Brotha Lynch Hung & G-Macc - The Swastika Project [COVER]

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MysticOracle

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spice-1 had the "amerikkka's nightmare" album as well....

The History of the Swastika

The swastika is an extremely powerful symbol. The Nazis used it to murder millions of people, but for centuries it had positive meanings. What is the history of the swastika? Does it now represent good or evil?

The Oldest Known Symbol

The swastika is an ancient symbol that has been used for over 3,000 years. (That even predates the ancient Egyptian symbol, the Ankh!) Artifacts such as pottery and coins from ancient Troy show that the swastika was a commonly used symbol as far back as 1000 BCE.

During the following thousand years, the image of the swastika was used by many cultures around the world, including in China, Japan, India, and southern Europe. By the Middle Ages, the swastika was a well known, if not commonly used, symbol but was called by many different names:

China - wan
England - fylfot
Germany - Hakenkreuz
Greece - tetraskelion and gammadion
India - swastika
Though it is not known for exactly how long, Native Americans also have long used the symbol of the swastika.
The Original Meaning

The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix.

Until the Nazis used this symbol, the swastika was used by many cultures throughout the past 3,000 years to represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck.

Even in the early twentieth century, the swastika was still a symbol with positive connotations. For instance, the swastika was a common decoration that often adorned cigarette cases, postcards, coins, and buildings. During World War I, the swastika could even be found on the shoulder patches of the American 45th Division and on the Finnish air force until after World War II.

A Change in Meaning

In the 1800s, countries around Germany were growing much larger, forming empires; yet Germany was not a unified country until 1871. To counter the feeling of vulnerability and the stigma of youth, German nationalists in the mid-nineteenth century began to use the swastika, because it had ancient Aryan/Indian origins, to represent a long Germanic/Aryan history.

By the end of the nineteenth century, the swastika could be found on nationalist German volkisch periodicals and was the official emblem of the German Gymnasts' League.

In the beginning of the twentieth century, the swastika was a common symbol of German nationalism and could be found in a multitude of places such as the emblem for the Wandervogel, a German youth movement; on Joerg Lanz von Liebenfels' antisemitic periodical Ostara; on various Freikorps units; and as an emblem of the Thule Society.

Hitler and the Nazis

In 1920, Adolf Hitler decided that the Nazi Party needed its own insignia and flag. For Hitler, the new flag had to be "a symbol of our own struggle" as well as "highly effective as a poster." (Mein Kampf, pg. 495)

On August 7, 1920, at the Salzburg Congress, this flag became the official emblem of the Nazi Party.

In Mein Kampf, Hitler described the Nazis' new flag: "In red we see the social idea of the movement, in white the nationalistic idea, in the swastika the mission of the struggle for the victory of the Aryan man, and, by the same token, the victory of the idea of creative work, which as such always has been and always will be anti-Semitic." (pg. 496-497)

Because of the Nazis' flag, the swastika soon became a symbol of hate, antisemitism, violence, death, and murder.

What Does the Swastika Mean Now?

There is a great debate as to what the swastika means now. For 3,000 years, the swastika meant life and good luck. But because of the Nazis, it has also taken on a meaning of death and hate.

These conflicting meanings are causing problems in today's society. For Buddhists and Hindus, the swastika is a very religious symbol that is commonly used. Chirag Badlani shares a story about one time when he went to make some photocopies of some Hindu Gods for his temple. While standing in line to pay for the photocopies, some people behind him in line noticed that one of the pictures had a swastika. They called him a Nazi.

Unfortunately, the Nazis were so effective at their use of the swastika emblem, that many do not even know any other meaning for the swastika. Can there be two completely opposite meanings for one symbol?

In ancient times, the direction of the swastika was interchangeable as can be seen on an ancient Chinese silk drawing.

Some cultures in the past had differentiated between the clockwise swastika and the counter-clockwise sauvastika. In these cultures the swastika symbolized health and life while the sauvastika took on a mystical meaning of bad-luck or misfortune.

But since the Nazis use of the swastika, some people are trying to differentiate the two meanings of the swastika by varying its direction - trying to make the clockwise, Nazi version of the swastika mean hate and death while the counter-clockwise version would hold the ancient meaning of the symbol, life and good-luck.


i dont agree with the use of a now known symbol of hate also i believe the cover actually depicts the hate swastika rather than the positive.. even using the third Reich eagle symbol is in poor taste for me. i would expect this type of cover from a german metal band but not from lynch.....hopefully there is a meaning or purpose as to why
 
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straight up I dig SOTS. that is the only lynch album I got but truth be told personally with me if I see a fuckin swastika, shit is over the top. That sign is offensive not to just jews but blacks also. I am speakin for myself (my name is Self) and not for my crew(LIve Manikins) but that shit is fucked up. I seen heads brought that to oak park and they didnt leave walkin. So you tellin me if some heads put KKK's on the front, you wont get offended??? fuck outta here kid ain't no one going to disrespect the black community or jewish comminuty and make a parody of it, straight up honest so I will not be supportin his music. one
Maybe you need to look up the history of the swastika before you go all ape shit over it. Here is a hint: the Nazi's didn't invent it.

EDIT: Nevermind, i didn't see MysticOracle's post above mine.
 
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^^ i know my history. I will be straight up with you on the history tip. Many symbols when first made was not made intended to mean hate. Yet once certain symbols are changed to that meaning, you cannot shake it. Me personally (I am speaking for myself and not my crew) if I see a swastika or a confederate flag, I am offended. My family is offended. When I was growing up in oak park that is what was taught to me. I have been ran up on by racist lowlifes most of my life with either a swastika or a confederate flag on there truck in sacramento too much to take this lightly. So I will not support. You can still do what you want, I am not hating but personally with me I am offended
 
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some of you are hella funny to me...rap has always talked about and glorified senseless killing. lynch, in particular, talks about cannibalism, satanism, and killing infants. you are on a web site which is called the siccness, which is directly related to this glorification of baby-eating...and now, like some fucking sheep, you are just disgusted with their decision to put a swastika on their album cover?? granted, this is definitely a nazi swastika...but like someone said, the symbol has had a POSITIVE connotation for THOUSANDS of years, and was only used as a negative symbol for a couple years, 60 years ago.

both my grandfathers recieved multiple medals in world war 2 fighting the nazis...some of my great uncles died in battle. i hate the nazis and everything they stood for. but this is music, it's full of metaphor and symbolism. if you think that this album is a promotion of nazi mentality, you're fucking weeeetarded. use your fucking heads.
 
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Its a lil ridiculous to be offended by a symbol when the intent is obviously not in any way shape or form racist or Anti-Semitic...Its all marketing anyway....its a dumb idea to use a Swastika on tha cover but all that matters is the message being conveyed through the musicc...

"I leave symbols to the symbol minded" - George Carlin
 
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Using the Swastika is just the same as the baby guts...its a marketing tool that will create buzz....look it just did.

I was taught the Swastika b4 the Nazi's fucked it up was a symbol taqken from the chinese meaning eternal power and thats why Hitler stole it...who knows?

What I do know is that its 2010 not the early 1900's.

Yall gettin mad about the use of this Symbol just seems fake as fuck 2 me,wuz yall there> NO.
Now I met an old jewish couple once so I took it seriously by covering up all my tattoos,but 4 yall 2 get offended by this just seems like somebody tryin 2 stand up 4 sumthin because they want 2 be a good person without really knowing what the fuck they talkin bout...they just say look its no good n dont want nothin 2 do with it afterwords...It reminds me of the civillian nieghborhood who gossips n deems the weed dealer a bad guy cuz weed illegal...or the racist who's racist just because he feels right bein a racist...I try n keep and open mind.

Mystic Oracle again good post I usually enjoy/respect yr input.
 
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What I do know is that its 2010 not the early 1900's.
Oops. Now you need some history lessons.

Some of you are putting too many words into other people's mouths. I haven't noticed anyone say anything about G-Macc or BTL glorifying Nazi culture or shit like that. What I and other people mean is that using this symbol as a marketing tool is a straight up dumb move. I personally won't support artists who are either bold enough to do something like that (bold meaning disrespectful in this context) or ignorant enough for not knowing that this little symbol (used together with German eagle which MEAN Nazi, Hitler type of shit, no Buddha or Hindu as some of you wish) still means a lot to people still living, who've been through this hell.

In my opinion there's a difference between random "fuck the police" and a straight "fuck detective John Smith from this and this precinct" statement, you know what I mean? This is exactly how I see the difference between "I kill babies and lotsa people" type of shit and real-life, not-forgotten swastika bullshit. Yep, my 2 cents.
 
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LOL what? are you covered by racist tats or somethin?
HAHAHA C'mon now...

The Germans used 2 tattoo or mark the jews with numbers on there wrists in the camps where theyed line up the jews 2 burn.

They don't like any kind of tattoo n when they seen mine in pics they kinda mentioned it 2 somebody...so I made sure 2 cover them up outta respect.

I'm covered in Tattoos but I'm about the furthest thing away from a racist on the planet...Every human being has good and bad charecteristics 2 be a racist is just 2 be blind.
 
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Oops. Now you need some history lessons.

Some of you are putting too many words into other people's mouths. I haven't noticed anyone say anything about G-Macc or BTL glorifying Nazi culture or shit like that. What I and other people mean is that using this symbol as a marketing tool is a straight up dumb move. I personally won't support artists who are either bold enough to do something like that (bold meaning disrespectful in this context) or ignorant enough for not knowing that this little symbol (used together with German eagle which MEAN Nazi, Hitler type of shit, no Buddha or Hindu as some of you wish) still means a lot to people still living, who've been through this hell.

In my opinion there's a difference between random "fuck the police" and a straight "fuck detective John Smith from this and this precinct" statement, you know what I mean? This is exactly how I see the difference between "I kill babies and lotsa people" type of shit and real-life, not-forgotten swastika bullshit. Yep, my 2 cents.
I feel ya man n thats good shit...I can respect somebody who lives by standreds n morals.
But over here in America things like this are made fun of on TV like everyday...theres lots of racist humor and people are becoming more n more open about it because we would rather laugh at it than fight about it.
If it's no laughing matter 2 you than I respect it n dont intend on pushing any ways upon you...but its in the past n thats where I let the hate stay.
I don't take alot of things maybe as seriously as I should...thats just me n a whole lot of people.
I'm here 2 be entertained and when I see somthing used like this I think its smart.

It's in your face and makes you think....it also lets you know how much passion is there...hate is a very strong feeling...powerful.
Now maybe its still 2 soon over there I mean if your in Poland I can see why this shit aint no joke.
But this was long b4 my time and across the other side of the world.
I like 2 make fun and light because i'm happy go lucky I dont need 2 take sumthing so serious that I never experianced or ever will.

Thats why jokes are made so it doesnt fuck with yr soul.

I got 1 4 ya...you ever wonder who the fastest readers in the world ever were?

Well Im not exactly sure but I heard the victims of 911 did a hundred stories in about 10 seconds!!?

Again another tastless joke but none the less i'm entertained.
 

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The story behind The Mixtape is that G-Macc and Madesicc want to be killing all of the competition in Sacramento. Hitler style. It is more of a statement like when Nas said hip hop is dead. Just like Lynch was really talking about abortion not really eating babies and things like that.

It is subliminal just like the Season album.
I say this again. This is the story behind it. I respect everyone's view though.
 

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Oops. Now you need some history lessons.

Some of you are putting too many words into other people's mouths. I haven't noticed anyone say anything about G-Macc or BTL glorifying Nazi culture or shit like that. What I and other people mean is that using this symbol as a marketing tool is a straight up dumb move. I personally won't support artists who are either bold enough to do something like that (bold meaning disrespectful in this context) or ignorant enough for not knowing that this little symbol (used together with German eagle which MEAN Nazi, Hitler type of shit, no Buddha or Hindu as some of you wish) still means a lot to people still living, who've been through this hell.

In my opinion there's a difference between random "fuck the police" and a straight "fuck detective John Smith from this and this precinct" statement, you know what I mean? This is exactly how I see the difference between "I kill babies and lotsa people" type of shit and real-life, not-forgotten swastika bullshit. Yep, my 2 cents.

lol you sound like a lil bitch...

this album is gonna be heated just like all the other g-macc albums, your not even gonna listen to it because it has a stupid nazi symbol on the cover? who gives a shit about the cover... the music is whats important. dont judge a book by its cover
 
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lol you sound like a lil bitch...

this album is gonna be heated just like all the other g-macc albums, your not even gonna listen to it because it has a stupid nazi symbol on the cover? who gives a shit about the cover... the music is whats important. dont judge a book by its cover
exactly

this shit gonna be a free download anyway so its not like niggas gotta look at the coverb art the cover probaly wont even be in the file. . lol
 
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The story behind The Mixtape is that G-Macc and Madesicc want to be killing all of the competition in Sacramento. Hitler style. It is more of a statement like when Nas said hip hop is dead. Just like Lynch was really talking about abortion not really eating babies and things like that.

It is subliminal just like the Season album.
EXACTLY!! all this shit has metaphoric meanings and if your dumb ass doesn't understand metaphors then WHAT THE FUCK are you doing listening to music in the first place. art in general has much to do with metaphors, whether it's in the form a a poem, a painting, a song, etc.
 

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I am not going to argue either. Everyone is entitled to there own opinion. I understand and respect where you are coming from. And I told you where we are coming from it is just a metaphor for the movement of the Mixtape.

Just like Nas wanted to call his album Nigger. And it got pulled this is going to be a free release anyway. It's not like it so going to stores or anything like that. Just Shock Value and strong subliminal statement Marilyn Manson type shit.

It is all good though bro no beef over here.
 
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I WANT SUM FUCKIN BEEF FUCK PEACE!!!!! HAND ME A SWASTIKA THROWING STAR N A FUCKIN GRENADE IM A HATEFUL SON OF A BITCH AND I DONT GIVE A FUCK.

NO RACIST JUS EBK ALL DAY ALRYT SIR SO FUCK PEACE SET YRSELF ON FIRE WASH YR MOUTH OUT WITH BUCKSHOT N I HOPE SOMEBODY CHUCKS BATTERY AT YR FUCKIN FACE SO FUCK YOU HOP IN A CASKET AND GET YOUR DIE ON BITCH.