Boxing News Thread

2-0-Sixx · Feb 19, 2016

Age in boxing is irrelevant it's about what kind of fights you had. Canelo is ONLY 25 but he's a 10 year veteran, for example.

Broner was a favorite to beat Maidana. Maidana hadn't looked good in previous fights against good opponents. Hell, I incorrectly thought it was a bit of a cherry pick fight myself and that was a popular view in the boxing community and media at the time. What we found is that Broner just isn't that good and dominated the lower weight class opponents because he was so massively bigger than everyone.

Algeiri is a safe fight. He has no power, he's a decent boxer that's it so it's not that risky for Spence and it's a good way to see where he's at.

Algeiri also isn't all that experienced. Remember, he was a kickboxer and later transitioned to boxing. Spence probably has more experience as a boxer.

2-0-Sixx · Feb 19, 2016

Oscar De La Hoya, Jerry Jones Meet To Discuss Canelo-Golovkin - Boxing News

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Loeffler says Golovkin has contract to fight Canelo-Khan winner

“It’s not a verbal. Everything is in writing, signed by our side, by the Golden Boy side and the WBC,” Loeffler said to fighthype.com. “We have a good relationship with Golden Boy and a lot of respect for Canelo. It was part of allowing the voluntary defence they requested.”

“Everything is mandated. The winner of Canelo v Khan has 15 days to commit to fighting Gennady or not. If they commit then we’ll start negotiating to put that fight together,” Loeffler said. “It’s so hard to get an opponent in the ring with Gennady. If I stopped working with certain people, it’d be even less.”

Loeffler says Golovkin has contract to fight Canelo-Khan winner

battle619 · Feb 19, 2016

2-0-Sixx said:

I see your point, but I think the combination of both PLUS timing can make it dangerous. Canelo was what, 23 when he fought Floyd? At a catchweight and very young. Maidana wasn't all that and Broner was the favorite, but Maidana peaked after finding motivation by training with Robert Garcia. His experience along with that allowed Maidana to just dominate. That allowed Maidana to perform well vs Floyd in the first fight as well. He was experienced enough and was in his comfort zone. I really like Earl and I don't want him to lose vs Algieri, the same way I didn't like Broner moving up so quick to make him a ppv star when he wasn't ready.

battle619 · Feb 19, 2016

@2-0-Sixx I just saw that. This place is where I felt the Floyd vs Manny fight should have been at. We get to see an event that us as fans have a greater chance of attending live and max out in the gate at the same time. Great for both fans and fighters.

2-0-Sixx · Feb 19, 2016

battle619 said:

Well he's not going to lose to Algeiri. This guy gets hurt/beat by 140 pounders, Spence is a big guy can easily be a 154 pound fighter. There isn't much risk here. What's the worst that can happen? Lose a close decision? He can recover, anyone can recover from losing a decision especially somewhat early in his career. He won't get hurt that's for sure. Really what this is is a name on his resume, experience against a former champion and a stepping stone to bigger things.

Likewise with Canelo, what was the worst that could happen fighting Floyd? Losing a boring decision? Well worth the massive payday and American exposure obviously. Yeah he was 23 years old but an 8 year vet and you simply do not pass on an opportunity like that, really not comparable. Plus losing to Floyd never really is a career killer, everyone was expected to lose to him.

2-0-Sixx · Feb 19, 2016

battle619 said:

Yeah but you were all about "building the fight" in this thread. The only time for this fight is coming soon, Golovkin isn't going to wait anymore and he'll move on after getting the belt stripped from Canelo.

2-0-Sixx · Feb 19, 2016

Bradley entering camp nice and slim I see:

TrEmEnDo InDo · Feb 20, 2016

De la Hoyas interview after his meeting with Jerry jones sounds just like he has every intention to avoid ggg and " let the fight build" . Chump.

I hope ggg moves on with the wbcbelt, and Canelo is left struggling to make weight fighting for his life against Jermell Charlo.

naner12 · Feb 20, 2016

2-0-Sixx said:

I hate how boxing is covered by people that if you lose your career is done with. Obviously being undefeated is a great thing and losing seems like the end of the world when it happens, but there's an insane amount of examples of guys who had amazing careers after getting their heads knocked off early.

CZAR · Feb 20, 2016

battle619 said:

Spence is gonna destroy Algieri lol. Foo please.....Got Em!!

2-0-Sixx said:

That would be hilarious if its Khan vs GGG. Make sure to have paramedics on standby lol. Got Em!!

heyzel · Feb 20, 2016

Dan Rafael chat wrap 2/19:

- Ticket info likely next week for Canelo-Khan. The contract for T-Mobile arena as the venue was finalized today.
- Canelo vs. Khan 750k PPV buys? Picking the under, but it could be close.
- Spence vs. Algieri is a good fight. Thinks Spence makes a statement.
- Spoke with Arum yesterday and said that Manny's anti-gay comments could affect sponsorship for the Pacquiao-Bradley fight. Sponsorship is a fraction of the overall revenue, so it shouldn't be a huge deal.
- Found what Manny said to be offensive. He his allowed to have those views, but when you voice them as a public persona you must deal with the consequences.
- Could Manny lose political standing in the Phillipines because of his comments? Doubts it, a lot of people there agree with those views.
- No one has hurt their image more than Pacquiao has in the last year.
- The plan is for Kovalev vs. Ward to be a PPV.
- Say what you will about Martin being a HW champ, but he deserves respect for going to the UK to fight Joshua.
- Is it too soon for Joshua to take this fight? You could say the same for Martin. Believes the fight ends in a KO.
- Showtime is finishing the deal to secure the rights to show Joshua vs. Martin.
- Doubtful the winner of Joshua vs. Martin fights Ortiz.
- Donaire's KO of Montiel was his KO of the year for 2011 (brought up as it is the 5 year anniversary).
- Canelo vs. GGG is the biggest and most exciting fight in boxing.
- Will GGG vs. Canelo happen this fall? Never truly believed it would. Remaining skeptical and hopeful.
- GGG tried to make a fight with Sergio Martinez, but Martinez/DiBella didn't want to make that fight (it was when Sergio was older and fading).
- GGG vs. 2011 Sergio? GGG by KO.
- Chudinov vs. Sturm? Chudinov.
- Yvon Michel told him recently that Stevenson's next fight will be against Fonfa or Elieder Alvarez.
- Kovalev and GGG will be in the boxing HOF? Too soon to say. Both are in progress building a case.
- Doubt we ever see Kovalev vs. GGG.
- Who is the best at 168 now that Ward is gone? DeGale and Abraham. We will see what happens with Abraham vs. Ramirez.
- Arum says he would like to make Lomachenko vs. Walters, but HBO has not committed to the fight and have not committed to buying Lomachenko's next fight regardless of opponent.
- Arum wants to make a double header on HBO with Lomachenko vs. Walters and also have Postol vs. Granados on the broadcast.
- How drunk will English fight fans be for Frampton vs. Quigg on a scale of 1-10? 15.
- Chances of Cotto vs. Brook? Zero.
- Wilder and Povetkin are in the process of negotiating. Likely will take place in Brooklyn.
- HOF for Winky, Sergio, Kessler, Chris John? Yes for Winky and Sergio, no for Kessler and John.
- Ali vs. Vargas is a sneaky good fight.
- Theophane shouldn't be ranked in the top 25. Bad fight.
- If Margarito wins, there is no chance of a Cotto trilogy.
- Crossing fingers that Salido vs. Vargas gets finalized.
- Danny Garcia vs. the winner of Thurman/Porter? Believes it is a fight Haymon would make and it would be a big fight.
- RJJ vs. SRL? At what weight...RJJ was bigger and faster than Ray. RJJ would handle him fairly easily.
- If he could have a piece of boxing history on video what would it be? SRR's prime welterweight fights and full fights of Harry Greb.
- The European fighters Haymon signs are guys who want to fight in the US. Don't expect Haymon to be branching out globally any time soon. He is still working on building domestically.
- Better puncher: GGG or Kovalev? One punch KO power, Kovalev.
- Jack vs. JCC on April 30th is still a possibility.
- Has seen fights he believed were fixed, but would not say so without proof.
- Believes that Floyd will promote some fights with his guys and Hearn's guys in the UK.
- Hearns vs. RJJ? RJJ by gargantuan KO.
- Who is the best drinker among boxers? Duran.
- Klitschko vs. Fury rematch doesn't have a date, but likely in June.
- Believes the ref was correct in DQ'ing RJJ vs. Griffin.
- Hearns vs. Winky at 154? A really good fight.
- Best ever at 154? Many would view it as Mike McCallum.
- Thoughts on the DC Armory as a venue? Older venue, not ideal, but solid. Unless you can get a seat in the first few rows, you are probably better taking a slightly less expensive ticket to sit in the raised seats a little further away.
- Tarver's failed drug test put doubt into his victories over RJJ.
- Feels ashamed he picked Joppy to beat Trinidad.
- Grade for the CBS SportsNet matches tonight? F.
- Matthysse vs. Herrera is not finalized.
- Klitschko is really funny, but most people don't get to see it.
- Favorite memories of Johnny Tapia is the time he spent with him outside of the ring. He was a really nice guy.
- Least accomplished 3 time champ: LSC or Broner? Broner. LSC beat Mares and some solid contenders. Broner has beaten DeMarco.

TrEmEnDo InDo · Feb 20, 2016

Complete coincidence, I was just looking for Omar Cruz new song on Youtube and came across these...

I never knew about this. @ 2-0-sixx My bad if you already posted this before.

I like the "big drama show" hook on the second one.
That GGG mural in the background is hard as fuck too.
MExican style.

one more....he said Rick Flaire robe lol...

2-0-Sixx · Feb 20, 2016

heyzel said:

I'm not buying for one second HBO is not committed lmao Arum trying to be slick and get more money from HBO by telling the media he's shopping around to other networks.

battle619 · Feb 21, 2016

^^^ it all depends on how you see it. If Haymon does do more business with HBO then that means all fights and fighters have to be shopped around. Especially now that Manny is retiring, TR has no ppv star in the near future and will need to promote his fighters heavily. I do see Showtime paying more for Loma vs Walters than what HBO would offer. I truly hope that is the case because this cold war BS has to stop.

battle619 · Feb 21, 2016

CZAR said:

Spence is gonna destroy Algieri lol. Foo please.....Got Em!!

I truly hope so, as I like Spence. If he's gonna lose, not vs Algieri. Not now at least

battle619 · Feb 21, 2016

naner12 said:

It depends on how you see it. When there is bad match-making going on or just meaningless fights, then of course it's bad to worry about an undefeated record. With Spence, Jr., he has less than 20 wins and to get a win over Algieri will put him in title contention. I would say 2 to 3 more fights and it's all good. But timing and promoting is everything.

naner12 · Feb 21, 2016

Looks like Wilder Vs. Povetkin is going to a purse bid.
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w it gets really interesting. As talks have "failed" between the two camps, WBC heavyweight titleholder Deontay Wilder and mandatory challenger Alexander Povetkin are now headed to purse bid, and there's every reason to believe that Povetkin's team will win this, even though Wilder's adviser Al Haymon is considered boxing's biggest power broker.

It's true that Haymon has deep pockets and controls a large part of boxing in the United States, and thus a large part of the biggest fights out there with the biggest names. Povetkin's team, however, has a lot of money behind it for big fights. In 2013, their team put up a record $23 million purse bid to win the rights to a mandatory fight with Wladimir Klitschko, and they brought the fight to Moscow. Klitschko won, of course, but the point is that Povetkin's team has a lot of money.

This has been one of those things we've talked about since this fight was made mandatory. If Povetkin's team wins the purse bid, will Wilder (36-0, 35 KO) agree with the terms to go to Russia, where Povetkin (30-1, 22 KO) and his handlers would no doubt want the fight?

On the one hand, Wilder's style is to knock out opponents, and any fear of crooked scoring seems relatively minimal with him. But he went 12 rounds with Bermane Stiverne, and Povetkin is better than Stiverne. He would be by far the best overall fighter that Wilder has faced to date, in fact. This is a new challenge for Wilder.

There has been some concern among many that if this fight went to purse bid, and Povetkin's side won it, that Wilder and his team would choose to vacate the belt instead of going to Russia. Those concerns were amplified when Charles Martin, another Haymon fighter, won the IBF belt in January. The feeling was that with that belt in their camp, Wilder could vacate and fight Charles Martin to go after another belt immediately. But with Martin now fighting Anthony Joshua on April 9, that isn't an immediate possibility, either.

Of course, all of this is speculation. There is still time before the purse bid actually happens, and the sides could come to a late agreement. Haymon could win the purse bid. If they don't, Wilder might head over to Russia, anyway, feeling totally secure in his power and his chances to win. But boxing is a business, as we are constantly reminded whenever things nobody wants are given to us for reasons that aren't interesting for mere fans of the sport. We'll just have to wait and see how this plays out, but one way or another, hopefully we get this fight.
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Wilder would get a large chunk of whatever money if it ends up being decided by a purse bid. I see a lot of people saying they won't let him go to Russia but I'd find it hard to believe they'd pass 70% of potentially 20M+.

2-0-Sixx · Feb 21, 2016

I don't think Wilder will go to Russia for any kind of money tbh. And if that's the case Povetkin needs to come to America and fight the champion in his home country if he wants the belt he's gotta do whatever it takes imo.

naner12 · Feb 22, 2016

2-0-Sixx said:

I'm sure he will if Haymon wins the purse bid and brings the fight here Povetkin will come. If Povetkin's camp wins the purse bid then Wilder can go to Russia and get stripped if they don't want to meet the terms.

WBC has some weird rules on the splits but it's normally 70/30 to the champion. If say Povetkin's camp bids $20M, it'd be ridiculous for Haymon/DiBella to pass up on 14M to not go to Russia.

2-0-Sixx · Feb 22, 2016

That's true and I think they will almost certainly outbid Haymon, that Russian dude I can't remember his name at the moment throws around absurd amounts of cash.

I still don't think Wilder will do it. He's been on record saying he won't go to Russia and already seemed paranoid about Povetkin and PEDs, like saying he will demand a sperm test lol. So I can imagine him and his team being very untrustworthy of Russia since unfortunately Russia boxing has had numerous scandals over the past few years and corruption at the highest level. They probably think they can make more money over time, maybe even drop the belt and go after Joshua/Martin (seems likely sadly). This is where I would disagree with Povetkin- if Wilder is unwilling to travel and is willing to drop the belt, I'd much rather see him simply fight in America and try to win the belt versus simply being elevated champion. If the table's were turned I'd say the same about Wilder too (he would need to travel to win the belt).

Hopefully it gets worked out though, truly a great fight.

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