energy has created the distinctions of "my friend" and "my enemy" by deluding the intelligence of men." -Prahlada Maharaja (Srimad Bhagavatam 7.5.11)
 
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@hemp I wasn't referring to the answer I gave to your question I was referring to the answer of n9's How?

The matter and energy are the force.

@ n9 Whoah godhead is deep.
since to you god created all things its obvious to you god created their definitions. I thought I had asked you a couple of questions that you never answered.
 
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Formaldehyde Rx said:
@hemp I wasn't referring to the answer I gave to your question I was referring to the answer of n9's How?
Oh really? I would have never guessed.


Formaldehyde Rx said:
@ n9 Whoah godhead is deep.
since to you god created all things its obvious to you god created their definitions. I thought I had asked you a couple of questions that you never answered.
The point is that you still have faith in Satan, even if you don't recognize Lucifer.
 
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Formaldehyde Rx said:
There is was more than nothing there was all of this potential in the form of matter and energy and it was looking for ways to increase it entropy.
Its trial and error over vast periods of time.

This question has already been answered many times.
How is this in direct opposition of the existence of an omnipotent being?
 
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energy and matter are the same thing so then you think god litterally is everything? Do you think god is conscious? If so are you god as well?

N9 it has been answered already. but if you insist define for me your interperetation of an omnipotent being?
 

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Formaldehyde Rx said:
energy and matter are the same thing so then you think god litterally is everything? Do you think god is conscious? If so are you god as well?

N9 it has been answered already. but if you insist define for me your interperetation of an omnipotent being?
yes, yes and im the closest thing to God (our consciousness) and i am able to find God as did Jesus, as did Buddha.

i found out that Hermetic Philosophy speaks my language and i read alot of it last night and it is exactly what im trying to speak about and it made total sense to me.

"The lips of Wisdom are closed, except to the ears of understanding."- Hermes Trisgmegistus

go ahead and give it a try

http://www.pymander.com/AETHEREAL/AXIOMS.htm
 
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Formaldehyde Rx said:
energy and matter are the same thing so then you think god litterally is everything? Do you think god is conscious? If so are you god as well?
To believe in God (i.e. a supreme being) means to believe that He is simultaneously everything and distinct from it. In Sanskrit this philosophy is called, "achintya bhedabheda tattva" which means, "inconceivably one and different, simultaneously".