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LOL this guy arguing tooth and nail about my ranking of Kovalev and u end up putting Stevenson and Kovalev in the same spot! These minor differences we have you love to make seem like we're debating the existence of God lmao.
*I personally dropped Garcia because I thought he lost and refused to give a rematch.
Devon Alexander, Amir Khan, guys like that I see beating JMM but losing to Pac. Both have declined but jmm is over 40 now and the end is real close (he might retire I'm not sure what's th3 latest on that).
Yeah he's definitely a Jermain Taylor 2.0. I just think him getting knocked out the fight prior lessons the victory a bit for Stevenson. We disagree here, but again it's a rather minor disagreement.
Well the lineal "title" isn't necessarily a belt, it's imaginary not recognized by anyone but fans and historians, however I'll give you this since The Ring Magazine does (although they pretty much made a mockery of it a couple years ago but that's a different subject) so yes, Kovalev three, Stevenson two.
No that's not what I mean. Hopkins didn't physically hurt Cloud. My point was the win was less impressive being that he was coming off a loss. If Cloud was undefeated and a title holder that's more impressive. Regardless it's Tavoris Cloud, who's proven to be really one dimensional and not very good. But I'll give Stevenson this - the way Stevenson boxed and moved was impressive in the sense that it showed Stevenson isn't a one trick pony. He does have the ability to box.
My main point was Kovalev and Stevenson have very similar resumes, the difference being Hopkins, thus my reasoning of placing him higher. It wasn't just that he beat Hopkins either it was how he did it - a complete shut out which no man has ever done. 49 years old or not Hopkins is still capable of beating top fighters so for me, the way in which Kovalev did, by out boxing him, out thinking him, countering him, etc, was impressive.
*I personally dropped Garcia because I thought he lost and refused to give a rematch.
Devon Alexander, Amir Khan, guys like that I see beating JMM but losing to Pac. Both have declined but jmm is over 40 now and the end is real close (he might retire I'm not sure what's th3 latest on that).
Yeah he's definitely a Jermain Taylor 2.0. I just think him getting knocked out the fight prior lessons the victory a bit for Stevenson. We disagree here, but again it's a rather minor disagreement.
Well the lineal "title" isn't necessarily a belt, it's imaginary not recognized by anyone but fans and historians, however I'll give you this since The Ring Magazine does (although they pretty much made a mockery of it a couple years ago but that's a different subject) so yes, Kovalev three, Stevenson two.
No that's not what I mean. Hopkins didn't physically hurt Cloud. My point was the win was less impressive being that he was coming off a loss. If Cloud was undefeated and a title holder that's more impressive. Regardless it's Tavoris Cloud, who's proven to be really one dimensional and not very good. But I'll give Stevenson this - the way Stevenson boxed and moved was impressive in the sense that it showed Stevenson isn't a one trick pony. He does have the ability to box.
My main point was Kovalev and Stevenson have very similar resumes, the difference being Hopkins, thus my reasoning of placing him higher. It wasn't just that he beat Hopkins either it was how he did it - a complete shut out which no man has ever done. 49 years old or not Hopkins is still capable of beating top fighters so for me, the way in which Kovalev did, by out boxing him, out thinking him, countering him, etc, was impressive.
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LOL that's what I've been saying
See, I thought he was very technical against Hopkins and Bhop even said that after the fight. Kovalev showed a lot as a fighter to me, he had a plan and stuck to it for 12 full rounds never getting frustrated, he countered shots, he moved back after attacking never allowing Hopkins to counter and forced him to reset over and over. It was a more cerebral fight than just raw power.
for me, canelo is a good, solid fighter, but nothing he does imo is really great, besides probably his left hand to the body. I see a guy who's squeaked past a couple guyslike Trout, who I tthought came extremely close to winning and Lara who imo lost the fight himself by not throwing enough punches versus Canelo beating him. Now these are GOOD wins for Canelo make no mistake about it and his resume is better without question, but if I compare the two and imagine if they were the same size (thus pound 4 pound), I see Kovalev being the better fighter.
It's utter trash! :chinese:
See, I thought he was very technical against Hopkins and Bhop even said that after the fight. Kovalev showed a lot as a fighter to me, he had a plan and stuck to it for 12 full rounds never getting frustrated, he countered shots, he moved back after attacking never allowing Hopkins to counter and forced him to reset over and over. It was a more cerebral fight than just raw power.
for me, canelo is a good, solid fighter, but nothing he does imo is really great, besides probably his left hand to the body. I see a guy who's squeaked past a couple guyslike Trout, who I tthought came extremely close to winning and Lara who imo lost the fight himself by not throwing enough punches versus Canelo beating him. Now these are GOOD wins for Canelo make no mistake about it and his resume is better without question, but if I compare the two and imagine if they were the same size (thus pound 4 pound), I see Kovalev being the better fighter.
It's utter trash! :chinese:
He very well could be, but he's had one fight in 2013 against Rodriguez and zero fights in 2014. Inactivity is hurting him (for now). I hope he gets his stuff straight and comes back strong in 2015.
And that goes for a lot of fighters. 2014 was weak as fuck. Hopkins vs Kovalev was one of the most significant fights of the year by far and it shouldn't be like that.
And that goes for a lot of fighters. 2014 was weak as fuck. Hopkins vs Kovalev was one of the most significant fights of the year by far and it shouldn't be like that.
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Man this Narvaez/Inoue card went from must download to must watch live.
http://boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=703252
That's disgusting. Kind of cool to see Narvaez & Inoue's brothers fighting each other on the undercard (don't know why they spell Nestor's last name differently).
http://boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=703252
That's disgusting. Kind of cool to see Narvaez & Inoue's brothers fighting each other on the undercard (don't know why they spell Nestor's last name differently).
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What is this dude reading? It was pretty clear that we had him #1 and no one really argued that except the comment about Ward.
I actually think Ward is the best out there right now, but he's not fighting. Who knows if/when he comes back if he'll even be at that level with as long as he's been out.
I actually think Ward is the best out there right now, but he's not fighting. Who knows if/when he comes back if he'll even be at that level with as long as he's been out.
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Hopkins vs Kovalev drew in big numbers on HBO
date November 12th, 2014 | Post Comment - 22 Comments
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sergey kovalev 2 bernard hopkins photoBy Wilmar Patino: On Saturday night despite a late start on the eastcoast (midnight) the light heavyweight unification bout between Bernard Hopkins and Sergey Kovalev drew in the 2nd highest numbers of views this year for HBO. A highly anticipated match of an established star in Hopkins and a fast rising star in Kovalev.
According to Nielsen Media Research the bout averaged a viewership of 1.328 million! With a peak of 1.397 million views. This makes it the 2nd most viewed fight in the United States for 2014. Only behind the Julio Cesar Chavez Jr vs Brian Vera rematch. Which average 1.390 views on HBO for the fight on March 1.
Hopkins vs Kovalev proved to be a success for both men confirming the public still has interest in watching Bernard Hopkins fight. It also proves that Sergey Kovalev is a fast rising star. With just a few fights left for the year and none as hyped as this one. We can securely conclude that this will be HBO’s 2nd biggest hit of the year. What will the year of 2015 bring? Hopefully fights the fans want to see as it is proved to be the most succesful formula to viewership and subscriptions to HBO. We shall see.
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sergey kovalev 2 bernard hopkins photoBy Wilmar Patino: On Saturday night despite a late start on the eastcoast (midnight) the light heavyweight unification bout between Bernard Hopkins and Sergey Kovalev drew in the 2nd highest numbers of views this year for HBO. A highly anticipated match of an established star in Hopkins and a fast rising star in Kovalev.
According to Nielsen Media Research the bout averaged a viewership of 1.328 million! With a peak of 1.397 million views. This makes it the 2nd most viewed fight in the United States for 2014. Only behind the Julio Cesar Chavez Jr vs Brian Vera rematch. Which average 1.390 views on HBO for the fight on March 1.
Hopkins vs Kovalev proved to be a success for both men confirming the public still has interest in watching Bernard Hopkins fight. It also proves that Sergey Kovalev is a fast rising star. With just a few fights left for the year and none as hyped as this one. We can securely conclude that this will be HBO’s 2nd biggest hit of the year. What will the year of 2015 bring? Hopefully fights the fans want to see as it is proved to be the most succesful formula to viewership and subscriptions to HBO. We shall see.
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Hopkins-Kovalev aftermath: A good plan gone wrong
date November 10th, 2014 | Post Comment - 1 Comment
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sergey kovalev 2 bernard hopkins photoBy Yannis Mihanos: Last Saturday night Sergey Kovalev krushed the hopes of Bernard Hopkins of becoming a unified world champion at the remarkable age of 49.
Prior to that fight, expectation of Hopkins winning the fight had grown substantially big. Could the old horse pull it off again ? Kovalev was also coming with a big hype as he had crushed all his earlier 23 opponents… even if for some were considered tomato cans. As for tomato cans, even Hopkins said in an interview it takes a certain skill to open the tomato can without cutting your hand…
The plan for Hopkins was simple and had been already used with success from Bernard many times in the past: basically it was to let the opponent beat himself by expending all his vital energy reserves, letting him become sloppy and then outgun and defeat him.
The plan was seemingly good and proved effective with other opponents like Kelly Pavlik. But as very intelligently said by boxing coach and HBO tv analyst Roy Jones jr: Kovalev is not Pavlik.
He was dead right. Kovalev was not to compare with any other opponent that Hopkins had faced before. So the plan this time proved faulty. Kovalev was too strong, too big and too patient. The last was the one that ruined the plan. Hopkins kept waiting for Kovalev to make a mistake but it never happened. Kovalev won almost every round convincingly. It was clear in the entire fight that there was a difference in size and power. It felt like Hopkins was the smaller guy. To his credit he (Hopkins) absorbed some of the crushing punches and stood tall like a real champion.
Hopkins also became the only one to last the full 12 rounds against Kovalev. And what can I say about Sergey: he is indeed an impeccable force in this category: too strong for anyone.
So what holds the future for these 2 special fighters?
Someone may wonder for what future am I talking about especially when talking about a 49 year guy…. still, I don’t think that the fight was won by the difference of age. I didn’t feel pity for Hopkins, he came at top physical condition but he clearly lost to a better man. It happens in boxing, it happens in any sports. There is no shame in losing from another great opponent.
Still I sense that Hopkins will continue as he wants surely to quit on his own terms and not because of one unfortunate result.
From what I saw last Saturday night Kovalev will have a problem to pick opponents in the future if he continues crushing them like this …
It was a good plan gone wrong.
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sergey kovalev 2 bernard hopkins photoBy Yannis Mihanos: Last Saturday night Sergey Kovalev krushed the hopes of Bernard Hopkins of becoming a unified world champion at the remarkable age of 49.
Prior to that fight, expectation of Hopkins winning the fight had grown substantially big. Could the old horse pull it off again ? Kovalev was also coming with a big hype as he had crushed all his earlier 23 opponents… even if for some were considered tomato cans. As for tomato cans, even Hopkins said in an interview it takes a certain skill to open the tomato can without cutting your hand…
The plan for Hopkins was simple and had been already used with success from Bernard many times in the past: basically it was to let the opponent beat himself by expending all his vital energy reserves, letting him become sloppy and then outgun and defeat him.
The plan was seemingly good and proved effective with other opponents like Kelly Pavlik. But as very intelligently said by boxing coach and HBO tv analyst Roy Jones jr: Kovalev is not Pavlik.
He was dead right. Kovalev was not to compare with any other opponent that Hopkins had faced before. So the plan this time proved faulty. Kovalev was too strong, too big and too patient. The last was the one that ruined the plan. Hopkins kept waiting for Kovalev to make a mistake but it never happened. Kovalev won almost every round convincingly. It was clear in the entire fight that there was a difference in size and power. It felt like Hopkins was the smaller guy. To his credit he (Hopkins) absorbed some of the crushing punches and stood tall like a real champion.
Hopkins also became the only one to last the full 12 rounds against Kovalev. And what can I say about Sergey: he is indeed an impeccable force in this category: too strong for anyone.
So what holds the future for these 2 special fighters?
Someone may wonder for what future am I talking about especially when talking about a 49 year guy…. still, I don’t think that the fight was won by the difference of age. I didn’t feel pity for Hopkins, he came at top physical condition but he clearly lost to a better man. It happens in boxing, it happens in any sports. There is no shame in losing from another great opponent.
Still I sense that Hopkins will continue as he wants surely to quit on his own terms and not because of one unfortunate result.
From what I saw last Saturday night Kovalev will have a problem to pick opponents in the future if he continues crushing them like this …
It was a good plan gone wrong.