Biggie and Tupac the greatest !!! lmfao
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music, just like any art is subjective. a lot of people feel that these two cats are the greatest...im pretty sure there is an equal amount of people believe that they are just two rappers...nothing more, nothing less. you can play the same song to different people and each person is going to take to it a different way...
calling 2pac shit is like blasphemy on this board lol...niggas love them some pac.
biggie had five albums?...damn where the fuck was i at? lol.
personally, I dont have a greatest of all time type of mentality...i think more in the "top 10" type of mind state
but if you aint feeling Pac or Big...who do you feel is the greatest of all time?...and what rappers are you feeling?
calling 2pac shit is like blasphemy on this board lol...niggas love them some pac.
biggie had five albums?...damn where the fuck was i at? lol.
personally, I dont have a greatest of all time type of mentality...i think more in the "top 10" type of mind state
but if you aint feeling Pac or Big...who do you feel is the greatest of all time?...and what rappers are you feeling?
ok great post...you never mentioned all the negatives aspect of tupacs lyrics or his
negative influence on black youth culture during his period at the top (and after death)
the guy said some real nasty shit & continually raved on about him killin and beating
and having bigger weapons and all them other unimpressive yet impressionable lyrics.
truth or not he didnt exactly set a shining example even though he saw very clearly what
was wrong with rap, black culture & other areas of his own and his friend and families lives.
id have to see a producer in action for me to be convinced they are geniuses when
almost all rap is less than 30seconds of different music. loop, loop, loop. i know people
that use acapellas in thier tracks which consist of far more than 30seconds music. it works.
rap loops arent all that hard to create...i wish more work was spent on changes in the loops,
far less choruses & double choruses, less talking & far more rapping. these guys appear lazy
please dont presume im a 50cent fan..im not.also to even mention ja rule for me ruins
any credibility your post may of had. my favourite rapper is definately not on tupacs level.
mystikal lol....personally i dont think i have a fav rapper that could be greatest.
my only candidate would be krs-one. at least hes kept his focus and vocal objectives clear.
tupac & biggie couldnt make thier minds up who they were or how to best represent themselves.
i went for quite an aggressive approach in this thread so maybe i would not only be set straight
but actually recieve some informed views on why tupac & biggie are rated the 2 greatest ever.
if we cant critisize the dead, only praise them i think life would be very borng.
i paid my respects even though i dont have much respect for them. peace
negative influence on black youth culture during his period at the top (and after death)
the guy said some real nasty shit & continually raved on about him killin and beating
and having bigger weapons and all them other unimpressive yet impressionable lyrics.
truth or not he didnt exactly set a shining example even though he saw very clearly what
was wrong with rap, black culture & other areas of his own and his friend and families lives.
id have to see a producer in action for me to be convinced they are geniuses when
almost all rap is less than 30seconds of different music. loop, loop, loop. i know people
that use acapellas in thier tracks which consist of far more than 30seconds music. it works.
rap loops arent all that hard to create...i wish more work was spent on changes in the loops,
far less choruses & double choruses, less talking & far more rapping. these guys appear lazy
please dont presume im a 50cent fan..im not.also to even mention ja rule for me ruins
any credibility your post may of had. my favourite rapper is definately not on tupacs level.
mystikal lol....personally i dont think i have a fav rapper that could be greatest.
my only candidate would be krs-one. at least hes kept his focus and vocal objectives clear.
tupac & biggie couldnt make thier minds up who they were or how to best represent themselves.
i went for quite an aggressive approach in this thread so maybe i would not only be set straight
but actually recieve some informed views on why tupac & biggie are rated the 2 greatest ever.
if we cant critisize the dead, only praise them i think life would be very borng.
i paid my respects even though i dont have much respect for them. peace
Biggie and Pac buried cats like KRS-One years ago, sorry to burst your bubble homie. Sure he can battle rap anyone on the planet but nowadays most people couldn't even name one song he was famous for. How can someone be the greatest if your average hip hop fan can't even name one of their songs?
People praise Pac like hes Jesus, it actually gets really nerve racking but the fact that so many people feel him to that point gives strong arguement that hes the greatest.
People praise Pac like hes Jesus, it actually gets really nerve racking but the fact that so many people feel him to that point gives strong arguement that hes the greatest.
aint no bubble..i dont think being well known ie "sellout" can gain you greatness.
tupacs case is alot stronger than biggies for GOAT due to the amount of recorded material.
i do respect them for making money & having a fun life but i dont respect there musical
or lyrical content very much. both ahve thier moments but they rapped alot of bad shit.
tupacs case is alot stronger than biggies for GOAT due to the amount of recorded material.
i do respect them for making money & having a fun life but i dont respect there musical
or lyrical content very much. both ahve thier moments but they rapped alot of bad shit.
Well what the hell u want them to rap about? They rapped about what they went thru in thier lives and the struggles they faced. How they saw things in their perspective. Nobody is going to have a perfect album. But pacs was pretty damn close. So your saying everyone who sells a lot of albums is a sellout that makes no sense. Isnt that the point of the music industry. Name one rapper who dosent want to sell albums? Your points are pretty weak. Why dont you bring up something they said instead of saying oh they rapped alot of bad shit. What was bad? Bring up some lyrics theres plenty of sites that have them for you. Square!!!
I'm not going to read all this shit:
AegrusMind<--------
No matter how much intell you drop on this dude, he still going to feel the same way, ain't shit you can say to make him feel other wise....save your valid points for a better cause.
60 cents---------->FUCC tryin to put him on;
he had to DL Pac, he fuccd up right there...
AegrusMind<--------
No matter how much intell you drop on this dude, he still going to feel the same way, ain't shit you can say to make him feel other wise....save your valid points for a better cause.
60 cents---------->FUCC tryin to put him on;
he had to DL Pac, he fuccd up right there...
...dude said it all by stating that he is barely getting around to listening to these cats just right now...
...you obviously weren't into hip hop back then and couldn't begin to fathom where the game was and where these two took it...
...theyre names aren't mentioned as two of the greatest for nothing, and you don't happen to be the only genius in the world while the rest of us are sheep...
...music is subjective and everyone is afforded an opinion, but yours sucks ass...
...you obviously weren't into hip hop back then and couldn't begin to fathom where the game was and where these two took it...
...theyre names aren't mentioned as two of the greatest for nothing, and you don't happen to be the only genius in the world while the rest of us are sheep...
...music is subjective and everyone is afforded an opinion, but yours sucks ass...
Just a joke (remember that jay z line?), he's ok I guess but I really dont get it when people call him great. It just dont make sense to me. To me he's barely a decent rapper, let alone "great." I feel like when peole call rappers like jay z great, it takes away from other rappers who actually were great. Just like people throwin around the words "classic" or "legend" so much that it starts to lose its meaning.
LOL. "Negative influence on black youth culture..." "Didnt set a shining example" HAHAHAHA. god damn. are you serious? How corny would music be if everybody was constantly concerned about "the children.?" LOL mane be serious. Who decides to make music so that they can "set a shining example?" These are 2 men that rapped life as they knew it, and the realities that come with life are what is gonna be the negative influence in the lives of the youth. If anything their music is a positive thing for these youth that you are pretending to be concerned about because it lets them know that they are not the only ones who have been through these things, and that it is possible to come from that negative reality into a positive one. The points you are making in this shit are garbage as fuck. The fact that you 1. Just now heard the music and 2. Are obviously from England (and therefore do not understand the realities that these 2 men lived or black american youth culture for that matter) disqualifies you. "Like omigod listen to these guys talkin about street life, thats like sooooooo negative and stuff." lmao
As far as rap music all just being samples of other music, yes that is how it started and there is a lot of it that is, but you obviously must not know shit about DJ Quik or Mike Mosely or Ant Banks, Shock G or any of the other Top Notch musicians he worked with. Basically you just all around dont know and dont understand what youre talking about so just quit.
As far as rap music all just being samples of other music, yes that is how it started and there is a lot of it that is, but you obviously must not know shit about DJ Quik or Mike Mosely or Ant Banks, Shock G or any of the other Top Notch musicians he worked with. Basically you just all around dont know and dont understand what youre talking about so just quit.
by making a statement such as this it is fair to assume you dont really understand hip hop production....hip hop is not rock music....its not jazz or classical. the focus of the music is the emcee. he/she is the lead guitar, the string section and the trumpet. you were looking for the music to change...it was changing you were just looking in the wrong area. the beat is there to set the mood and create a tempo for the emcees to do their thing....hip hop is very close kin to electronic music...the beat is supposed to be repetitive, ever listen to techno?
producer geniuses in any genre of popular music seperate themselves from everyone else by their ability create music that translates into a memorable songs/albums. like you said...rap loops arent that hard to create...neither are guitar riffs. thats just one piece of the puzzle. the entire finished product is what matters.
like you said...almost all rap is less than 30 seconds of different music....damn, then producing hip hop should be the hardest genre to produce in since all you get is less than 30 seconds of music repeated....that better be a damn good 30 seconds or somebodys getting dropped fro their label lol
producer geniuses in any genre of popular music seperate themselves from everyone else by their ability create music that translates into a memorable songs/albums. like you said...rap loops arent that hard to create...neither are guitar riffs. thats just one piece of the puzzle. the entire finished product is what matters.
like you said...almost all rap is less than 30 seconds of different music....damn, then producing hip hop should be the hardest genre to produce in since all you get is less than 30 seconds of music repeated....that better be a damn good 30 seconds or somebodys getting dropped fro their label lol
Im guessing you just listened to all there shit recently and skimmed most of the tracks, so how can you give proper analysis?
1. You only just heard music thats been out for years. Its like giving a seventeen year old Ushers new album and a Marvin Gaye album and asking then which one they think is better. OR a TLC album and a Destinys Child album.
2. Thats alot of music to actualy listen to and understand, i doubt you gave every track proper attention.
3. Not a good role modal your saying? Tupac opened peoples eyes without sounding to preachy, which is a feat most rappers cant achieve. Thats why niggaz love him cos he was just like them faults and all.
4. I cant be bothered to list more but i suggest you listen more deeply to Tupacs shit before you start running your mouth off.
On a side note...
Biggie was a very good entertainer, he was funny could tell good stories and could spit very well but none of his lyrics held any weight so he in my eyes is not G.O.A.T and never will be.
Jay-Z is not comparable to either of them and anyone who has been listening to Jay-Z since he first dropped will tell you that. ( i aint hating, i still play RD and the Grey Album but i got a whole list of rappers better then Jay-Z, just not richer or as famous.)
Emienem is abit like how Biggie was, an entertainer would can spit but holds no weight and is rarley seen in peoples top ten list unless they are white. ( No Offence, im guessing you can relate to him more jus like i can relate to my artists.)
Every once in a while a thread like this comes along....
1. You only just heard music thats been out for years. Its like giving a seventeen year old Ushers new album and a Marvin Gaye album and asking then which one they think is better. OR a TLC album and a Destinys Child album.
2. Thats alot of music to actualy listen to and understand, i doubt you gave every track proper attention.
3. Not a good role modal your saying? Tupac opened peoples eyes without sounding to preachy, which is a feat most rappers cant achieve. Thats why niggaz love him cos he was just like them faults and all.
4. I cant be bothered to list more but i suggest you listen more deeply to Tupacs shit before you start running your mouth off.
On a side note...
Biggie was a very good entertainer, he was funny could tell good stories and could spit very well but none of his lyrics held any weight so he in my eyes is not G.O.A.T and never will be.
Jay-Z is not comparable to either of them and anyone who has been listening to Jay-Z since he first dropped will tell you that. ( i aint hating, i still play RD and the Grey Album but i got a whole list of rappers better then Jay-Z, just not richer or as famous.)
Emienem is abit like how Biggie was, an entertainer would can spit but holds no weight and is rarley seen in peoples top ten list unless they are white. ( No Offence, im guessing you can relate to him more jus like i can relate to my artists.)
Every once in a while a thread like this comes along....
this is great fun.
if ya sell people shit long enough not only do they buy it
but they actually grow to like it. im not saying all rap is shit
buts its definately the easiest form of music to make a killin
from at the moment. r n b rap makes a fortune so they do it.
alot.
why make a top loop when you could make a top track.
even slight changes in the loops would be good. they
are geniuses in the fact that they make a killing from
there 30 second loops. how you can possibly balance 30
seconds against minutes of creatively different music ???
i love rap..i love rap loops and rapping but i will always want
them to raise thier game. pharell williams makes some noisy
shit sounding loop id be embarrased to have made & he makes
a killing. snoop doggs recent track "drop it like its hot" being
the perfect example. the shitter the track the more it sells lol.
i keep hearing people saying that track is so different, so
fresh and original..what about amateurish and shit.
same with the ultra gay sellouts outkast.
about sellouts...if your to stupid to get my point thats ok.
i doubt tupac made all them r n b tunes to help his gangster
credibility. he sold out & much as he possibly could.
i beleive he should of been setting a better example because
HE said that..he said alot of good stuff and bad stuff.
lyrics forthcoming
sorry i wasnt able to make my parents have sex 15yrs earlier.
shit i suppose only the first human is allowed to make comments
on other humans.. shit this thread really shows the true intelligence
behind rap and many its fickel rap fans.
thanks to everyone who made some well informed posts.
my apologies i havent got the time to make a far better
case for my aggressive opinions on biggie, tupac and rap
as for my piss taking of easy aids..i agree that was out opf order.
i love easy too ..its the irony that makes me ridicule him.
he findum fuckum and flee. hes ready to fuck until his dick is raw.
which cost him his life.
rip tupac, biggie and easy e.
if ya sell people shit long enough not only do they buy it
but they actually grow to like it. im not saying all rap is shit
buts its definately the easiest form of music to make a killin
from at the moment. r n b rap makes a fortune so they do it.
alot.
why make a top loop when you could make a top track.
even slight changes in the loops would be good. they
are geniuses in the fact that they make a killing from
there 30 second loops. how you can possibly balance 30
seconds against minutes of creatively different music ???
i love rap..i love rap loops and rapping but i will always want
them to raise thier game. pharell williams makes some noisy
shit sounding loop id be embarrased to have made & he makes
a killing. snoop doggs recent track "drop it like its hot" being
the perfect example. the shitter the track the more it sells lol.
i keep hearing people saying that track is so different, so
fresh and original..what about amateurish and shit.
same with the ultra gay sellouts outkast.
about sellouts...if your to stupid to get my point thats ok.
i doubt tupac made all them r n b tunes to help his gangster
credibility. he sold out & much as he possibly could.
i beleive he should of been setting a better example because
HE said that..he said alot of good stuff and bad stuff.
lyrics forthcoming
sorry i wasnt able to make my parents have sex 15yrs earlier.
shit i suppose only the first human is allowed to make comments
on other humans.. shit this thread really shows the true intelligence
behind rap and many its fickel rap fans.
thanks to everyone who made some well informed posts.
my apologies i havent got the time to make a far better
case for my aggressive opinions on biggie, tupac and rap
as for my piss taking of easy aids..i agree that was out opf order.
i love easy too ..its the irony that makes me ridicule him.
he findum fuckum and flee. hes ready to fuck until his dick is raw.
which cost him his life.
rip tupac, biggie and easy e.
There's a lot of things I could say or that I want to say about this topic, but I'm sure someone else will say it. I'd just like to say why Tupac appeals to me: because he couldn't make up his mind on who he was or how to best represent himself.
Every other rapper I've heard is pretty damn sure about who they are - they have a self created image and try to stick to it. Its probably not a real image either.
Tupac had such a hard time figuring out who he was and what his image was all about because he was actually trying to express his real self, recreate himself, learn, and make himself better. It was this struggle to find himself that made him appeal to me so much. Have you ever heard the quote "Be wary of the man who says that he has all of the answers, but learn as much as you can from the man who says that he knows nothing". He was searching for truth, and the ups and downs of his opinions were tied in by his perspective and his emotions and the ever changing world around him. That's a real man right there. He didn't settle for the thug life, fame, and money - he really did want the answers. When you have everything in the world, but your quest is to make yourself a better person and enhance your mind - not so you can make more money or have more success - but to be a better person, I think its a very respectable thing.
Granted, this is what I read into all of it, and its my opinion about him, nothing more, nothing less. You probably think I just glorified the man's entire life. I dont think of him as a god or anything. But i do consider him a great man. I've felt this way since I was old enough to listen to music with parental advisaries on them.
Every other rapper I've heard is pretty damn sure about who they are - they have a self created image and try to stick to it. Its probably not a real image either.
Tupac had such a hard time figuring out who he was and what his image was all about because he was actually trying to express his real self, recreate himself, learn, and make himself better. It was this struggle to find himself that made him appeal to me so much. Have you ever heard the quote "Be wary of the man who says that he has all of the answers, but learn as much as you can from the man who says that he knows nothing". He was searching for truth, and the ups and downs of his opinions were tied in by his perspective and his emotions and the ever changing world around him. That's a real man right there. He didn't settle for the thug life, fame, and money - he really did want the answers. When you have everything in the world, but your quest is to make yourself a better person and enhance your mind - not so you can make more money or have more success - but to be a better person, I think its a very respectable thing.
Granted, this is what I read into all of it, and its my opinion about him, nothing more, nothing less. You probably think I just glorified the man's entire life. I dont think of him as a god or anything. But i do consider him a great man. I've felt this way since I was old enough to listen to music with parental advisaries on them.