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Mayweather, Berto, and Paul Williams was still at 147lbs when Cotto left.
Berto wasn't shit, Paul Williams wasn't at 147 and floyd wasn't going to happen. So yeah, after a beating from pac a championship fight against Foreman was a smart move.

Cotto got a catchweight for the Margarito fight because he wanted the advantage of making Margarito have to lose that 1lb, just like Manny made him do.
Cotto didn't ask for a 1lb catchweight, he asked to have the fight at 150. That's four pounds. (Margarito refused and thus 153 was agreed upon).

Cotto had said previously he would fight pacquiao in a rematch at 147 if he could get teh fight. Trust me, at 5'7 and his body frame he could easily make 147. It's not like he's added a ton of weight, the only difference is he's not cutting as much.
 
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Rodriguez is nothing special and he gets WAY too much to deal with Kirkland. Wolak throws a lot but isn't considered a puncher and besides the beating he putting on Foreman I've seen him fight to UDs against guys that should've been long gone.

If Rodriguez doesn't catch Kirkland cold, who seems to have a problem getting warmed up as most of the time when he goes down it's in the 1st round (Conyers, Ishida, Angulo), he's dead.
 
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Manny Pacquiao should stand up to Arum

Banda: It is our belief that Manny Pacquiao is the gentleman he is portrayed to be, by both his countrymen and the press. It is our belief that Manny Pacquiao is not the only reason the fight with Floyd Mayweather junior has not happened up to now.

It is also our strongest belief that Manny Pacquiao is not afraid to face Floyd Mayweather junior on May 5, 2012. If our beliefs are correct, then Manny Pacquiao should stand up, look Arum in the eye, and tell him that he wants to fight Floyd Mayweather junior this coming May, 2012. Failure to do that will only mean one thing, that he is a wimp and a cheat, who hides behind the crookedness of this sport and has wasted everybody’s time all this long.

Manny Pacquiao has indicated that he wants to fight Floyd in May. It should not just end with press statements, but he must make it clear that he is willing and able to fight Floyd without any more delays and excuses. Many people have voiced their concerns over the manner Arum has been handling this issue. Many have also categorically pointed a finger at Arum as the biggest stumbling block in the fight’s way, including Ariza, a member of the inner circle of Pacquiao’ s team.

We all saw that Pacquiao got cut on the eye in the Marquez fight and needed a good number of stitches to put it together. While this was a significant injury, we have seen worse injuries in boxing and six months is enough time to heal the cut. While we don’t want to sound unreasonable over Manny’s healing period, why is it that Arum was willing to put Magarito, barely five months after he had two surgeries on his eye in the ring? Why is it that Magarito could be sacrificed and Manny protected?

While Arum has a hand in the fight not being made, my opinion is that Manny has been comfortable with it and he is equally guilty of avoiding fighting Floyd. Manny is a big star and so, he should be man of his own, and should have the bigger say in his career. After all, he makes the money and should be in charge. This time around, if it does not happen, it is clear who will sit on it again and the only solution is for Manny to stand-up to Arum.
 
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Benn-McClellan The Fight Of Their Lives Documentary - Uncomfortable But Compulsive Vi

Benn-McClellan The Fight Of Their Lives Documentary - Uncomfortable But Compulsive Viewing\


By James Slater: Four years in the making, BBC boxing documentary The Fight of Their Lives, which is dedicated to the unforgettable, tragic and controversial Nigel Benn-Gerald McClellan super-middleweight title fight from February 25th of 1995, ran last night on U.K television. And a moving, upsetting and also fascinating hour the film really is.

The fight boxing will never forget has never been screened on British T.V ever since that fateful night almost seventeen years ago, and the footage that is contained in the documentary gives a stark reminder as to why. Chilling is the only word to describe the events of that savage night; events both inside and outside the ring. From the early knockdown of Benn, which sends him through the ropes, to the disturbing blinking and twitching of McClellan in the later rounds, to the accidental head-clash that first forced “The G-Man” to take a knee in the fight, to the unexpected ending, when Gerald took a final knee in the 10th-round - the activity in the ring that night saw to it that viewers went through a rollercoaster of emotions.

The new documentary focuses also on those people who were outside the ring that night: the screaming fans, McClellan’s corner, also screaming, especially when their man scores the knockdown in the 1st, only for the referee to fail to hit the count of ten, and the various commentators; many of them later being criticised for claiming McClellan quit in that 10th-round.

The referee, France’s Alfredo Alfaro, is also featured in the film. Much has been written about his handling of the count in the 1st-round. Some say Benn was down for ten seconds or more, others claim otherwise. Alfaro claims Benn was up at “8,” Nigel’s former trainer Kevin Sanders concedes that if he had been McClellan that night, he’d have thought he’d won the fight in that opener. “We were very lucky that night,” he says. The night of the fight, Alfaro, amazingly, was under the impression that Benn had an allowance of 20-seconds in which to resume fighting, as he had fallen through the ropes. Benn had not fallen off the ring apron, however, and was allowed just a standard ten-count - which Alfaro says Nigel beat.

Further controversy that is focused on includes the adequacy, or lack of, of McClellan’s corner. Having parted ways with Emanuel Steward, Gerald was chiefly reliant on Stan Johnson. The wrapping of the defending WBC champion’s hands has long proven to be a contentious issue. Just why did the fighter wrap his own fists on the night? According to Sanders, who visited the champ’s dressing room as per the right of the opposing fighter’s trainer before any boxing match, McClellan told him it was “because these idiots don’t know how to do it!”

Johnson, still sporting his “trademark” sailor hat, is heavily featured in the film, and the trainer sure comes across as a strange person. Judging by the smile he wears during much of the documentary, and going also by the ego-serving outbursts he comes out with, it’s hard to tell if Johnson has any real sympathy for the man he knew since he was a teenager. Johnson, the film informs us, has seen Gerald just three times since the fight.

Brendan Ingle, who served as an assistant in McClellan’s corner that night, describes the work being done in the corner as “organised chaos.” Lisa McClellan, Gerald’s brother, says she couldn’t even call Johnson a real coach. Steward says he doesn’t think the tragedy would have happened had he been in Gerald’s corner that night. Many viewers of the new documentary will doubtless agree with him.

Johnson, far from admitting that his own incompetence in the corner went at least some way towards costing Gerald his health and almost his life (when asked why he failed to throw in the towel when his fighter was blinking and struggling to breathe in the fight, as apparent as it was to other observers, at least in the opinion of Lisa McClellan - he says it is not his job as a corner-man to stop a fight; that it is the referee’s job) instead drops a bombshell by claiming Benn’s heroic win was achieved only through cheating. Johnson, back in 2010, claimed that blood from Benn, which was found on McClellan’s boot, was tested and was found to contain traces on an illegal steroid. Just why it took Johnson 15 years to come out with his claim, the film’s narrator says, is a mystery.

Benn himself is adamant that he “never used anabolic steroids while I was boxing.” Johnson, though, says the real reason Benn was never the subject of a post-fight drugs test that night is not because the unexpected winner collapsed from sheer exhaustion, but because “he didn’t wanna piss” for the doctors. Johnson’s claims carry little to no weight.

Still, controversy seems destined to follow this fight around forever. Could the fight have been stopped sooner than it was, thus preventing Gerald’s terrible injuries? (Lisa says her brother is blind but not deaf, and that one of his main concerns is whether or not he lost the fight that night. She tells him, no, he didn’t lose). Was the French referee to blame, due to his giving the first-round knockdown a long count, thus extending the fight? Would a fully competent corner have either provided McClellan with a plan-B that might have allowed him to get the win, or would they have thrown in the towel long before the fight reached it’s tragic conclusion?

Watching The Fight of Their Lives won’t give you any definitive answers, but it will sure make you think. And possibly shed a tear.
 
Jul 24, 2005
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Mayweather vs Pacquiao: Arum Says He's Optimistic, But Not Confident

Top Rank promoter Bob Arum gave a nice talking in circles quote to Lem Satterfield of The Ring when asked about the potential for Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr to finally hook it up in the ring on May 5. This is a really great Bob quote, because he basically says nothing, but makes it appear he's saying something:

"I'm not confident about anything. I just think that the public wants that fight," said Arum. "Certainly, we at Top Rank want that fight. Manny wants that fight, and I believe that Floyd wants that fight. So, why wouldn't I be optimistic?"

Let's break this down.

"I'm not confident about anything." -- Pretty straightforward. Arum talks of investors, talks of Koncz meeting with Team Mayweather, but has no confidence that the fight can be made.
"I just think that the public wants that fight." -- What tipped him off, I wonder?
"Certainly, we at Top Rank want that fight." -- Well, certainly. This sort of addresses the criticism that Bob Arum does not want the fight at all.
"Manny wants that fight, and I believe that Floyd wants that fight." -- There you go then. The fight will happen, because both fighters want it, and Bob Arum wants it. Nothing can get in the way of that -- that's stone cold lockdown stuff. Everyone wants it. There's money in it. Let's go.
"So, why wouldn't I be optimistic?" -- Was his optimism in question here? Also, the lack of confidence may be a reason to assume optimism isn't really high. See? He says nothing, but it's a quote about the fight where he doesn't say no.

In the end: "Everyone wants this fight, including myself and both of the fighters, and it is -- in my opinion -- a fight the public wants to see. But I am not confident that it will happen, but I am optimistic it will happen. But not confident. No, no."

Arum also says that he expects Miguel Cotto to stay under the Top Rank banner, which is now what most figure will indeed happen, and compares Cotto's loyalty to that of Marvin Hagler.
 
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Roy Jones Jr. Pay Per View Only $9.99

One of the most debated topics in boxing is the price of Pay Per View events. Many people felt the pain this weekend with the PPV between Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito costing upwards of $60. So in some welcome news the online streaming service UStream announced that they will be carrying the Roy Jones Jr. fight for the low price of only $9.99. While we can debate the merits of Roy Jones headlining a sham fight between him and Max Alexander for the UBO Intercontinental title all day long, I rather want to focus on the PPV aspect of this fight (Zelda fire!!!).

In my opinion, the price of PPV is way too high for most of the cards that come to be big PPV events. The Hopkins vs. Dawson card was a great example of this pricing problem. I wanted to see this fight, but I did not want to spend over $20 bucks to see the fight. If I remember correctly, this fight was cheaper than the standard $60 fare, but still it was not close to the $20 price point I was willing to put down for this fight.

[ Related: Jones Promising Great Comeback ]

In contrast, I like what Roy Jones is trying to do with this card. It's not a big card, and accordingly he is not charging a good deal of money for it. He is also using a dedicated streaming service, which should hopefully eliminate some of the technical difficulties involved with streaming events. If the Dawson-Hopkins fight was on UStream for $10, then I would have jumped at the chance to buy it. Yet, it bombed on HBO PPV with big money glitz for a fight between two non-draws.

What do you guys think about the current pricing structure? As someone who pays for both Showtime and HBO pretty much to get boxing, having to shill out more money for big events is a little tough to justify. However, if the pricing of PPVs went down, then I would at least be more tempted to put some money down. There is the reason that you should hope that the Roy Jones PPV is successful. Lower PPV prices, maybe.
 
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Benn-McClellan The Fight Of Their Lives Documentary - Uncomfortable But Compulsive Viewing\


By James Slater: Four years in the making, BBC boxing documentary The Fight of Their Lives, which is dedicated to the unforgettable, tragic and controversial Nigel Benn-Gerald McClellan super-middleweight title fight from February 25th of 1995, ran last night on U.K television. And a moving, upsetting and also fascinating hour the film really is.

The fight boxing will never forget has never been screened on British T.V ever since that fateful night almost seventeen years ago, and the footage that is contained in the documentary gives a stark reminder as to why. Chilling is the only word to describe the events of that savage night; events both inside and outside the ring. From the early knockdown of Benn, which sends him through the ropes, to the disturbing blinking and twitching of McClellan in the later rounds, to the accidental head-clash that first forced “The G-Man” to take a knee in the fight, to the unexpected ending, when Gerald took a final knee in the 10th-round - the activity in the ring that night saw to it that viewers went through a rollercoaster of emotions.

The new documentary focuses also on those people who were outside the ring that night: the screaming fans, McClellan’s corner, also screaming, especially when their man scores the knockdown in the 1st, only for the referee to fail to hit the count of ten, and the various commentators; many of them later being criticised for claiming McClellan quit in that 10th-round.

The referee, France’s Alfredo Alfaro, is also featured in the film. Much has been written about his handling of the count in the 1st-round. Some say Benn was down for ten seconds or more, others claim otherwise. Alfaro claims Benn was up at “8,” Nigel’s former trainer Kevin Sanders concedes that if he had been McClellan that night, he’d have thought he’d won the fight in that opener. “We were very lucky that night,” he says. The night of the fight, Alfaro, amazingly, was under the impression that Benn had an allowance of 20-seconds in which to resume fighting, as he had fallen through the ropes. Benn had not fallen off the ring apron, however, and was allowed just a standard ten-count - which Alfaro says Nigel beat.

Further controversy that is focused on includes the adequacy, or lack of, of McClellan’s corner. Having parted ways with Emanuel Steward, Gerald was chiefly reliant on Stan Johnson. The wrapping of the defending WBC champion’s hands has long proven to be a contentious issue. Just why did the fighter wrap his own fists on the night? According to Sanders, who visited the champ’s dressing room as per the right of the opposing fighter’s trainer before any boxing match, McClellan told him it was “because these idiots don’t know how to do it!”

Johnson, still sporting his “trademark” sailor hat, is heavily featured in the film, and the trainer sure comes across as a strange person. Judging by the smile he wears during much of the documentary, and going also by the ego-serving outbursts he comes out with, it’s hard to tell if Johnson has any real sympathy for the man he knew since he was a teenager. Johnson, the film informs us, has seen Gerald just three times since the fight.

Brendan Ingle, who served as an assistant in McClellan’s corner that night, describes the work being done in the corner as “organised chaos.” Lisa McClellan, Gerald’s brother, says she couldn’t even call Johnson a real coach. Steward says he doesn’t think the tragedy would have happened had he been in Gerald’s corner that night. Many viewers of the new documentary will doubtless agree with him.

Johnson, far from admitting that his own incompetence in the corner went at least some way towards costing Gerald his health and almost his life (when asked why he failed to throw in the towel when his fighter was blinking and struggling to breathe in the fight, as apparent as it was to other observers, at least in the opinion of Lisa McClellan - he says it is not his job as a corner-man to stop a fight; that it is the referee’s job) instead drops a bombshell by claiming Benn’s heroic win was achieved only through cheating. Johnson, back in 2010, claimed that blood from Benn, which was found on McClellan’s boot, was tested and was found to contain traces on an illegal steroid. Just why it took Johnson 15 years to come out with his claim, the film’s narrator says, is a mystery.

Benn himself is adamant that he “never used anabolic steroids while I was boxing.” Johnson, though, says the real reason Benn was never the subject of a post-fight drugs test that night is not because the unexpected winner collapsed from sheer exhaustion, but because “he didn’t wanna piss” for the doctors. Johnson’s claims carry little to no weight.

Still, controversy seems destined to follow this fight around forever. Could the fight have been stopped sooner than it was, thus preventing Gerald’s terrible injuries? (Lisa says her brother is blind but not deaf, and that one of his main concerns is whether or not he lost the fight that night. She tells him, no, he didn’t lose). Was the French referee to blame, due to his giving the first-round knockdown a long count, thus extending the fight? Would a fully competent corner have either provided McClellan with a plan-B that might have allowed him to get the win, or would they have thrown in the towel long before the fight reached it’s tragic conclusion?

Watching The Fight of Their Lives won’t give you any definitive answers, but it will sure make you think. And possibly shed a tear.

Here it is, people should check this out

 
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Showtime outbid HBO by $1 Million to get it.
nah, a lot less than that. From Fat Dan:

Showtime bought the fight for $2.25 million, according to a source involved in the match, which was considerably more than HBO's initial offer of $1.75 million and just $100,000 more than HBO's final offer of $2.15 million, the same amount it paid for the first bout.​

I think we're going to see a lot of Al Haymon fighters on Showtime, the relationship he had with Greenburg is obviously gone now that Ken Hershman is in charge.

oh, and the fight isn't totally final just yet. I guess from what I've been reading is that Berto's camp is still waiting for Ortiz to agree to OST's, which apparently was agreed upon but nothing has been signed yet. Berto said there will be no fight unless Ortiz agrees. From what I hear though it's likely going to push through. Just pointing it out..
 
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h.b.o. is stupid for not taking up that fight...it has the potential to be better than the first fight too...
It could be. But on the other hand it may not be.

Ortiz is coming off a loss, Berto is no longer undefeated, so from a ratings standpoint, which the first fight did very solid but not spectacular , perhaps HBO is thinking it will do roughly around the same type of ratings or possibly lower (berto-ortiz got 1.5 million viewers, Hopkins-Pascal II did 1.8 million viewers just to compare).

Because of that I personally think it's good not to OVERPAY for this fight. Who knows maybe berto clinches all fight and Ortiz doesn't have that same fire in him.

In the old days no doubt HBO would buy this fight. But Ken Hersham did wonders at Showtime with such a small budget. He knows how to manage money well and still make good fights. That's a good sign as far as I'm concerned because that means they aren't going to just blow their load early in the year like they always do, which can hurt boxing later in the year (no money left for good fights, thus we have to settle for boring mismatches).

Plus, it's good for Showtime. I think it's good to have more equality amongst the big names of the sports between the two networks. Also I imagine Showtime will do some cool things, like a Fight Camp 360, a "Staredown" and the likes, whereas on HBO at best they'd do a "Face Off w/max kellerman."