Blacks & Whites in the Midwest = Widest Gap of Any Two Racial Groups in the US

[dawun]

Thats the whole point, There are people that made it out of the ghetto and white people dont look down on them and they arnt the ones that they dislike because they contribute to society. Its the thugs and gangsters with in the black race that white people dont like and its not because they are black its because they for the most part are criminals.

To say white people dont like blacks is just straight up wrong. Blacks are liked when they come correct and if they gangbang and sell drugs they arnt going to be liked and its NOT because they are black. White people hate white drug dealers/gangsters just as much.

Okay you only seeing the hood side. Even those blacks that raise up are facing discrimination. You can't say that all white people like all successful black people. There is white people out there that don't like black people period, regardless of success and not livin in the hood. Good blacks are looked down upon by some whites, just cause they are black, white people don't view their success and accomplishments, they will make assumptions based on race before they get a chance to know them. Now once they know them they may have a change of heart, but they shouldn't have been hated on from the beginning, see what i'm sayin. Then there's some whites that won't give blacks a chance to prove them wrong, which they shouldn't have to go out of their way to do. White people will look at other whites and be like oh he's a nice little white boy wholesome and when they look at blacks they thinkin they gonna get robbed. See its the view and attitiude that many whites still have today that is a big problem, its not the only problem but its a big part.

 

[swoop187]

Okay you only seeing the hood side. Even those blacks that raise up are facing discrimination. You can't say that all white people like all successful black people. There is white people out there that don't like black people period, regardless of success and not livin in the hood. Good blacks are looked down upon by some whites, just cause they are black, white people don't view their success and accomplishments, they will make assumptions based on race before they get a chance to know them. Now once they know them they may have a change of heart, but they shouldn't have been hated on from the beginning, see what i'm sayin. Then there's some whites that won't give blacks a chance to prove them wrong, which they shouldn't have to go out of their way to do. White people will look at other whites and be like oh he's a nice little white boy wholesome and when they look at blacks they thinkin they gonna get robbed. See its the view and attitiude that many whites still have today that is a big problem, its not the only problem but its a big part.

Yes your right but your making it seem that more white people then not are racist and thats just not the case. If anything more black people are racist against whites then whites racist against blacks.

"whites looking at blacks thinking they are going to get robbed"

Thats silly, IF a black guy walks up in a suit and tie no ones going to think anything about him BUT if he walks up in some baggy pants, white T, tattos, Ice and a gold grill YES im sure alot of white people will think they will get robbed and they have every reason to think that way.. why? because gang members and drug dealers dress that way. DO you think whites are only afrade of blacks? Im sure if a biker walked up to a white soccer mom she would be affrade too. Shit white peole that know i have been to prison are afrade of me and they have every reason to be becouse i have been to prison but im not a bad person but they dont know that.

Its how you present your self man not your skin color.

 

[loyalty7414]

Its how you present your self man not your skin color.

Study shows how deeply black men face discrimination in hiring
Last Updated: Oct. 8, 2003
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Tannette Johnson-Elie
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Yet another study finds that racial discrimination is alive and well in the hiring process, and it's keeping black men in metro Milwaukee on the unemployment rolls.

The study offers this fictional scenario:

A young, white, male high school graduate with a felony conviction applies in person for entry level jobs as a driver, a dishwasher, a laborer, warehouse worker and production worker that are advertised in the newspaper and admits to employers that he served 18 months in prison for possession of cocaine with intent to sell.



A young black man with similar education, work history and style of presentation, but with no criminal record, applies for the same jobs.

Who do you think is more likely to be called back?

If you picked the white man with the felony conviction, you guessed right.

This study offers evidence that discrimination remains a major factor in the economic lives of black men, and highlights the fear and misunderstanding of black males that permeate the local job market.

Devah Pager, a sociologist at Northwestern University in Evanston, Ill., sent equally matched pairs of testers - two black and two white - to apply for low-skilled jobs at 350 places of employment in the Milwaukee area and found that white ex-offenders were more likely to be called back for an interview than black applicants who had no criminal record.

Students test employers
In this detailed study, bright, articulate, college students posed as job applicants. Even though the results were strikingly close, black men without criminal records were called back only 14% of the time, while whites with criminal records were called back 17% of the time.

The study, titled "The Mark of a Criminal Record," was conducted in Milwaukee between June and December 2001, and the results were released last month.

"It shows there's a great deal of work that has to be done in the education of employers and working on attitudes," says Julia Taylor, president of the Greater Milwaukee Committee. "This type of racial disparity in employment practices really impacts us as a region. It impacts our work force, and it really impacts how the inner-city moves forward."

Pager chose Milwaukee for her experiment because it is representative of most large metropolitan areas in its size, racial demographics and industrial base, she says.

The study's findings would surprise few African-Americans in this city, who know from experience that this kind of discrimination exists in the job market. Research shows that white Americans, however, have been led to think that direct, racial discrimination of this nature has become less of a problem in our society.

It was even surprising to Pager, a young white woman.

"I expected that there would be an effect of race. I thought the effect of a criminal record would swamp other effects," Pager says. "That assumption was clearly wrong. It really suggests that stereotypes and assumptions about black males are very much a factor in hiring decisions."

Facing tougher odds
The study demonstrates the increased odds black male ex-offenders face in finding employment and successfully reintegrating into the economic mainstream, says Lenard Wells, chairman of the Milwaukee Parole Commission and a former Milwaukee police officer.

"It's as if there's a concerted effort to keep black men from getting employment, to keep them oppressed," says Wells, former president of the League of Martin, an organization of black Milwaukee police officers.

"We say we want to reintegrate individuals into the community. We say that we want to do something about unemployment in the black community, yet we want to pretend that it's a criminal record that prevents blacks from getting jobs. It's blatant, undisputed, racism," he says.

Combine the effects of race and a criminal record, and the problem becomes worse. For instance, only 5% of black men with criminal records received callbacks from employers, the study found.

White men without criminal records fared the best in the Milwaukee-area job market, with 34% receiving callbacks from employers.

Keep in mind that it's illegal to discriminate against applicants with criminal records unless the circumstances of the crime correspond closely to the requirements of the job, says Phoebe Weaver Williams, an associate professor of law at Marquette University who specializes in employment discrimination.

"What's frustrating is that, after so many years of having laws in place, the laws haven't corrected the problem," Weaver Williams says.

Clearly, the study's findings demonstrate that a criminal record closes doors on employment.

Still, employers are averse to taking risks on black applicants, whom they perceive to have criminal tendencies, the study says. For example, black testers were more likely to be asked by employers whether they had any convictions, yet none of the white testers were asked about their criminal histories up front.

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A couple of factors that work against young black men is their portrayal in the media as gangsters, thugs and rappers on the fringes of society, and the fact that more black men are going to prison than college, according to a report by the U.S. Justice Department.

The sad reality is that the majority of those inmates will be released back into communities where they have little opportunity to obtain legitimate work. Research shows that one of the factors for recidivism is employment.

Black felons face a hostile job market in Milwaukee, says Wendell Hruska, associate director of Project Return, a Milwaukee agency that helps felons and people convicted of misdemeanors find employment.

"Discrimination is very much a problem. That's what we've been hearing from our clients," Hruska says. "A lot of people get discouraged. Unfortunately, many of them give up. You really can't blame people when you've been out there for months putting in applications and you hear nothing back."

This research helps us measure the degree of discrimination that exists in the hiring process.

But the question remains: How do we attack a problem that so affects the economic lives of black men in Milwaukee, where many employers still make hiring decisions colored by fear and misunderstanding?

 

[loyalty7414]

If anything more black people are racist against whites then whites racist against blacks.

ridiculous

 

[swoop187]

Study shows how deeply black men face discrimination in hiring
Last Updated: Oct. 8, 2003
Opportunities



Tannette Johnson-Elie
E-MAIL

Yet another study finds that racial discrimination is alive and well in the hiring process, and it's keeping black men in metro Milwaukee on the unemployment rolls.

The study offers this fictional scenario:

A young, white, male high school graduate with a felony conviction applies in person for entry level jobs as a driver, a dishwasher, a laborer, warehouse worker and production worker that are advertised in the newspaper and admits to employers that he served 18 months in prison for possession of cocaine with intent to sell.



A young black man with similar education, work history and style of presentation, but with no criminal record, applies for the same jobs.

Who do you think is more likely to be called back?

If you picked the white man with the felony conviction, you guessed right.

This study offers evidence that discrimination remains a major factor in the economic lives of black men, and highlights the fear and misunderstanding of black males that permeate the local job market.

Devah Pager, a sociologist at Northwestern University in Evanston, Ill., sent equally matched pairs of testers - two black and two white - to apply for low-skilled jobs at 350 places of employment in the Milwaukee area and found that white ex-offenders were more likely to be called back for an interview than black applicants who had no criminal record.

Students test employers
In this detailed study, bright, articulate, college students posed as job applicants. Even though the results were strikingly close, black men without criminal records were called back only 14% of the time, while whites with criminal records were called back 17% of the time.

The study, titled "The Mark of a Criminal Record," was conducted in Milwaukee between June and December 2001, and the results were released last month.

"It shows there's a great deal of work that has to be done in the education of employers and working on attitudes," says Julia Taylor, president of the Greater Milwaukee Committee. "This type of racial disparity in employment practices really impacts us as a region. It impacts our work force, and it really impacts how the inner-city moves forward."

Pager chose Milwaukee for her experiment because it is representative of most large metropolitan areas in its size, racial demographics and industrial base, she says.

The study's findings would surprise few African-Americans in this city, who know from experience that this kind of discrimination exists in the job market. Research shows that white Americans, however, have been led to think that direct, racial discrimination of this nature has become less of a problem in our society.

It was even surprising to Pager, a young white woman.

"I expected that there would be an effect of race. I thought the effect of a criminal record would swamp other effects," Pager says. "That assumption was clearly wrong. It really suggests that stereotypes and assumptions about black males are very much a factor in hiring decisions."

Facing tougher odds
The study demonstrates the increased odds black male ex-offenders face in finding employment and successfully reintegrating into the economic mainstream, says Lenard Wells, chairman of the Milwaukee Parole Commission and a former Milwaukee police officer.

"It's as if there's a concerted effort to keep black men from getting employment, to keep them oppressed," says Wells, former president of the League of Martin, an organization of black Milwaukee police officers.

"We say we want to reintegrate individuals into the community. We say that we want to do something about unemployment in the black community, yet we want to pretend that it's a criminal record that prevents blacks from getting jobs. It's blatant, undisputed, racism," he says.

Combine the effects of race and a criminal record, and the problem becomes worse. For instance, only 5% of black men with criminal records received callbacks from employers, the study found.

White men without criminal records fared the best in the Milwaukee-area job market, with 34% receiving callbacks from employers.

Keep in mind that it's illegal to discriminate against applicants with criminal records unless the circumstances of the crime correspond closely to the requirements of the job, says Phoebe Weaver Williams, an associate professor of law at Marquette University who specializes in employment discrimination.

"What's frustrating is that, after so many years of having laws in place, the laws haven't corrected the problem," Weaver Williams says.

Clearly, the study's findings demonstrate that a criminal record closes doors on employment.

Still, employers are averse to taking risks on black applicants, whom they perceive to have criminal tendencies, the study says. For example, black testers were more likely to be asked by employers whether they had any convictions, yet none of the white testers were asked about their criminal histories up front.

Image problems
A couple of factors that work against young black men is their portrayal in the media as gangsters, thugs and rappers on the fringes of society, and the fact that more black men are going to prison than college, according to a report by the U.S. Justice Department.

The sad reality is that the majority of those inmates will be released back into communities where they have little opportunity to obtain legitimate work. Research shows that one of the factors for recidivism is employment.

Black felons face a hostile job market in Milwaukee, says Wendell Hruska, associate director of Project Return, a Milwaukee agency that helps felons and people convicted of misdemeanors find employment.

"Discrimination is very much a problem. That's what we've been hearing from our clients," Hruska says. "A lot of people get discouraged. Unfortunately, many of them give up. You really can't blame people when you've been out there for months putting in applications and you hear nothing back."

This research helps us measure the degree of discrimination that exists in the hiring process.

But the question remains: How do we attack a problem that so affects the economic lives of black men in Milwaukee, where many employers still make hiring decisions colored by fear and misunderstanding?

I can find bias shit all day long. Your article says "equally matched" how do we know that? Maybe the white guy wanted a job and the black guy wanted to prove something? Maybe the white guy was dressed appropriate for the job search and the black guy was dressed like a rapper. I can go out and find an experiment that completely contradicts this experiment. I have talked to black people who think they have more of a chance at landing a job because they are black.

If you want to keep on blaming white people go right ahead but that’s gong to get you no where. The people that see they have just as much of a chance as anyone else are the people that advance in life.

 

[swoop187]

ridiculous

Rediculous? what world do you live in? Im from the "ghetto" and i know how black folk from other hoods treat me, im just another white boy thats lookin to by dope when im in their hoods and treat me as such. But im not there to buy their shitty ass rocks. ITs all white boy this white boy that, yea that ends quick when they figure out who i am.

Another thing, I have applied in the black neighborhoods for jobs and there have been times where they have said "we dont hire white boys"

Im not saying every black person is racist obviously but there are alot out their that dont like white people and blame them for their own fuck ups.

 

[loyalty7414]

Rediculous? what world do you live in? Im from the "ghetto" and i know how black folk from other hoods treat me, im just another white boy thats lookin to by dope when im in their hoods and treat me as such. But im not there to buy their shitty ass rocks. ITs all white boy this white boy that, yea that ends quick when they figure out who i am.

Another thing, I have applied in the black neighborhoods for jobs and there have been times where they have said "we dont hire white boys"

Im not saying every black person is racist obviously but there are alot out their that dont like white people and blame them for their own fuck ups.

My spelling of ridiculous was correct.

#1.Blacks make up 12% of the country while whites make up about 70%.Thats about 30 million people compared to roughly 200 million.If only by pure numbers,there couldnt possibly be more blacks that ''hate'' whites than vice versa.
#2.Whites are the ones that have oppressed us-brutally,relentlessly,and constantly-for hundreds of years,not the other way around.So how could we ''hate'' you all more than whites hate us?
#3.If someone blatently told you that they wouldnt hire you because of your race,well,thats grounds for a lawsuit.When blacks face discrimination from white employers(which happens constantly,everyday) its not as in your face as that.They just so happen to ''choose'' employees that most often are not black.In other words,I doubt your story because very few employers would be stupid enough to flat out tell you they wont hire members of your race.They would be pretty much throwing thier job away.

Besides,90% of the time in the black community,especially with chains of large,national/international companies,whites own the stores.The manager and all of the employees may be black,but the owner of the store is white.

Any way, less than 5% of whites are jobless compared with over half of the male segment of our population.The average white person also has double the income of the avergage black person.Whites pretty much run the USA-from corporations,politics,banks,and other powerful institutions.What am I getting at? whatever ''discrimination'' you supposedly face from blacks can not compare to the discrimination that blacks face from whites.We dont have the power to.

 

[loyalty7414]

If you want to keep on blaming white people go right ahead but that’s gong to get you no where. The people that see they have just as much of a chance as anyone else are the people that advance in life.

Well,white people are to blame for oppressing not only blacks,but native americans and other people.As a white person I can see why your sick,perverted mind would just want us to ignore this long standing,100% true,with hundreds of years of proof,fact.What better way to keep fucking people over then to have even THEM ignore it?


Im advancing in life quite well.Just because I refuse to ignore facts does not mean I can't/won't move forward.

 

[loyalty7414]

I have talked to black people who think they have more of a chance at landing a job because they are black.

Making up stories again like the time an employer supposedly told you that they refused to hire members of your race?

 

[loyalty7414]

I can go out and find an experiment that completely contradicts this experiment

Please do so.I would be interested in reading it.

 

[swoop187]

Well,white people are to blame for oppressing not only blacks,but native americans and other people.As a white person I can see why your sick,perverted mind would just want us to ignore this long standing,100% true,with hundreds of years of proof,fact.What better way to keep fucking people over then to have even THEM ignore it?


Im advancing in life quite well.Just because I refuse to ignore facts does not mean I can't/won't move forward.

You were never a slave, bringing in the past is noting more then another excuse. Your basicaly saying you now disserve whatever you want without earning it because of the past? people should just hire a crack head with no work experience because of the past? It dosent work that way at all.

The reason why somany blacks are unemployed is becouse they come from ghettos and choose the easy way out at the time and that is crime, they fuck up there futures and blame white people for it. You stay in school, stay away from drugs and gangs and you will have a good life and plenty of black leaders are preaching that with in their own communities, they arnt staying its the white mans fault.

Im italian man, Do you see me bitching about my grand parents oppresson??? NO, they came here were oppressed worked hard and got through it. Do you see me bitching about the Moores (black pirates) that went to Sicily and raped italian woman to make to Sicillan race? NO. Do you see me bitching about being a convict? no, I choose that type of life and i paid for it for a while.

 

[swoop187]

Making up stories again like the time an employer supposedly told you that they refused to hire members of your race?

lol, dont make me prove you wrong. I can bring video evidence into this one.

 

[loyalty7414]

You were never a slave, bringing in the past is noting more then another excuse. Your basicaly saying you now disserve whatever you want without earning it because of the past? people should just hire a crack head with no work experience because of the past? It dosent work that way at all.

Nothing I post is an ''excuse''.Its all proven facts.

I never said that people should hire crack heads with no work experience(you always seem to point to negative stereotypes regarding blacks,proving that you are indeed a racist)...however,white criminals should not get more job opportunties than black men with no criminal history and equal qualifications.Thats insane.That pretty much means in US society that the worst whites are ''better'' then the best blacks.Which is the case here in the USA in 2006.That means that skin color is the main factor in the job market....which is wrong.

 

[loyalty7414]

lol, dont make me prove you wrong. I can bring video evidence into this one.

do so

 

[rwashing34]

you might wannna join the NATION MAYNE.. ARE YU BLACK? IF YOUR NOT TO BAD.. GOOD PREACHEN..GOOD INFO FOR A BROTHA..

 

[loyalty7414]

The reason why somany blacks are unemployed is becouse they come from ghettos and choose the easy way out at the time and that is crime

Crime is not a ''way out'' of the ghetto.You must really think the average drug dealer is driving Escalades and living in mansions.Quit believing all of those videos.People are turning to crime because this racist society blocks the masses of young black men from ''legal'' employment.People have to eat,and will not just stand still and starve to death because jobs are scarce.

 

[loyalty7414]

you might wannna join the NATION MAYNE.. ARE YU BLACK? IF YOUR NOT TO BAD.. GOOD PREACHEN..GOOD INFO FOR A BROTHA..

Yes I am Black.Im glad I can spread info to you,as i know i wont change RACISTS like Swoops mind.If one person gains insight on this racist society by reading some of these poststhen its for the good.You can see the mindstate of the avergage white amerikkkan(defend/ignore whites discrimination,let thier own bigot views be known by pointing to negative stereotypes about blacks) by Swoop and others posts.This is the mindstate of the avergae white hip hop fan as well.They may buy our music but they dont really get the message of it,they just think it sounds cool.

 

[rwashing34]

JUST LIKE WHEN YOU FILL OUT AN APPLICATION AND IT ASK YOU IF YOU EVER COMMITTED A FELONY.. KNOWING THAT IF YOU MARK YES.. THEY STILL WON'T HIRE YOU.. OUR COUNTRY WAS BUILT BY FELONS FROM ENGLAND.. ALL THOSE BRITISH WHO CAME HERE TO SETTLE I AMERICA WERE CRIMINALS LET LOOSE FROM ENGLAND BECAUSE THE JAILZ WERE TO FULL.. GEORGE WASHINGTON,THOMAS JEFFERSON.."SLAVEOWNERZ." THE KKK.. THEY ASSASINATE ANYBODY WHO TRIED TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.. ABRAHAM LINCOLN, JOHN KENNEDY, MARTINLUTHER KING MALCOM X THE LIST GOES ON.. ALL THOSE GUYZ WERE CRIMINALS BEFORE THEY CAME TO AMERICA.. THEY SLAUGHTERED MILLIONS OF SLAVES..RAPED THEM..THERE THE REAL CRIMINALS YET THATZ NOT WHAT THEY TEACH IN SCHOOLS.. AMERICA IS LIVIN ON A BIG LIE.. GEORGE BUSH IS A CRIMINAL WHO PUT A HIT ON SADAAM BECAUSE HE TRIED TO KILL HIS FATHER.. IN AMERICA LAW THEY SAY RETALIATION IS CONSIDERED ILLEGAL/WRONGFUL.. WE CAN BE JAILED FOR IT RIGHT!..NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.. HE SHOULD BE PUNISHED FOR KILLING ALL THOSE INNOCENT PEOPLE IN IRAQ.. WAR IS NOT ETHICAL.ONLY PERSON PERMITTED TO TAKE ONES LIFE IS GOD.. YET THESE CRIMINALS WHO FOUNDED AMERICA WHO STOLE(CRIME) LAND FROM THE MEXICANS, INDIANS ARE CONSIDERED TO BE GOOD MEN.. WHO ARE THE REAL CRIMINALS.. MAKES YOU THINK A LITTLE HUH.. JUST THOUGHT ID DROP SOME KNOWLEDGE ON YOU CATZ.. THEY HIDE THE TRUTH..

 

[MaddDogg]

xpanther could you clear some of your PMs I have one waiting for you.

 

[loyalty7414]

JUST LIKE WHEN YOU FILL OUT AN APPLICATION AND IT ASK YOU IF YOU EVER COMMITTED A FELONY.. KNOWING THAT IF YOU MARK YES.. THEY STILL WON'T HIRE YOU.. OUR COUNTRY WAS BUILT BY FELONS FROM ENGLAND.. ALL THOSE BRITISH WHO CAME HERE TO SETTLE I AMERICA WERE CRIMINALS LET LOOSE FROM ENGLAND BECAUSE THE JAILZ WERE TO FULL.. GEORGE WASHINGTON,THOMAS JEFFERSON.."SLAVEOWNERZ." THE KKK.. THEY ASSASINATE ANYBODY WHO TRIED TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.. ABRAHAM LINCOLN, JOHN KENNEDY, MARTINLUTHER KING MALCOM X THE LIST GOES ON.. ALL THOSE GUYZ WERE CRIMINALS BEFORE THEY CAME TO AMERICA.. THEY SLAUGHTERED MILLIONS OF SLAVES..RAPED THEM..THERE THE REAL CRIMINALS YET THATZ NOT WHAT THEY TEACH IN SCHOOLS.. AMERICA IS LIVIN ON A BIG LIE.. GEORGE BUSH IS A CRIMINAL WHO PUT A HIT ON SADAAM BECAUSE HE TRIED TO KILL HIS FATHER.. IN AMERICA LAW THEY SAY RETALIATION IS CONSIDERED ILLEGAL/WRONGFUL.. WE CAN BE JAILED FOR IT RIGHT!..NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.. HE SHOULD BE PUNISHED FOR KILLING ALL THOSE INNOCENT PEOPLE IN IRAQ.. WAR IS NOT ETHICAL.ONLY PERSON PERMITTED TO TAKE ONES LIFE IS GOD.. YET THESE CRIMINALS WHO FOUNDED AMERICA WHO STOLE(CRIME) LAND FROM THE MEXICANS, INDIANS ARE CONSIDERED TO BE GOOD MEN.. WHO ARE THE REAL CRIMINALS.. MAKES YOU THINK A LITTLE HUH.. JUST THOUGHT ID DROP SOME KNOWLEDGE ON YOU CATZ.. THEY HIDE THE TRUTH..

Abe Lincoln was a devout racist.Research and you will find several speeches in which he degrades blacks.The civil war was not about whites wanting to free thier ''fellow americans'',it was about states rights/federal authority.The south wanted to hold us as slaves,and the north wanted the labor system(so poor whites could work themselves up).In other words they wanted whites to pay other whites to work instead of having slaves.Lincoln was apart of a movement to send us all ''back to africa'' and would have worked on implementing it if Booth wouldnt have smoked his ass.


Really research these people,and you will find that even those that america puts on a pedestal as ''good'' were indeed racists.