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If I understood that column.....it was saying Arum was interested in the fight at Catch weight. Not Manny.

and really if Cotto agree's to fight Manny at a catch weight, how can you blame Manny??
It's not really a one time occurrence. It's that the team does it almost every fight. I would understand if it was to unify or had a bigger meaning other than the amount of PPV buys. The way he's looked recently he probably shouldn't risk his Floyd fight on a date with Cotto.
 
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Canelo: I Want Mayweather Or Cotto Now! I'm Ready.


By Luis Sandoval

Saul “Canelo” Alvarez is getting ready for his fight with Josesito Lopez which will take place on September 15th at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, NV. Many were expecting Alvarez to be taking on a bigger name fighter on the popular Mexican Independence Day but due to three possible opponents falling by the way side, Lopez was chosen instead.

Alvarez is in arguably the deepest division in the boxing and has a good group of possible opponents to choose from should he be victorious against Lopez. Many have been critical of Alvarez as they feel he has yet to take on a tough opponent in his weight division and even gone as far as to say he’s avoided certain fighters.

When Alvarez was on the most recent edition of BoxingScene’s official radio show The Boxing Lab, he was asked what he tells those fans and critics who question if he’s really willing to face everyone in his division; especially the likes of Erislandy Lara and Vanes Martirosyan who don’t carry the big name other fighters have but are equally as good.

“I’m ready to fight whoever. Obviously I prepare myself but I’ll fight anyone. You put them in front of me and I’ll fight them. What I’ve always said is the people want to see fighters they know and are familiar with. They want to see attractive fights. So guys like Lara and Vanes, the people don’t really know them so that’s why those fights probably have not been made. Or who knows. All I know is I’m here to fight anyone” declared the reigning WBC Junior Middleweight champion.

Lost in the criticism is the fact that Alvarez did indeed agree to fight three tough fighters in James Kirkland, Paul Williams, and Victor Ortiz. Through unfortunate circumstances and sheer bad luck, all three opponents withdrew from a possible fight with Alvarez. But for those who may think Alvarez is running from a real test, he claims the opposite.

The two biggest and best fighters in his division are Floyd Mayweather Jr and Miguel Cotto who just got done fighting each other in one of the biggest fights of the calendar year. When Alvarez was asked when he’d be ready for them, he left no doubt.

“For me, it would be right now. I would love to fight Miguel Angel Cotto and [Floyd] Mayweather. Either of them. I’m ready” stated Alvarez.

Before any future plans can be made, Alvarez must take on the man who probably gave us the biggest upset this year when he defeated Victor Ortiz this past June and that’s Josesito Lopez.
 

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The catch weight king is at it again. lol Manny fight Manny at 154lb or just fight Marquez or Bradley again.
So, another catch weight huh...
It's a little ridiculous to fight almost all of your big fights at a catch weight.
Just pick a division....
Co-sign. Fight a heathly Cotto at 154lb or don't fight him at all.
Double co-sign! This dude is killing me with all these catch weights? Fight these cats in an actual weight class will ya! This guy wants every advantage he can get! Cotto would destroy Manny if fights him at 154 and Manny's camp knows this and thats why they always want dude to come down. Things like this makes me want to give more props to cats like J. Lopez & The Ghost for goin up 2 classes and still putting in work! Manny can learn from these dudes real talk! Got Em!!

It's not Manny's fault at all but at the same time it's funny that Manny needs weight advantages against all of his big fight. ODLH didn't make 147lb in 12 years, Cotto at 145lb for his 147lb title, Margarito at 150lb for a bs 154lb title. Manny looked good in all those fights. But what about non-catch weight fights and fighter moving up to fight him how does Manny look? Manny couldn't finish old Mosley at 147lb, 135lb Marquez beat him up, and 140 lb Bradley took his belt. You see the pattern here. If no one has to kill themselves to make weight = Manny doesn't like all that good in the ring.
I fully agree with u but Im sure Manny has some say and I bet he is all for these catchweights and I think if he wants tru props he needs to tell his people to not always ask for a damn catchweight. Either fight at the weight u can make or comfortable with and fight those cats and stop asking other cats to come down so much. Got Em!!
 
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pac isn't going to fight cotto. chris williams write a bit of a biased article because Arum said when he meets with Pacquiao he's going to present him offers for Bradley, Marquez and Cotto. Pac has already said he wants bradley the most, if not then Marquez. cotto is simply an option for Pac to consider. you can bet it will be a bradley rematch.

of course Chris Williams didn't mention when arum said bradley and marquez are options too, since he's a biased and shity writer.
 
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According to Arum, Pacquiao vs. Cotto II is likely to happen
Published August 6, 2012 | By eastside

By Vitali Shaposhnikov: With the available roster of opposition for Manny Pacquiao, picking a fight should not be too complicated as far as the fight itself goes, but of course there are always financial negotiates, which can stall or even prevent a good fight from coming together. It is safe to assume at this point in time, that Mayweather Jr. vs. Pacquiao fight will not happen until sometime around summer of 2013, and even that is an optimistic hypothesis.

So what will Pacquiao do next? Who will be his next adversary in November of this year?

According to an article on ESPN (http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/8237761/manny-pacquiao-bob-arum-talk-options-nov-10-fight), Pacquao’s promoter Bob Arum stated the following:

“We could do a Cotto rematch, assuming we can come to an understanding on the weight. Cotto is talking about going to 160 to fight somebody, but we’ve been talking to Gaby and we’ll sort it out. I think Manny would be willing to do it at 150.”

Maybe to some this is not a surprise, but to me it’s definitely an unexpected turn of events. Of all the three main opponents in the running to face Pacquiao next (Timothy Bradley, Juan Manuel Marquez, Miguel Cotto), Arum and Pacquiao might actually give Cotto a re-match.

I see this as a very promising fight, and would love to see Cotto get another shot at Pacman. Having said that, the weight issue is making me think that team Pacquiao might want to drain Cotto again, and will unlikely fight Cotto at his optimal weight. Although since Arum stated that they would be willing to make it at 150lbs, this might turn out to be a dangerous fight for Manny, and a better experience for Cotto.

It is hard to say what will happen, but this is a better fight than Marquez or Bradley in my personal opinion. I would love to see Marquez get another shot, but I just feel that Cotto deserves it more and at the right weight will prove to be a more explosive event.
 
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Andre Ward now finds himself in a lose-lose situation
Published August 7, 2012 | By ciani

by Geoffrey Ciani – After being awarded a majority decision victory against the ageless warrior Bernard Hopkins, in a fight that appeared more decisive than the rendered verdict might suggest, ‘Bad’ Chad Dawson issued a direct challenge to super middleweight champion Andre Ward. Dawson made his intentions abundantly clear that this was the fight he wanted, even insisting that he would venture south to 168 in order to make it happen. Ward ultimately accepted this challenge, and now the two are slated to square off in a highly anticipated showdown on September 8.

Even though Dawson claims he can comfortably make weight and perform effectively as a super middleweight, many observers simply do not believe him. As a result, while the reality may be that this is nothing more than a tremendous clash of talent, the perception is that Dawson is being compromised. Not only does Chad, a naturally big light heavyweight, need to shed an extra seven pounds to make the 168 pound limit he last made over six years ago, but he will also need to travel to Ward’s backyard in Oakland. In the eyes of many, even if Ward wins in the most impressive fashion imaginable, the victory will already be tainted because of the concessions “forced on” Dawson.

In fairness to Ward, he did not do anything wrong here. A challenge was issued, and he accepted. That is all there was to it. Case closed! After all, if Dawson did not feel he could compete at an elite level against world class opposition in the super middleweight division, then why issue the challenge at all? That is the reality. Unfortunately for Ward, however, in boxing perception is oftentimes more important than reality. As such, he has placed himself in a very unfortunate predicament where, despite his best efforts, there will forever be question marks surrounding this bout in the event of a Ward victory.

This of course all assumes that Ward can defeat Dawson, which is no guarantee at all. Lest we forget, Dawson is one of the most talented and athletically gifted fighters in all of boxing. He is coming off a win against a seasoned veteran who, despite his advanced age, is still among the craftiest and most intelligent in the game. In fact stylistically, Hopkins probably served as fantastic preparation for Dawson going into the Ward fight. Ward is like a younger version of an older Bernard Hopkins, possessing the ring smarts and shrewdness of B-Hops, with the addition of youthfulness and superior reflexes on his side. Chad could very well wind up being just as effective against Ward, if not more so, than he was against Hopkins.

The game changer that sealed this as “lose-lose situation” for Ward came when Carl ‘The Cobra’ Froch bludgeoned Lucian Bute over in Nottingham. If Bute had emerged victorious, as the odd-makers and majority of fans had anticipated, Ward would have had a much stronger case for making Chad come down. Bute would have represented unfinished business for Ward at 168, and thusly served as a valid justification for making the Dawson fight at super middle. Since Bute lost, however, there really is no one left for Ward name-wise at 168. He already cleaned out the division in spectacular fashion by winning the Super Six Boxing Classic and collecting two championship belts along the way.

If Ward had wanted to make this a “win-win situation”, all he needed to do was insist that the Dawson fight happens at 175! The ideal time for Ward to make this move would have been immediately after Froch scored the upset against Bute. Fans would have inherently been less critical of Ward, because they would have seen that he was willing to compromise, too. To be sure, his harshest critics would no doubt have still complained about the fight being in Oakland, but on the flipside there would also be more fans who admired Ward’s eagerness to participate in the give-and-take spirit of negotiation.

At the end of the day I do not think the 168 pound weight limit will play a huge role in the outcome of the fight. Likewise I do not feel it would make much difference if it was happening at 175, either. I believe the better man will win, plain and simple. We are dealing with two exceptionally talented athletes, both at the peak of their abilities, who are going to most likely put on a fine display of textbook skills, tremendous athletic ability, and refined raw talent. Indeed the winner will be determined by who executes better on fight night, regardless of what the scales say both officially and unofficially. May the best man win!
 
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Malignaggi: Deontay Wilder shouldn’t rush his career
August 6th, 2012

By Scott Gilfoid: WBA World welterweight champion Paulie Malignaggi believes that unbeaten heavyweight prospect Deontay Wilder (24-0, 24 KO’s) is doing the right thing by taking things slowly with his career so that he can build up his skills to a high enough level so that he can have a better chance when he finally steps it up in the future against one of the world champions.

Malignaggi worked the talented Wilder’s fight last Saturday night against Kertson Manswell, and this is what Malignaggi had to say about Wilder: “I think he’s on schedule. I think heavyweights mature late. I don’t think there’s a reason to rush Deontay, especially when the top is ruled by the Klitschkos, who are very dangerous heavyweights. There is no reason to rush him intoa fight like that.”

Here here, I totally agree with Malingaggi. Wilder doesn’t need to be rushed just because some people want him to or others want to see him fail. He needs to be brought along slowly so that his skills and keep improving to the point where he doesn’t have any flaws in his game. In looking at Wilder’s fight against Manswell last Saturday, I noticed a couple of things that Wilder needs improving on before he takes it to the next level. First of all, he’s still not using his jab enough despite having a really long reach. I saw Wilder only occasionally using it against Manswell.

Of course, he had Manswell hurt almost immediately, so you kind of have to give Wilder a pass on that. However, he still wasn’t using it very much before he nailed Manswell with a huge right hand that started the ball rolling in the 1st. On the occasions Wilder did throw his jab, it wasn’t thrown with a lot of snap and speed. It looked too slow for my tastes and not forceful enough to be used as a weapon against a better fighter. Wilder also didn’t seem to react all that well when he was getting backed up by Manswell in the few occasions that Manswell pressured him. I would have liked to have seen Wilder move a little bit better, keep his guard up and handle the pressure a little more smoothly.
 
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it looks like a b-hop/cloud fight is coming
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pac isn't going to fight cotto. chris williams write a bit of a biased article because Arum said when he meets with Pacquiao he's going to present him offers for Bradley, Marquez and Cotto. Pac has already said he wants bradley the most, if not then Marquez. cotto is simply an option for Pac to consider. you can bet it will be a bradley rematch.

of course Chris Williams didn't mention when arum said bradley and marquez are options too, since he's a biased and shity writer.
Manny's next fight has to do a million buys or more. No one will buy Bradley vs. Manny 2, and Marquez vs. Manny 4 is a hard sell because the fight will be close again 7-5 either way. Cotto vs. Manny 2 will get Top Rank another million PPV buys and if Manny can win the Mayweather fight would be back on and fans will be hyped again because looked good in losing to Floyd, or Cotto could get other crack at Mayweather with a win. It makes business sense. But the problem is the weight..
 
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Pacquiao should retire now. I think hes done. Prime pacquiao>>>>>>>>>>>> prime void mayweather
I will have to disagree Mayweather looked good beating top level fighters of all boxing styles. Manny only looks good against stand in front of me, coming off of a brutal beating lose in their last big fight, weight drained fighters.

Mayweather and Manny against the same guys.

1)Mayweather beating ODLH at 154lb with 10oz gloves > Manny beating ODLH at 147lb with 8oz gloves

2)Manny beating Cotto at 145lb for his 147lb with 8oz gloves > Mayweather beating Cotto at 154lb with 10oz gloves

3)Mayweather beating the breaks off of Mosley > Manny looking lost not being able to cut off the ring against a mental beat gun shy Mosley.

4)Mayweather boxing circles around Marquez after a 18 month lay-off at 146lb > Manny looking lost and getting outboxed by 39yr old Marquez at 144lb.

5)Mayweather taking Hattons '0' by KO at 147lb > Manny Ko'ing a coked up Hatton at 140lb

Manny gets props for the Cotto win and that fight was at a catchweight at 145lb, but yet Manny had no problem fighting ODLH at 147lb a year earlier. Every other fight Mayweather gets more props ODLH, Mosley, Hatton, and Marquez where all champions coming off of big KO wins with no weight draining against Mayweather.

Mayweather accepting OSDT and being randomly tested >>>> Manny making up 100 excuses on why he can't be randomly tested.

If Manny doesn't fight Mayweather and accept OSDT the end of boxing career will have a ? mark to me, plus add in all the catchweights and Mayweathers resume is looking 10 times better to me.
 

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I don't understand Manny why even fight at catchweights when he allowed Margarito to fight at 150? But then Oscar and Miguel couldn't come in at 147?
 
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Froch vs. Oosthuizen negotiations close to being finished
August 7th, 2012

By Scott Gilfoid: Negotiations for a November fight between unbeaten South African talent Thomas Oosthuizen (20-0-1, 13 KO’s) and IBF super middleweight champion Carl Froch (29-2, 21 KO’s) are close to being completed for a fight that will take place in Froch’s home city of Nottingham, England, according to ESPN.co.uk.

American former WBC/WBO middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik was said to have been under consideration for the bout but he wasn’t up for traveling to the UK and fighting Froch at home.

Oosthuizen, 24, is ranked #4 by the International Boxing Federation and is one of the division’s most exciting talents due to his size, chin, heart, power and high work rate. Oosthuizen has impressive wins over Rowland Bryant, Marcus Johnson, Francisco Sierra and Aaron Pryor Jr. He’s got the arm length at height at 6’4″ to give Froch a tremendous amount of problems. Oosthuizen’s youth is also going to be something that will hurt Froch, because he’s a young lad and doesn’t have the age and the miles on him like Froch does.

Froch has got his sights set on big money rematches against former IBF super middleweight champion Lucian Bute and former conqueror Mikkel Kessler in 2013. Froch no doubt is really looking forward to those fights and can probably already taste that good green cash that’s going to come with those fights. However, Oosthuizen is right up there with those guys in terms of talent and he’s much younger. We could see a minor upset if November if this fight gets made, because Froch is there for the picking and has already been exposed by Andre Ward and Kessler in that past. You can add Andre Dirrell’s name to that list for fighters that have had their way with Froch, although Dirrell didn’t get the decision in a fight that took place against Froch in 2009 in the Super Six tourney. Dirrell had Froch missing with shots all night long and looking befuddled.

I think Oosthuizen has got the talent to pull off a big win against Froch in November. The only thing I’m concerned about is whether Oosthuizen will be given the decision. I’d hate to see him go into Nottingham, dominate Froch like Dirrell did and have to settle for a loss. That would be bad for the young talent.
 
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Donaire: I’m going after the #1 fighter [Nishioka] in my division
August 7th, 2012

By Chris Williams: IBF/WBO super bantamweight champion Nonito Donaire (29-1, 18 KO’s) was quick to justify his pick of facing former WBC super bantamweight champion Toshiaki Nishioka (39-4-3, 24 KO’s) for his next fight on October 13th instead of the better known and arguably much more dangerous 122 pound champions Guillermo Rigondeaux and Abner Mares. Donaire said on his Facebook page “Going after the #1 in my division and no less.”

While that makes for a nice excuse for not fighting Rigondeaux or Mares, it still doesn’t wash with me. I know that Ring Magazine has the 36-year-old Nishioka as #1 and Riongondeaux #2, but I see Nishioka’s high ranking based on things that he did years ago rather than what he’s done lately. Nishioka’s best wins have come two to three years ago against Rendall Munroe and honny Gonzalez. He hasn’t done anything lately other than beating a way, way past his prime Rafael Marquez by a narrow decision last October. I had the fight scored a draw, and Nishioka looked old and slow. That’s what I hate about boxing. You get a fighter ranked high based on stuff he did in the past but who clearly isn’t the same fighter anymore.

I just see this as another way for Donaire to bypass Mares and Rigondeaux. Why did Donaire fight little known IBF champ Jeffrey Mathebula in his last fight rather than Mares or Rigondeaux, who both are more popular than Mathebula? Why fight Nishioka when the average boxing fan in the U.S has never heard of him?

If Donaire turns around and faces Mares or Rigondeaux after the Nishioka fight then I’m good. But I don’t see that happening unfortunately. I think Donaire is going to fight 33-year-old Jorge Arce after he beats Nishioka and then move up in weight to featherweight to go after one of the champions at that weight class, perhaps someone like Chris John or Billy Dib. I definitely don’t see Donaire facing Orlando Salido. No way on earth do I see that ever happening.
 
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WOW is Floyd really going after the winner of Martinez vs Chavez Jr??

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Sampson Lewkowicz, asesor y representante de Maravilla Martínez en Golpe a Golpe:¨Si gana Martínez la pelea c/ Mayweather es el 23Nov 2013¨

Translation: Sampson Lewkowicz, advisor and representative of Maravilla Martinez, on Golpe a Golpe [Argentinian TV show]: "If Martinez wins, the fight with Mayweather will be on 23 Nov 2013"
 
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I don't understand Manny why even fight at catchweights when he allowed Margarito to fight at 150? But then Oscar and Miguel couldn't come in at 147?
oscar fight was not a catchweight it was at 147, which was oscar's idea.

I kinda see the reasoning of fighting at a 145 catchweight since pac had not yet established himself at welterweight yet, although in the end that extra pound was meaningless and it obviously wouldn't have mattered one way or the other.

as for Pac fighting cotto again at 150, keep in mind this is arum talking about pacs options. pac hasn't mentioned anyone other than bradley and jmm.