Boxing News Thread

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Boxer Mikey Garcia has agreed to dismiss three of his causes of action against promoter Top Rank. The stipulation to dismiss his claims avoids a summary judgment motion brought by his promoter in a dispute over his fight contract.

Garcia’s attorneys and Top Rank attorneys stipulated to dismissal of 3 claims that were at issue in Top Rank’s motion filed last month. The dismissed claims related to issues that Garcia alleged were in violation of California law. The case of removed (i.e., transferred) out of state court and sent to federal court in Nevada.

Garcia still has a claim under the Muhammad Ali Act pending.

 

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[HERESY]

See, this is what I'm saying. You see niggas trying to leave TR, Golden Boy, Don King, but not one person is trying to shake Al Haymon.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

See, this is what I'm saying. You see niggas trying to leave TR, Golden Boy, Don King, but not one person is trying to shake Al Haymon.

because he's a manager not a promoter. I see a lot of fighters signing contracts then have the grass is always greener on the other side mentality. And as a result they are sitting on the sidelines having court cases instead of fighting when they are the ones that signed the contract in the first place. Andre Ward, Mikey Garcia, Chavez, these guys need to fight

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I still say this is one of the greatest displays of boxing in the past 25 years or so. That Hopkins on that night could take on the best middleweights of any era Hagler, Monzon, etc, anyone of them would have had their hands full with that version of Bhop who was at his absolute peak, physically and mentally.

 

[battle619]

Mikey Garcia lost big money this year. 1 was a fight with Gamboa, which he could have won, and another from a possible Crawford fight, BIG MONEY! In his division, who else would have he fought that is not TR or under HBO that would have made him big money. Let's say he did sign with Haymon and went to Showtime, he would have gotten the same amount of money to fighter a less worthy opponent, but he would have fought only once and Showtime would not try to do what it takes to make him fight a Broner, Danny Garcia, or whoever. Now, let's say he went to GBP, he only would have gotten HBO money if he was not under Haymon. He lost bigtime and now has no choice but to move up to 140 to make money

 

[2-0-Sixx]

He potentially could have got a Pacquiao fight too since Pac is moving down to 140. It was something Bob Arum was talking about in the past as a possible scenario.

Not sure what his options will be like with Al Haymon. The road of least resistance, I'm sure.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

Lol@ being mad at fighters handling their money situation. These guys aren't gladiators in roman times, let them handle their business and get their money right. They fight to make a living, not please all the critics.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Lol@ being mad at fighters handling their money situation. These guys aren't gladiators in roman times, let them handle their business and get their money right. They fight to make a living, not please all the critics.

who's mad?

Nothing wrong with discussing a fighter's career and speculating What moves they are going to make, what those moves will bring for them, etc. especially considering if a particular fighter signs to X company, that means potential fights with certain fighters cannot happen. So yeah, it's relevant to know what these guys do because it changes the landscape of whatever division they are in.

I think it's completely legit to criticize someone like Andre Ward who quite frankly is wasting the prime of his career by fighting (unsuccessfully) outside the ring instead of inside the ring. This is a guy who hasn't fought in a year, and before that only fought once in all of 2013. Compare that to 49 year old Bernard Hopkins who after tonight will have fought 5 times in the same amount of time. Ward certainly isn't making money by not fighting either. The critisms of his decisions are valid.

 

[battle619]

I think Mikey is gonna get the Manny fight tho. I think he's officially submitted paperwork for his next fight to be at 140. He's gonna get beat the fuck up.

 

[naner12]

Lol@ being mad at fighters handling their money situation. These guys aren't gladiators in roman times, let them handle their business and get their money right. They fight to make a living, not please all the critics.

I can't speak for anyone else here on how they feel about the situation with Haymon or anything like that, but I'll never begrudge a man for making his money. What's upsetting is the system that's in place that allows guys champions to defend their belts against guys that shouldn't be in the ring with them and rewards them with a large payday for said fights.

I will say this is not a new phenomenon in boxing, but it still doesn't make it right. SRL, for all his greatness, as a champion defended his belt(s) against guys like Larry Bonds and Bruce Fitch. Two guys that should never have been allowed to set foot in the ring with him, with neither man ever winning any kind of meaningful fight before and after fighting SRL. But at least Sugar Ray chased greatness and big fights, something these guys seem reluctant to do.

I don't think we should confuse wanting good fights to be made with being upset at fighters making money.

 

[HERESY]

because he's a manager not a promoter. I see a lot of fighters signing contracts then have the grass is always greener on the other side mentality. And as a result they are sitting on the sidelines having court cases instead of fighting when they are the ones that signed the contract in the first place. Andre Ward, Mikey Garcia, Chavez, these guys need to fight

Doesn't matter if he is a manager, a trainer, a doctor, a shaman or a waterboy, the point is, you don't see many people trying to shake him. You see many people trying to shake everyone else, even their own relatives but not too many people trying to shake Haymon. I found one person, Andre Dirrell, and he had nothing but good things to say even after he left. Then guess what? He re-signed with Haymon, LOL!

 

[battle619]

But all these signings are as of recent. All of them losing money is as of this year. You think they wil be okay with losing money for another year?

 

[HERESY]

But all these signings are as of recent. All of them losing money is as of this year. You think they wil be okay with losing money for another year?

Dirrell left in 2012. He re-signed after leaving SMS or TMT, forget which one I saw. Resigned with Haymon in either April or August of this year.

Right now Haymon has enough fighters under contract to start his own fighting company. Period. I can see him doing that.

 

[battle619]

But he won't be able to. Then he would be writing checks and he don't want thatc

 

[HERESY]

But he won't be able to. Then he would be writing checks and he don't want thatc

How the hell do you know what he is or isn't able to do?

 

[battle619]

Cuz he would have done that already. All these "Golden Boy" fighters came and said they aren't GB fighters still fought under GBP. Now he signed one from Top Rank and thinks he can get him out of that one but only time will tell. And if he doesn't JCC will not fight for another full year cuz of lawsuits meaning he will lose money too.

 

[HERESY]

Cuz he would have done that already. All these "Golden Boy" fighters came and said they aren't GB fighters still fought under GBP. Now he signed one from Top Rank and thinks he can get him out of that one but only time will tell. And if he doesn't JCC will not fight for another full year cuz of lawsuits meaning he will lose money too.

You ain't making no goddamn sense whatsoever.

 

[battle619]

He can't just sign fighters to "his" company. He has no company. You said Haymon has enough fighters to start a company but he won't do it. He can't do it

 

[HERESY]

He can't just sign fighters to "his" company. He has no company. You said Haymon has enough fighters to start a company but he won't do it. He can't do it

Actually he does have some type of company as there would be no way for him to do what he does and not get hit by the IRS.

Yes he has enough fighters to start his own promotion company or boxing league. You are saying he won't do it and can't do it but you have no proof of either. There is, however, proof of Haymon going in his own direction, shaping the landscape of boxing and looking outside of the sho/hbo markets. Simply saying "he can't do it" and whatever elaw you are saying doesn't line up with the facts.