Can You Rationalize Your Belief in God?

[XxtraMannish]

Personally, I am not convinced one way or the other as far as the existence or non existence of a god. I have tried to contemplate this myself on sveral occasions and I always end up right where I started, not being convinced one way or the other. Obviously, there are no right or wrong answers when dealing in beliefs, but I think it will be interesting to see the various ways people can rationalize their belief in a deity because I dont believe I have ever seen/heard anyone convincingly draw the conclusion that a god exists with any legitemate reasoning behind it.

 

[Stealth]

Try to explain to me how life started without talking about a higher power.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Try to explain to me how life started without talking about a higher power.

Try to explain to me what a higher power is

 

[Stealth]

A higher power is, in my opinion, whatever created life. Life didn't create itself. I'm not saying its a god, or a person, or a being, or anything conscious. Its just something that spawned us. There must be a reason that existence exists.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

But what is that something? It seems that you have absolutely no idea what that something might me, and yet you believe it to exist. That my friend, I would think, is considered irrational.

 

[XxtraMannish]

Try to explain to me how life started without talking about a higher power.

So does that mean, "No, I cant rationalize my belief in God."

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

The word "God" is loaded. It would be better at this stage of your understanding to just consider the concept impersonally as the supreme absolute truth. For something to be absolute means that it is independent of circumstances. The supreme absolute truth refers to that reality. And by definition it is the very basis of reality. What we perceive as reality through these temporary bodily senses is simply a by-product of reality. Reality is eternal. In this way we can understand that rationalization lies on the basis of the supreme absolute truth; it lies on the basis of God. Now, if you want to know God as a person, then that requires faith. You have to consider that hypothesis and decide to test that out. You know, science.

 

[scandal]

But what is that something? It seems that you have absolutely no idea what that something might me, and yet you believe it to exist. That my friend, I would think, is considered irrational.

I disagree, because thats why it is called faith, when you believe in something it is because there is no way to prove it but you still believe, so therefore are you irrational for believing in something.

and on a sidenote for those who dont believe in a God, then the way we live life should be considered irrational. We work for 90% of our lives trying to be educated and weathly, but when you die none of it will matter if you just cease to exist. so why go through the trouble? obviously there are still billions of people on this earth, so billions of people have found something to live for, and I think that is a miracle in itself. Life is a miracle, matter is a miracle, imagination is a miracle, birth is a miracle, love is a miracle.

I believe in God and that is MY BELIEF, and no one can take that away from me.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

because thats why it is called faith

Faith is irrational. Faith is the belief in something without or in spite of reason.
Faith is a direct contridiction to logic and rational thought.

We work for 90% of our lives trying to be educated and weathly, but when you die none of it will matter if you just cease to exist.

This is not the way I live my life.

I believe in God and that is MY BELIEF, and no one can take that away from me.

No one is trying to take that away from you comrade.

 

[JLMACN]

We work for 90% of our lives trying to be educated and weathly, but when you die none of it will matter if you just cease to exist.

r-i-d-i-c-u-l-o-u-s


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[Stealth]

But what is that something? It seems that you have absolutely no idea what that something might me, and yet you believe it to exist. That my friend, I would think, is considered irrational.

Anybody who claims to have an idea of what that something might be is obviously lying. Its not possible to know.

My reasoning is that something must have created us.

Bread doesn't create itself. A baker creates bread. In the same token...life doesn't create itself. Something created life.


That's how I rationalize MY belief in God.

 

[Stealth]

So does that mean, "No, I cant rationalize my belief in God."

No sir, that was a legitimate challenge to you. Maybe you could try to answer the question instead of making me look like an asshole?

Without using a higher power, please explain to me how you think life started?

 

[scandal]

Faith is irrational. Faith is the belief in something without or in spite of reason.
Faith is a direct contridiction to logic and rational thought.

This is not the way I live my life.

First off everything that we have been taught is faith. Math, Evolution, History. All based off what we have come to know as facts, when really it is just what society has accepted. I.E. (2+2=5) this could be true in the future, past, or present. I'm sure someone as educated as yourself has read 1984, and I think we are closer to that kind of society everyday. remember Freedom is Slavery. Nothing in this world can be proven to be fact, and that is something we just have to live with, I'm not saying science is bad, it is really helpful actually, but just because one method of doing something works doesn't mean it will allways work, and there aren't other ways of doing the same thing.

and as far has how you live your life, can you please tell me what a typical day in your life consist of?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Anybody who claims to have an idea of what that something might be is obviously lying. Its not possible to know.

My reasoning is that something must have created us.

Bread doesn't create itself. A baker creates bread. In the same token...life doesn't create itself. Something created life.


That's how I rationalize MY belief in God.

But you're jumping to the conclusion that a higher power did create everything. That's were I think it's irrational. Just because we lack certain information doesn't mean there must be a creator.

Also, if nothing can come from nothing as you state, then why rule out the possability that the universe has always existed, in one form or another?

The same arguement can also be said for regarding your creator...if nothing can come out of nothing, then something must have created the creator, and so on and so on.

 

[scandal]

Faith is irrational. Faith is the belief in something without or in spite of reason.
Faith is a direct contridiction to logic and rational thought.

just to add to my previous entry your definition of Logic and Rational thought is faith. all definitons of logic and rationality are based on the faith that logic and rationality are truth.

 

[scandal]

r-i-d-i-c-u-l-o-u-s


5000 :ermm:

just so u know you took my qoute out of context, and thats why it sounds ridiculous.

 

[Stealth]

So we've brought up the possibilities that:

1. We were created by a higher power (not necessarily a conscious being)
2. The universe has always existed, and we are a byproduct.
3. Nothing can come from nothing, and humans came from nothing.


I completely agree with your point that something must have created the creator. But it has to start somewhere.

I think my main point about all of this is that it is impossible to know...however it is just as LIKELY that we were created as it is that we were spawned from nothing.

But I think something being spawned from nothing is more of a copout than to say that something was created.

 

[JLMACN]

just so u know you took my qoute out of context, and thats why it sounds ridiculous.

Actually I took a COMPLETE statement from your context..

If you trully believe this.

We work for 90% of our lives trying to be educated and weathly, but when you die none of it will matter if you just cease to exist.

Then why do you live right now?

5000

 

[scandal]

But you're jumping to the conclusion that a higher power did create everything. That's were I think it's irrational. Just because we lack certain information doesn't mean there must be a creator.

The same argument can be used if we say, your jumping to the conclusion that a creator doesn't exist. just because we have certain information doesn't mean a) that information is truly correct and b) that information proves there is no creator. and I think its irrational that with the lack of information you still make the judgement that a creator does not exist.

 

[JLMACN]

^^^I read Moby Dick..

that must mean he exists too..

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