Boxing News Thread

  • Wanna Join? New users you can now register lightning fast using your Facebook or Twitter accounts.

Tony

Sicc OG
May 15, 2002
13,183
970
113
42
Broner would hurt Manny, seriously. They may not let Manny fight against black fighters anymore. Bradley already beat him and Bradley didn't have much on his punches with two hurt feet.

Manny is done, they're going to have to cherry pick his next fight.

If you're going to fight Cotto, fight Cotto at the full weight like Floyd did...
 

CZAR

Sicc OG
Aug 25, 2003
7,275
1,375
0
47
No don't calm down at all try to get that big fight with Manny. Broner will have a good chance against Manny too. The Manny that fought Mosley, Marquez and Bradley can't cut-off the ring, is a sucker for counter punching, and only fights the last minute of every round. Broner is faster then all those guys and he has good stamina. Plus the x-factor is Broner punching power, he KO'ed a guy the Ghost couldn't. Manny has stamina problems after the 9th round and he can't hit a moving target. I say Broner should push for the fight ASAP. 22yrs old and your first loss is against Manny, or 22yrs old and you beat Manny. A win win for Broner.
Broner would destroy Manny period! Broner is ready! The only fighter Im not sure he would beat is Money May and that would be a good fight. Broner is very smart for his age and his talents are off the charts! Manny dont want it right now or anytime with Broner trust me! Got Em!!
 
Dec 9, 2005
11,518
31
0
36
You guys are sure confident in a guy who hasn't faced anyone even in the same hemisphere as Manny.

I like Broner, but he is still green at the professional level.

Ease up off of his nuts a bit fellas.
 

CZAR

Sicc OG
Aug 25, 2003
7,275
1,375
0
47
You guys are sure confident in a guy who hasn't faced anyone even in the same hemisphere as Manny.

I like Broner, but he is still green at the professional level.

Ease up off of his nuts a bit fellas.
As soon as u ease off Manny's little nuts haha. Got Em!!
 
May 13, 2002
50,056
47,806
113
39
Seattle
www.socialistworld.net
lol u guys are off the chains with this broner talk. u realize broner hasn't beat a single good fighter yet? not too mention he has TWO questionable decisions on his record where many feel he lost. buying into the hype prematurely. he ain't floyd. floyd never almost lost twice at his age, floyd was whoopin champions.
 
Feb 3, 2006
3,426
855
113
38
You guys are sure confident in a guy who hasn't faced anyone even in the same hemisphere as Manny.

I like Broner, but he is still green at the professional level.

Ease up off of his nuts a bit fellas.
Let's keep it real if you're not weight drained coming into the fight Manny great punching power goes away, his hand speed slows down, and he's easy to hit. Broner has a better boxing skillset and way more punching power then Bradley so I give him a great chance.

I would love to see Berto vs Manny
 
May 13, 2002
50,056
47,806
113
39
Seattle
www.socialistworld.net
The weight makes a difference, believing otherwise is simpy foolish.
It's foolish to think 1 pound lost cotto the fight and it's foolish to disregard skills & styles make fights. If cotto had to come down 10-15 pounds then yeah, maybe that's a big problem,but one pound ain't shit. Boxing isn't rocket science most of the time. Usually you look at both of the fighters skill-sets, and their styles and you can accurately predict who is going to win. Pacquiao beats Cotto at any weight from 140 to 154 not because of size (duh they are basically the same size) but because pac is a terrible style for Cotto to handle.

Did Pernell Whitaker, who came down 5 pounds to fight Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. struggle with the weight, or did he box the shit out of Chavez? Did Hopkins who moved down four pounds to fight Oscar struggle with the weight or did he knock him out? Did Hopkins, who moved down 5 pounds to fight Kelly Pavlik struggle with the weight or did he box the shit out of Pavlik? Seems like there is double standard here or a bias.

Throughout history, it's almost always the bigger guys who come down in weight who win the fight. Yet somehow when smaller Pac wins, he's criticized for beating the bigger men and new terms like "weight drained" are applied. One pound weight drained cotto, really? Why didn't 4-5 pounds weight drain Whitaker & Hopkins? Hmm, maybe it's because Whitaker was 10X better than Chavez sr ever was and Hopkins was 10x a fighter than Oscar ever was. Add to that Whitaker was a nightmare of a style for Chavez and so was Hopkins to Oscar (and Pac to Cotto).

Rather than discrediting wins over a measly pound, analyze the fighters. Analyze the styles, analyze their skill-sets, their strengths, their weaknesses. By doing this it's really easy to see why these guys won, despite any weight differences.
 

CZAR

Sicc OG
Aug 25, 2003
7,275
1,375
0
47
lol u guys are off the chains with this broner talk. u realize broner hasn't beat a single good fighter yet? not too mention he has TWO questionable decisions on his record where many feel he lost. buying into the hype prematurely. he ain't floyd. floyd never almost lost twice at his age, floyd was whoopin champions.
This is the guy that's going to beat pac? LMAO! Watch this video and tell me this guy beats Pac (or any other top welterweight)

[video=youtube;6VK_qSZBwa8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VK_qSZBwa8[/video]
Dude dont get mad because we all dont think Pac is the greatest like yourself! Obvious some of us feel that Broner would beat Pac. Also how are u gonna show a video of a fight that is 16 fights old in Broner's career? Broner has vastly improved and evolved since then and is much better now. This foo showing us a fight from 2009 haha. To funny! Got Em!!
 
May 13, 2002
50,056
47,806
113
39
Seattle
www.socialistworld.net
Oscar's one catchweight fight against B-Hop
Don't forget Oscar vs Stevie Forbes, Oscar vs Gatti....

You're missing the point completely if you can fight Oscar at 147lb with no problem in 2008, then why a year later is it a problem to fight Cotto at 147lb in 2009
As I said Pac weighed 142 pounds against Oscar, then of course he immediately went back down to 140. He never established himself as a welterweight until he beat Cotto.


then to make matters wrost Manny still wants a catchweight against a guy (Cotto) that he already TKO at a catchweight.
Manny tried to make Cotto 2 for his June 2012 fight at a 148lb catchweight but Cotto turned it down and said that he would not risk his health with another catchweight fight..
Ironic since Cotto made Margarito fight him at a catchweight in the rematch (at 153 but Cotto originally wanted 150). So he'll fight Margarito at 150, but not Pacquiao....

Their is no agenda the fact speaks for themselves all of the hype and credit the Manny fans have given Manny for the last 4 years have been against weight drained or catch weight fighters. Cotto, ODLH, Margarito, Marquez..
Cotto - one pound, no big deal (you yourself give him credit now (well you were forced to since cotto banged up floyd a bit, before you discredited the win by calling Cotto a shot fighter.). ;

Oscar - not a catchweight, pac moving up from 135 and pac was a heavy underdog. Oscar is the one that wanted to fight at 147. People thought pac was going to get KO'd and people were hatin on Oscar for picking on such a small man. If Oscar was weight drained, or simply old/shot, that's not pac's fault and he certainly didn't know that going into the fight.

Margarito- a welterweight fighter who was originally going to fight Pac at 147. Only reason they fought at 150 was because the WBC offered a bogus vacant belt. That catchweight actually benefited Margarito, not pacquiao, who had 20 pounds on him.

hatton is the only guy that Manny looked impressive against that was not a catchweight fight. Manny didn't look impressive against Cottley, Marquez, Mosley, and Bradley. Why?? Because non of these guys had to kill themselves to make weight so they had stamina to fight back.
That's one way of looking at it. The other way of looking at it is Pac had shut out victories over Clottey & Mosley and nearly a shutout victory over Bradley. Marquez of course will fight pac fantastically at any weight.

FYI, Manny was not moving up from 135lb he was moving up from 140lb after KO'ing coked up Hatton, to fight Cotto.
No one said he moved up from 135 to fight Cotto. I said he moved up from 135 to fight Oscar and weighed 142 against Oscar. Point was he really wasn't a welterweight yet (especially since he was at 140 after he beat oscar).
 
May 13, 2002
50,056
47,806
113
39
Seattle
www.socialistworld.net
Dude dont get mad because we all dont think Pac is the greatest like yourself! Obvious some of us feel that Broner would beat Pac. Also how are u gonna show a video of a fight that is 16 fights old in Broner's career? Broner has vastly improved and evolved since then and is much better now. This foo showing us a fight from 2009 haha. To funny! Got Em!!
you didn't even watch the video man so why you commentating? Watch the video. He does the same shit in the ring. Tell me I'm lying.

It's not that it's Pac it's the fact you guys think he can beat ANY welterweight at this point is laughable. He couldn't beat Devon Alexander, Berto, Ortiz, probably not even Mike Jones. Shit, I'd probably favor Paulie Malignaggi at 147 over broner. And hell, he wouldn't even beat guys his same size i.e Gamboa at 135 or Joan Guzman at 140. Have him beat someone, anybody good, and then lets talk about who he can beat 2-3 weight divisions above him. As for now, he has a lot to prove. I'm not about to crown broner because he beat the escobedo's & Eloy Perez's of the world.
 
May 13, 2002
8,110
857
0
33
montyslaw.blogspot.com
It's foolish to think 1 pound lost cotto the fight and it's foolish to disregard skills & styles make fights. If cotto had to come down 10-15 pounds then yeah, maybe that's a big problem,but one pound ain't shit. Boxing isn't rocket science most of the time. Usually you look at both of the fighters skill-sets, and their styles and you can accurately predict who is going to win. Pacquiao beats Cotto at any weight from 140 to 154 not because of size (duh they are basically the same size) but because pac is a terrible style for Cotto to handle.

Did Pernell Whitaker, who came down 5 pounds to fight Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. struggle with the weight, or did he box the shit out of Chavez? Did Hopkins who moved down four pounds to fight Oscar struggle with the weight or did he knock him out? Did Hopkins, who moved down 5 pounds to fight Kelly Pavlik struggle with the weight or did he box the shit out of Pavlik? Seems like there is double standard here or a bias.

Throughout history, it's almost always the bigger guys who come down in weight who win the fight. Yet somehow when smaller Pac wins, he's criticized for beating the bigger men and new terms like "weight drained" are applied. One pound weight drained cotto, really? Why didn't 4-5 pounds weight drain Whitaker & Hopkins? Hmm, maybe it's because Whitaker was 10X better than Chavez sr ever was and Hopkins was 10x a fighter than Oscar ever was. Add to that Whitaker was a nightmare of a style for Chavez and so was Hopkins to Oscar (and Pac to Cotto).

Rather than discrediting wins over a measly pound, analyze the fighters. Analyze the styles, analyze their skill-sets, their strengths, their weaknesses. By doing this it's really easy to see why these guys won, despite any weight differences.
Comparing Oscar vs Hop and JCC vs Whitaker to Pac vs Cotto is retarded. Pac fights guys at catchweights that give him an advantage over them, quit being such a homer and admit it Brosef...you're a smart guy.
 
May 13, 2002
50,056
47,806
113
39
Seattle
www.socialistworld.net
Comparing Oscar vs Hop and JCC vs Whitaker to Pac vs Cotto is retarded.
Explain to me how it's any different smart guy? Oscar was the big star and he asked hopkins to come down in weight (4 pounds) to fight for Hopkins belts. Chavez was the big star and he asked Whitaker to come down in weight for Whitakers belts. How is this any different? Cotto went down ONE pound, not 4-5, that's the difference.

Pac fights guys at catchweights that give him an advantage over them, quit being such a homer and admit it Brosef...you're a smart guy.
He has fought guys at catchweights so did henry armstrong, bernard hopkins, sugar ray robinson, etc. Sometimes it benefits pac (having cotto come down a pound) sometimes it helps the other guy (margarito being able to come in 3 pounds heavier, pacquiao going down 3 pounds to fight JMM). Goes both ways man.
 
May 13, 2002
50,056
47,806
113
39
Seattle
www.socialistworld.net
Broner has the skills to beat most fighters in the world right now, and I definitely think he'd give Pac a very tough fight.
how do you even know that if he's never fought a B level fighter? Again, it's not ancient history he barely beat a smaller Ponce de leon, who not shockingly, is the best opponent to date he's faced. Until he fights and beats an elite fighter, or even a B level fighter, it's way too premature to make statements like that. He seems to have the skills, but those skills have only been on display against C & D level fighters.
 

CZAR

Sicc OG
Aug 25, 2003
7,275
1,375
0
47
you didn't even watch the video man so why you commentating? Watch the video. He does the same shit in the ring. Tell me I'm lying.

It's not that it's Pac it's the fact you guys think he can beat ANY welterweight at this point is laughable. He couldn't beat Devon Alexander, Berto, Ortiz, probably not even Mike Jones. Shit, I'd probably favor Paulie Malignaggi at 147 over broner. And hell, he wouldn't even beat guys his same size i.e Gamboa at 135 or Joan Guzman at 140. Have him beat someone, anybody good, and then lets talk about who he can beat 2-3 weight divisions above him. As for now, he has a lot to prove. I'm not about to crown broner because he beat the escobedo's & Eloy Perez's of the world.
Dude I saw the fight when it happened. I have been following Bro Bro for a while so I dont need the video dog. Again fighters progress fight after fight especially great fighters. Also its ok for u to think otherwise but again dont get mad at some of us who feel he is already great and that he would beat Manny. Until and if they fight its all opinions anyway. No one is right or wrong until it goes down. Got Em!!
 
Dec 9, 2005
11,518
31
0
36
As soon as u ease off Manny's little nuts haha. Got Em!!

I'm not the one going ape shit over a guy who has fought nothing but B-Level fighters.

Again, I actually like Broner, but if you think for a second he'd get in the ring and "destroy" an elite fighter three divisions above him, you're smoking some good rocks.



J @jabking , those are all just victim statements. You have no control over your opponents state, all you can do is prepare and expect for your opponent to be at his best, and fight who's in front of you on fight night. It's easy to say all of these things in hindsight.
 

CZAR

Sicc OG
Aug 25, 2003
7,275
1,375
0
47
I'm not the one going ape shit over a guy who has fought nothing but B-Level fighters.

Again, I actually like Broner, but if you think for a second he'd get in the ring and "destroy" an elite fighter three divisions above him, you're smoking some good rocks.



J @jabking , those are all just victim statements. You have no control over your opponents state, all you can do is prepare and expect for your opponent to be at his best, and fight who's in front of you on fight night. It's easy to say all of these things in hindsight.
First off I didnt go ape shit either. All I said was Broner would beat Manny which I think he will. How is that on his nuts? Also Manny is barely two weight classes above Broner let alone 3. Broner just fought his last fight at 147 during the actual fight so Manny wouldnt be much bigger than him if bigger at all. Got Em!!
 
Feb 23, 2006
2,176
698
113
35
Broner that got beat by ponce..... please time will tell get of the nutts.... lol ass soon broner startrd getting craked by ponce he tuck his tail cuz he got no heart.he fast he bigger but he has no heart fuck broner he a joke.bambam beatz his ass by heart. Broner wont last. Lol why we even talking about this clown. We should talk about ponce de leon vs jhonny gonzalez