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I read some of the posts about the name of god, and i gotta say i'm a little suprised in how religious some of the people on this board. i myself am atheist. i'm not a lil 12 year kid that just listened to his brotha lynch cd and is goin around sayin it. i've given much research and thought into my opinion and i gotta say thats what i came up with. plz i dont want haters in the post talkin shit i just wanted to express my belief. im actually more agnostic, theres many things that just make a lot of sense to me from an atheists point of view. do yall think its hella wrong to be atheist? cuz the way i look at it, most people never had a choice, they believe what they were raised to believe. most were raised to believe in one god. but, what if the idea of religion came as a tactic to control the people long ago. people were so uneducated that a "leader" telling them of a higher being to scare them into his rule would have made alot of sense, i cant get into all of my ideas right now cuz my hands hurt from typing but i'll get back on tomarrow night and drop some of my ideas, its like the whole world just depends on the bible to control their faith. before i turn this post over for discussion let me leave you with this quote:

"The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us...I think an Agnostic would be the more correct description of my state of mind. The whole subject [of God] is beyond the scope of man's intellect."-Charles Darwin

it seems to me that man has attempted to solve the unknown, and while a greater power may exist, the idea of a human solving the mystery of a power great enough to create an entire universe is kind of riduculous in my opinion. i dont mean to attack anyones belief's so plz dont get very defensive, its just my thoughts, i welcome your opinions with an open mind as i know this is a sensitive subject to some, but i do want to hear why some of you think that being an atheist is so horrible. because all of your lives you were taught one thing and it would be an impossible feat to think other wise? brainwashed? maybe??...
 

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well personally i really dont CARE if a person is an atheist/agnostic. you have the "belief of no belief". when i read these posts i see more "religious" people being persecuted,ridiculed and slandered than i do atheist.
I read some of the posts about the name of god, and i gotta say i'm a little suprised in how religious some of the people on this board.
please do not confuse spirituality with religion. dont confuse knowledge that pertains to certain subjects to be religious. so why are you suprised that people ar e"religious"? should everyone conform and be an athist/agnostic like you? isnt this site filled with many people from all over the globe with different back grounds,education levels,economic backgrounds etc etc etc????????
i myself am atheist. i'm not a lil 12 year kid that just listened to his brotha lynch cd and is goin around sayin it.
thats pretty great. i myself am a HERETIC and a FOLLOWER OF THE WAY.
i've given much research and thought into my opinion and i gotta say thats what i came up with.
same here.
do yall think its hella wrong to be atheist?
why should our opinions matter? they should have no bearing on you. if someone did object to it what would be your reaction? personally if you want to worship a cloud of smoke or a cordless telephone thats on you. if you want to believe that nothing is nothing go right ahead.

cuz the way i look at it, most people never had a choice, they believe what they were raised to believe.
people have a choice. however due to laziness they will not STUDY,READ AND RESEARCH for themselves. i dont believe in what i was raised to believe in. i have my own mind im my own thinker.

but, what if the idea of religion came as a tactic to control the people long ago. people were so uneducated
??????? how is it that the people of long ago were so uneducated? the chinese uneducated? the egyptians uneducated? the persions and babylonians uneducated? the mayans uneducated? so the people who built stone henge were uneducated? what about those who built the moai????? can you please give insight on your statement.

who would implement a tactic like that and where would the belief START????? are you saying that a person sat down and said: "im going to make up this being called god. i will tell everyone that god created blah blha blah"?????

1.how does this person know that the people are RECEPTIVE to this type of conditioning?

2.what are the MEANS of conditioning? what types of methods are being used?

"leader" telling them of a higher being to scare them into his rule would have made alot of sense
actually if you STUDIED you will learn that MANY "religions" were started by POOR people or people who had no influence of power.
i'll get back on tomarrow night and drop some of my ideas, its like the whole world just depends on the bible to control their faith.
if the whole world is using the bible to control its faith you would not have HINDUISM,BUDAHISM,ISLAM,JUDAISM,MORMONISM,KRISHNA and the thousands of other religions i can name.

what part of the world is using the bible to control its faith? what happens to a christian in china? or one who is caught in certain parts of africa or the mid east?

AMERICA is not using the bible to control its faith. if so you would not have presidents who are skull&bones and cfr members. you would not have prayer removed from school. abortion would not be practiced.witchcraft and sorcery would not be accepted. homosexuality would not be accepted and RACISM would not be what it is today. they even omit the word "god" in "america america". the MEDIA is not painting a picture of god. they paint a picture of MAMMON,SEX,DRUGS and NO GOD!!!!


now some questions to you.

1.have you ever read a bible from start to finish? if so what is the "concept"? from start to finish what is the main theme?

2.have you ever read and researched ANY "religion" or FAITH"????




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Is it "wrong"?
Id beleive it is.
If your an atheist,whos your higher power and creator?
yourself?your daddy? lol....

Heresy-you asked who would implement a tactic making up their own religon.
And thats easy-everyone of the "thousands" you claim to know of.
Only one FAITH is true at the end.

Heresy asks-how a people could be receptive and at what conditioning.
SIMPLE- people are followers.And by the masses.

If you dont believe in nothing then you evidently put so much
behind your worthless,perishable body that you must trust youll
somehow withstand death.
Or maybe you feel indestuctable and fear nothing evn death.
To those self-rightous fools.
You shold fear the LORD.
Because not only is your time runnin short your souls destuction
is right behind it.

There is hope-God gives us a choice.
Tho Im not close to perfect and fall short of being wise.
I do have faith in the REAL TRUTH.

A s to "ZO'Z" "leader" theory-
Ive basically covered that but I want to comment on
Heresys statement toward it.
Heresy- what the fuck does being poor have to do with "Zo'z"
briefing?
You dont thin poor folks have starters/leaders or followers too?
It might just be me but it seems you question things that need'nt
questioning....Perhaps to make a person "second guess" their
opionion or to make yourself feel smart or maybe you just want to take up space.
Dont get me wrong,I enjoy reading your posts and "suggestions"
and find some of them "interesting".
To most of the few of the "thousands" of religons you mentioned,
most involve worthless self-rightous ways.

And finally- if our world we live in all followed JESUS' WORD-
We would in fact be in heaven.


Love to the FEW...
 

HERESY

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Heresy-you asked who would implement a tactic making up their own religon.And thats easy-everyone of the "thousands" you claim to know of.
Only one FAITH is true at the end.
NO THAT IS NOT THE QUESTION THAT I ASKED. WHATS I ASKED WAS BASED ON THE STATEMENT THAT
but, what if the idea of religion came as a tactic to control the people long ago. people were so uneducated
PLEASE READ THE POSTS BEFORE YOU ATTEMPT TO QUOTE ME. I ASKED WERE WOULD THE BELIEF START. YOUR SUMMERY OF THE QUESTION ISNT EVEN CLOSE. LETS SAY JESUS CHRIST IS THE FOUNDER OF THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION. THE MAN WAS DEAD WHEN "CHRISTINAITY" STARTED IN ANTIOCH. SO HOW WOULD HE USE IT FOR MIND CONTROL?
Heresy asks-how a people could be receptive and at what conditioning.SIMPLE- people are followers.And by the masses.
PLEASE READ BEFORE YOU SAY I SAID SOMETHING. THIS IS WHAT I ASKED:
1.how does this person know that the people are RECEPTIVE to this type of conditioning?
HOW DOES THE PERSON WHO IS USING THE RELIGION AS A "CONTROL MECHANISM" KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE WILL BE RECEPTIVE? THATS BASICALLY WHAT IM ASKING. ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT YOU TYPED.
2.what are the MEANS of conditioning? what types of methods are being used?
WHAT ARE THE MEANS OF CONDITIONING? BOOKS,STORIES? MONEY? REPITITION? PERFORMING MIRACLES? CHARISMA??????? YOUR ANSWER TO THE QUESTION FALLS SHORT. NEXT TIME LET THE PERSON WHO ITS DIRECTED AT ANSWER IT.

Ive basically covered that but I want to comment on
Heresys statement toward it. Heresy- what the fuck does being poor have to do with "Zo'z"
briefing?
HAS A LOT TO DO WITH IT. PLEASE READ THE POSTS BEFORE YOU COMMENT.
You dont thin poor folks have starters/leaders or followers too? It might just be me but it seems you question things that need'nt questioning....Perhaps to make a person "second guess" their opionion or to make yourself feel smart or maybe you just want to take up space. Dont get me wrong,I enjoy reading your posts and "suggestions" and find some of them "interesting". To most of the few ofthe "thousands" of religons you mentioned, most involve worthless self-rightous ways.
THE REASON WHY I MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT "POOR" PEOPLE IS BECAUSE ZO MADE THE STATEMENT THAT:
people were so uneducated that a "leader" telling them of a higher being to scare them into his rule would have made alot of sense,
1.WHEN YOU LOOK AT HISTORY AND SOCIETY WHO WERE THE "UNEDUCATED"?????? DID THEY HAVE MONEY??????? IN MANY CULTURES,CIVILIZATIONS AND COUNTRIES BOOKS,WRITING UTINSELS,EDUCATION ETC ETC ETC WERE ****RESERVED**** FOR PEOPLE WITH $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!! IT WAS A "PRIVELAGE" TO LEARN.



PLEASE READ BEFORE YOU MAKE AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK INTELLIGENT.

1.I QUESTION WHATEVER I WANT.

2.IF A PERSON DOESNT SECOND GUESS AND ASK QUESTIONS THEY ARE BLIND.WHEN A PERSON COMES TO AN ASSESSMENT ABOUT A CERTIAN ISSUE ****BEFORE**** THEY HAVE READ/RESEARCHED IT. THAT SHOWS THAT THEY LACK UNDERSTANDING,LOGIC AND COMMON SENSE.

3.I DONT NEED TO POST ON A BBS TO MAKE MYSELF "FEEL" SMART. I HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO WITH MY TIME. LIKE MIX SONGS AND SEND MIDI MESSAGES.

4.I HAVE NO REASON TO SIT AND "TAKE" UP SPACE. TYPING JUST TO BE TYPING IS OF NO VALUE TO ME. HOWEVER READING AND RESPONDING TO LUNACY FILLED POSTS (YOURS FOR EXAMPLE) REMINDS ME OF SOMETHING........REMINDS ME MORE AND MORE OF HOW PEOPLE CAN "SEE" AND DONT "SEE".


NEXT TIME YOU SAY THAT I "SAID" OR "ASKED" SOMETHING QUOTE ME. THIS IS A FEATURE THAT THE WEBMASTERS HAVE PROVIDED FOR YOUR CONVIENCE. WHEN YOU USE IT YOU WONT MAKE YOURSELF LOOK LIKE A BLATENT IDIOT (LIKE YOU DO NOW).


HAVE A BLESSED DAY.




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May 14, 2002
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heresy

Ima high as hell so Ima cut it short.
You honestly might think Im a "blatant idiot" but man,I have to tell you- I dont agree w/ you at all....
Im AbZEnTmInDeaD,i KNOW,but what you said-you just said.....
Maybe Im retarted(I prolly am).
But all this "jiberish" dont mean a dime.
I was just trin to let you know.
And I was quoting you....("intellectually"I know what you said).
Ah Heresy man,I like your comments for entertainment and to check up on shit I might of missed,but in KC we call your kind "SCary".
no matter what you say HEreSy- I know what happens.........
act smart and Ill listen........................................


Dmann from the south KC lettin all yall muthafuckas know...

Love to the FEW...
 
May 13, 2002
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ZoSicc,

Yo, I feel most of what you wrote. I too am an Atheist. You must understand that only about 14% of Americans are Atheist, so yes, we will get treated unfairly from time to time.

In my eyes, there is a big difference between Atheists and Agnostics. If you are uncertain about where you stand, it truley doesnt matter unless you are unhappy. If you are constantly asking yourself questions,(like I was a few years ago), I suggest you read a book or two. Here are a few from my list: "Atheism: The case against God", by George H. Smith. "Why Atheism", by G. H. Smith. "The blind watchmaker", -Richard Dawkins. Selfish Gene, -R.D. "The cruelest Joke of all", -Mac King. All of those books have game me a better understanding of life and even better, how to live life.

Phara-C,

Please, dont reply any more. Even though I have had my differences in the past with this person I will admint HERESY has shown us clearly you do not know what your talking about.

Ima high as hell
and
Maybe Im retarted
sums it up for us.
Do us a favor and dont speak on this until you educate yourself.


Only one FAITH is true at the end.
AFter reading this statement I can only ask myslef, Since you are so obviously dumb, or in your words, "retarted," what makes you so smart that you can filter out all of the wrong religions and find the one faith that is true?
...Fuck Peace, Im out.-Ric
 
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Im sure hERESY feels the same way you do.
He straight dogged me!
Be my pleasure if yall want to listen to that "act smart"
shit and take it in.

Who needs NONSENSE books to be smart?
I could find more Wisdom under my nutsack.

hERESY, its just what I said,like I said it.
Ill please you all and stop repling,Im apparently too dumb for the
smarts of you all(yes,quote that in you replies).

Love to the FEW...
 

HERESY

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^^^^^ you sound like a COWARD. scared to say what you want. letting people run you off.

listen man how i feel is how i feel and how i feel shouldnt matter to YOU. you are your own individuala nd the world does NOT spin around :H:.

YOU DOGGED YOURSELF WHEN YOU MADE THE POST DIRECTED AT me and asked me questions trying to put me on the spot.

IN MY OPINION YOU SHOULD NOT BELITTLE YOURSELF AND HOLD YOURSELF IN SUCH LOW REGARD. SPEAK YOUR MIND MAN. DONT LET ANYONE RUN YOU AWAY.


:H:

PS PUT THAT IN YOUR QUOTE ALSO.
 
May 5, 2002
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lol best quote I've heard on this subject matter that made me laugh my ass off cuz its true was said by a Submariner from WW2 he said, ' take any athiest and put him in a submarine while it is being depth charged and you will see them start praying to God ' lol i think that is so mutha fuckin real...
 
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I have not researched the shit much but i find the idea of a god rediculous and uncomprehendable by any man at any time. if there is a god who is to say what this so called god "wants" us to do

i just bought that book Atheism the case against god
thanks for posting up those books 20six
i cant put the book down just got the shit about 30 hours ago im on page 88
this book is making me understand atheism a lot better also most peoples concept of atheism is totally obsurd
like i said i have not researched this shit much so dont start talking shit this is just my own opinion
this is an interesting post