As if the girl hadn't gone through enough, then they killed her child.

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DubbC415 said:
^^exactly, and how will that baby coming from a 11 year old who might die be raised well? whos going to raise it, care for it, and hope he/she does well?
So your reasoning here is that since it is doubtful that the child will be raised properly, therefore we should kill it. Why is this the reasonable solution?


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my opinion is that crime would be reduced, especially in lower-income homes, if the break-up of the family is reduced. provide a better home, with a good family, and less crime will happen. at least, these crime-stricken communities will more productive, positive, and be a better place to raise children. but, many babies are born that do not have a strong family household to raise them. no father, no mother, (not to say that single-family homes arent good homes), but something may be missing from the family that can affect the raising of a child. if abortion were to be fully legal, then the chances of a disfunctional child might be more slim. its just another possiblity for people who made mistakes, or something happened that they couldnt control to be able to make the right decision.

all i know is, how is having the baby EVERYTIME the right decision?
You are ignoring the core issue. How is getting pregnant EVERYTIME when it is unwanted the right decision? Granted that this particular case is rape, but as I said in a previous post, if the unwanted births were all results of rape, there wouldn't be an issue. The number of unwanted births would decrease significantly, and we could create special programs to help such children and their mothers.
 
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DubbC415 said:
"speculating" is part of the process of taking in and using real events and occurences into making a decision. but in comes the "moral" topic of discussion, the real matter at hand, killing. and people against abortion always make it about that, and people buy into it, and argue about that. the argument is about abortion. if we were moral about killing, then maybe we wouldnt drive drunk, we wouldnt do drugs, we wouldnt already fuck with our lives on a daily basis, providing an influence in our death. thats on one level though, i know that thats our own decisions, and not an unborn child's to do drugs. however, on another point of "killing", maybe we wouldnt kill other people and try to justify it, (i.e. the death penalty, killing civilians in other countries, etc.)


if justification of killing is the problem, then we as americans have no problem justifying it in othe cases.
Why is speculating to condone killing a child in the womb more acceptable than speculating to condone killing a child outside of the womb? We could speculate right now that children born in ghettos are not likely of being positive contributors to society, therefore we should kill them now. Is this okay for you? We'll even use real events and occurrences to form this conclusion.

In regard to our killing in other capacities, what you are basically saying is that since we kill by drunk driving or drugs (or in any other capacity), therefore it should be fine to kill babies in the womb. It should be obvious why this simply bad reasoning.
 
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^LET'S KILL YOU THEN CAUSE YOU SHOULD OF BEEN ABORTED. HOW THAT SOUND?
ok, whatever cuzzin. It was a serious question though. Why would it be better to lead a horrible, fucked up life than to just not even have to go through it at all?
 
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^what change do I want to make? You believe what you believe for a reason, right? I was simply asking for your reasoning. I didnt say you were wrong. no need to get defensive.
 
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XxtraMannish said:
^what change do I want to make? You believe what you believe for a reason, right? I was simply asking for your reasoning. I didnt say you were wrong. no need to get defensive.
The reasoning is there. They are living, that is the status quo. They should continue to live, there is no questioning "why?" Why should we allow you to continue living? Why should we allow anyone to continue living? Your answer lies therein. If in any circumstance you are pro-abortion, that means that you want to change the status quo. You have made it clear that you do approve of abortion, so on that basis I said you want to make a change. I am not getting defensive, I am simply responding to your question with the observation that your question presumes that I am required to answer it in order to justify my conclusions.
 
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^ok, so we should never kill any living thing right? stop eating meat and vegetables, stop using soap, it kills germs, stop wearing clothing made from cotton, its a living plant.
 
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XxtraMannish said:
^ok, so we should never kill any living thing right? stop eating meat and vegetables, stop using soap, it kills germs, stop wearing clothing made from cotton, its a living plant.
The observation is that some living entities must be killed in the process of living. Right you are. But what you are proposing is called the "black or white" fallacy. This goes to say, because it is unavoidable that some killing must be done, therefore we can justify killing with gay abandon.
 
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THE TOPIC OF ABORTION SHOULD BE KEPT IN HOUSE BY THOSE WHO ARE AFFECTED BY IT....ANYONE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE SITUATION SHOULD REALLY JUST MIND THEIR FUCKIN BUSINESS....
Everyone ignored a simple and thoughtful post.

The shit's legal last time I checked, save your morals and judgements for an argument that might actually get you somewhere.
 
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YEAH, AND LET ME PULL OUT MY 9 AND MY UNCLES 12 GAUGE, AND BLAST A PERSON WHO I THINK MIGHT BE A MENACE TO SOCIETY, SOUNDS GOOD TO ME, THE MORE I KILL WHO I THINK WON'T SUCCEED, THE LESS TROUBLE THERE WILL BE IN THE WORLD *SARCASM*
 
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Everyone ignored a simple and thoughtful post.

The shit's legal last time I checked, save your morals and judgements for an argument that might actually get you somewhere.
We may not be able to change the law, but we can educate people on the facts. In that way, we are getting somewhere. Also, the topic of abortion should be discussed and considered by everyone, regardless if it directly affects them or not.
 
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Who do you think you're educating here and in what way? Please answer.


People have been discussing this for years. There is no new info, and nothing has changed. What do you feel there is to gain from an internet discussion on a topic where no one is going to budge?
 
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enserio said:
Who do you think you're educating here and in what way? Please answer.


People have been discussing this for years. There is no new info, and nothing has changed. What do you feel there is to gain from an internet discussion on a topic where no one is going to budge?
Who am I educating? Anyone with the brain to understand.

In what way am I educating? By pointing out that there is no excuse to justify killing in this case. Certainly everyone has the right to defend themselves, but you wouldn't throw your child in front of oncoming traffic to save yourself. On the contrary, you'd probably be more likely to jump in front of oncoming traffic to save your child. Similarly, there are some cases where the child in the womb may threaten the well-being of the mother, but there is no legitimate difference between inside or outside the womb. In both cases, there is a human life involved. If you would sacrifice your own life to save your child outside the womb, why wouldn't you do it when the child is inside the womb? So there is an inconsistency here because knowledge is lacking. People simply form stronger bodily attachments and that is why the child in the womb isn't considered as important. But killing inside the womb is no different than killing outside the womb. So in the same line of logic why don't we justify killing birthed children?

So what people have been doing now is that they rubber-stamp "viable" at some point in fetal development. With this concoction people can rationalize abortion by claiming that it is not yet a human life. Just see the rascal tactics! Hitler would similarly consider Jews to not be human lives and therefore justify killing them as well. So there is no difference in analogy.

There are no legit arguments supporting abortion. I have not seen a single one. All I have seen is people debating from a legal standpoint. Just because some people decide that the fetus isn't viable until a certain point does not mean that this is actually true. Nor can they cannot show this scientifically.
 
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Inside and outside, there is no legitimate difference pertaining to how we should treat the human life.

Otherwise, there is also a difference inside and outside a cardboard box. So maybe we can rationalize killing babies inside cardboard boxes.