Boxing News Thread

[2-0-Sixx]

yeah but it's like you have no faith in Canelo to do it on his own. What's the problem with fighting one of the guys I mentioned? Floyd & Pacquiao got to fight Oscar by BEATING top guys, they didn't just suddenly get a fight with Oscar, they earned it. Canelo is good enough to where it's time to sink or swim. That's part of boxing you have to take some risks and beat top guys to get to the top. And it's not like Canelo can't beat most if not all the guys I listed. K9, Vanes, Trout, Kirkland, all these fights are in his favor. The only fight that I think he would probably lose is Lara, just because of the style matchup, but even that's no guarantee as Lara does tend to take some rounds off and his punch output can be low at times, Canelo could very well win that fight as well.

Also, a loss isn't the end of the world. Look at Victor Ortiz, he loses to Maidana, wins a couple fights and beats Berto and boom, he fights Maywweather just like that. Pacquiao lost to Erik Morales, then goes on to beat him and the rest is history. All the top guys lose at some point, it's not big deal, the good ones always bounce back.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Apply your guys' same logic to everyone not just canelo...same goes for manny, floyd, etc., some people in here seem hypocritical when it comes to criticizing canelo.

Look at the post I made in regards to Floyd/Pacquiao. They both EARNED their top spots by beating top fighters and champions. That's undeniable. You can say the Mosley fight was a waste of time for Pacquiao and to a lesser extent Margarito but so what? Between those fights he also fought Marquez, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey and Timothy Bradley. Floyd has fought nothing but top ranked fighters - Oscar, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, Ortiz & Cotto, all champions. There is no comparison to Floyd/Pac & Canelo. None.

The same criticisms I've been saying with other fighters as well - Chavez jr until recently I was saying the same thing (but he's stepped up and proved himself). Felix Sturm is a fucking joke with his title defenses in Germany. Andre Berto I criticized heavily for his title defenses when he was a champion. List goes on and on.

And again, I'm less concerned with who Canelo is fighting than I am with WTF the WBC is doing and how they allow this kind of stuff to happen. Like I said if Golden Boy wants Canelo fighting washed up fighters that's perfectly fine, if they don't feel he's ready for a real challenge that's fine, when I have a problem is when that person is a CHAMPION and supposedly has an obligation to fight the best opponents and title contenders. I have absolutely no problem with non-title holders fighting bums to progress as a fighter, because maybe they aren't ready to step up or whatever, that's fine. Once you have a belt though, once you're a champion, you shouldn't be protected and have an obligation to prove you're a champion.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

Yeah, there is no comparison seeing as canelo doesn't make catchweights to fight guys at an awkward weight like manny, he doesn't show up overweight like floyd...the kid is 21 and is the future of boxing. I know it hurts a lot of people to admit that, but let's keep it real. Mayweather should have fought mosley in 99, yet I don't here the criticism like I do wheen canelo doesn't fight a guy...bottom ,line is that he's got time on his side, no need to rush things, even if there are hypocritical manny and Floyd fans talking shit.

 

[HERESY]

^^^
I agree with everything but the reason I want Canelo to Fight Floyd is because His career will sky rocket in the US and world wide. Yeah he's big in Mexico but everyone in the US is still swinging from Mayweather and Pacquiaos nuts, and rightfully so. It's time for Floyd to pass the torch though, just like when Oscar De La hoya passed it onto Manny and Floyd. They beat Oscar when Oscar wasn't Oscar anymore but yet everyone bring up those fights to bolster their resumes like they beat Oscar in his prime. Oscar turned floyd and manny into the big stars they are now. Well not 100% on Oscar but he had a lot to do with it. That's just the way it goes, Oscar did the same when Chavez Sr. passed him the torch, it was no longer prime Chavez he beat but hey he still beat a serviceable Legend. Although i will say Canelo's challenge is tougher then all those fights I mentioned becuase Mayweather can still fight, not at his prime level but he can still fuck shit up and is clearly the p4p best in the world.

Fam, you're dealing with a different beast when you're dealing with Floyd. Is he the fighter he was three or four years ago? No, he isn't, but he is still the best in the world. How can you pass the torch when you're still the best and it's unlikely that the guy you're facing is going to upset you?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Yeah, there is no comparison seeing as canelo doesn't make catchweights to fight guys at an awkward weight like manny, he doesn't show up overweight like floyd...

You know you just fucked up right? You know fucked up?

Canelo WON HIS TITLE by beating Matthew Hatton at a catchweight of 150 pounds, in which Canelo came in OVERWEIGHT.

He also fought Lovemore Ndou, Carlos Baldomir, Luciano Cuello and Jose Miguel Cotto at catchweight fights of 150 pounds.


You just owned yourself bro, big time.

 

[HERESY]

Yeah, there is no comparison seeing as canelo doesn't make catchweights to fight guys at an awkward weight like manny, he doesn't show up overweight like floyd...the kid is 21 and is the future of boxing. I know it hurts a lot of people to admit that, but let's keep it real. Mayweather should have fought mosley in 99, yet I don't here the criticism like I do wheen canelo doesn't fight a guy...bottom ,line is that he's got time on his side, no need to rush things, even if there are hypocritical manny and Floyd fans talking shit.

But he is fighting Mayorga. I'm not saying Canelo isn't good, what I am saying is he isn't on the level of Floyd and should carve his own legacy like 206 said. You also see me saying that I totally agree with not rushing things and being cautious because there is money to be made. However, this is boxing and people aren't going to sit around and wait for you, nor should Canelo or anyoen else bank on a Floyd fight because there is no word on who Floyd is going to fight if he even fights at all. What we're saying is that Canelo has the skills to fight BETTER opposition. Why fight Mayorga when you can fight ranked fighters, guys coming off wins and champions?

And as for the future of boxing, that will be Mikael Zewski.

 

[HERESY]

You know you just fucked up right? You know fucked up?

Canelo WON HIS TITLE by beating Matthew Hatton at a catchweight of 150 pounds, in which Canelo came in OVERWEIGHT.

He also fought Lovemore Ndou, Carlos Baldomir, Luciano Cuello and Jose Miguel Cotto at catchweight fights of 150 pounds.


You just owned yourself bro, big time.

What happened to the props button?

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

If you say so...how many guys has manny and Floyd fought at a catchweight? His title is a joke, but his future isn't and there is simply no need to throw him to the pitbulls at age 21. The criticism you guys give him applies to floyd and manny as well...what had they done at 21?

 

[HERESY]

If you say so...how many guys has manny and Floyd fought at a catchweight? His title is a joke, but his future isn't and there is simply no need to throw him to the pitbulls at age 21. The criticism you guys give him applies to floyd and manny as well...what had they done at 21?

It's not if you say so it's fact. We aren't talking about how many has this guy fought at catch weight or that guy fought at catch weight. You were the one who did the compare and contrast fam and you're wrong about that.

At 21 Floyd had already won a title (I think like 2 or 3 years after turnign pro) and won the Ring's "Fighter of the Year" award.

As for Pac, around that time he was also a champ in like Flyweight if I can recall correctly.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

have u not been reading the posts or what? Pacquiao at age 20 beat the WBC champion. floyd at age 21 beat the WBC champion. they weren't handed anything, they weren't given some vacant belt by fighting a bum they beat champions.

want to try again? you're not doing so well in this thread bro.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

Manny made a career out of fighting at catchweights...that's why I bring it up. It's funny how people forget all the ducking that Floyd did during his career...

 

[HERESY]

Manny made a career out of fighting at catchweights...that's why I bring it up. It's funny how people forget all the ducking that Floyd did during his career...

SMH...

They may or may not have, that is up for debate. What isn't up for debate is both guys (manny and floyd) have belts in multiple weight classes and have earned their keep. Look, if you want to believe Mayorga is a challenge for Canelo go right ahead, the problem is, he is going to keep fighting weak fighters while all the other guys are fighting champs, ranked fighters and guys coming off wins. And when he finally does fight one of these guys, it's going to be that much harder for him. No one is being hypocritical, bro. However, if he has the skill set you and lungs say he does, wouldn't you want to see him fight better opponents?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Manny made a career out of fighting at catchweights...that's why I bring it up. It's funny how people forget all the ducking that Floyd did during his career...

if pac has made his career off catweights what about canelo who has had about 8 in his career already? no one was even talking about catweights so I fail to see your point and what that has to do with fighting mayorga.

and who did floyd duck? please let me know.

 

[HERESY]

SMH....

 

[heyzel]

Mayorga: I'll Be Flying To The U.s. On Tuesday To Sign Fight Deal



By Osman Rodriguez

Former two division champion Ricardo Mayorga (29-8-1, 23KOs) appeared on television network Channel 12 in Nicaragua and claims to be the selected opponent of WBC 154-pound champion Saul "Canelo" Alvarez (40-0-1, 29KOs) on the 15th of September at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Nevada.

In the interview, Mayorga states that he's traveling over to the United States on Tuesday to sign the bout agreement. He promised to the win the title and then hand it over to Daniel Ortega, the President of Nicaragua. He already started training for the fight, according to the boxer.

"I'm going to stop him in five rounds. I will knock Canelo out to win another world title and present President Daniel Ortega with the belt," Mayorga said.

Mayorga, 39-years-old, has been inactive since the twelfth round knockout loss to Miguel Cotto from last March in Las Vegas.

As of Friday, the Nevada State Athletic Commission was unaware of Mayorga being secured for the fight.

And Mayorga is known to stretch the truth - as he claimed last year to be in line for fights with middleweight champions Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. and Felix Sturm.

There are at least two other fighters claiming to be the selected opponent of Canelo, so it remains to be seen on who the final name will be.


(Well, there you have Ladies and Gentleman. Alvarez vs Mayorga on Sept 15th. Now...I've been hypocritical in past; infact we all have. I'll say I will not order a fight only to order it about 2mins before the broadcast begins. But, this time I'm standing firm! It's absolutely no way I'll be ordering Alvarez vs Mayorga while Martinez vs Chavez Jr is happening. The last time I was forced to choose between two rival PPV's was Cotto vs Malinaggi and Tarver vs Hopkins. I ordered Cotto vs Malinaggi. And, caught the HBO telecast the following week. However, another solution would to bring the "37" from my bedroom to the basement and set it up not to my big screen and watch BOTH fights in stunning HD. Then 30 days later I'll receive a Comcast bill for about $250-$275. So, screw it...Golden Boy has lost this battle. My money is going to Top Rank. Alvarez is going to seriously HURT

 

[IronLungs420]

lol @ bigface still on the cotto is shot campaign

that was an entertaining fight. mayorga came to fight and was in good shape.

I'm not going to lie I'll be watching the Cotto-mayorga weigh in just to see what mayorga will do. starts in about 45 minutes. If you have showtime extreme or whatever it will air it live. If not stream it on top ranks website or showtime or yahoo

Lenny Zappavigna (L) squares off with Miguel Vazquez for the IBF Lightweight title

I want to see mayorga do some more of this in the ring:

something about that Martinez/Dizzy fight just screams snooze fest to me, man. So I might order this cotto card. I just think it's a better card:

Cotto/Mayorga
Vazquez/Zappavigna
Foreman/Wolak
Tommy Zbikowski

compared to

Martinez/Dzinziruk
Andy Lee/Craig McEwan

I think so, this pic is from today. He looks to be in great shape:

It's hard to separate hype from facts but I keep reading about how he's been in the best shape of his life and his training camp has been great.

Judging by that picture, I think at least it's safe to say he's in good shape. Against Mosley and even against Vargas he was a little flabby. He looks solid now.

I'm going to send Cotto back to the Ricky Martin club, thats where he belongs, with those fake eyelashes and groomed eyebrows - Mayorga

lmao still got it!

Damn I see how it is, its cool for a HOF top rank boxer in cotto to fight Mayorga without you saying a negative thing but as soon as GBP and Canelo(21 years old) set up a fight with Mayorga its shameful and a joke. Damn did your opinion change on Mayorga in a year?? Because he's been the same fighter these last few years to me. Last year Mayorga should be no different then 2012 Mayorga.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

how is that comparable at all? Cotto had ONE fight after being brutally beat up by Pacquiao. Plus that was about a year and a half ago, Mayorga hasn't fought since.

Canelo is champion right now coming off weak wins over Mosley, Cintron & Alfonzo Gomez. If Canelo had just won his title or whatever, sure fight Mayorga. But he just had three "Mayorga fights" in a row. Cotto was rebuilding himself at a new weight class...

The WBA sanctioned Cotto-Mayorga because Cotto only had one fight prior at 154 (Yuri Foreman) and this was his first title defense.

Canelo has had 5 title defenses already, it's time for a top contender, especially since the WBC keeps promising the top guys a crack at the title (only to deny them later).

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

When did I say I was happy he was fighting mayorga? I must have missed it...yall forget about Paul Williams, kirkland and ortiz? Obviously they were trying to set up a better fight but shit didn't fall through. If yall don't see the logic in taking minimal risk until he fights mayweather for a megafight worth millions, I have nothing else to say.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I never said u were happy about it, u came in here saying we're hypocrites and being all defensive but you missed the point. no one is dissing Canelo the point is more of how the wbc can sanction a title fight like this given there are ranked fighters available. also golden boy has lots of options, plenty of good, credible fights out there.

the other thing is if golden boy simply pushes the date back a month they can get james kirkland.

its unfortunate about Williams and Ortiz, those we're great fights.

it is what it is I just don't like it. especially since chavez vs martinez is on the same date you'd think golden boy would like to have a better opponent to compete or simply change the date and fight kirkland.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

I agree with you...and Floyd ducked tony and mosley to name a couple names. All I'm saying is what they are doing with canelo isn't new, and both manny and Floyd have done similar things in their career. It's part of the business. But honestly, Fuck the mayorga fight shit is weak.