I do look from Both Persepectives. But I understand that she was raped, but that is no reason to kill the baby inside of her, some girls even have kids at the age of 12, there was a case like that in Stockton. But Like I said no one deserves to die, unless they take a life. But how would you know, what her mental state will be after the abortion, it could be worse then it already is. But I see where you're coming from bro.
As if the girl hadn't gone through enough, then they killed her child.
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so, basically, we should not have abortions so people can enjoy life. well, ok, so i guess everyone should just be born, because they dont in any way affect other people's lives. Why should everyone that can be born be born? what purpose does that serve society? such issues dont just have to do with "morals".
same can be said for ur argument, and to think about abortions this way is not only more logical and sensical, but pertinent. its important, it IS an issue that happens, and it TOTALLY has to do with why there should or shouldnt be abortions. religion is not the basis and should not be nearly as much of a basis for the reason we do things in this country. simple logic, such as the necessity of abortion is much more real and important than always explaining abortion to be a moral issue. most of the time, its an argument for pseudo-intellectuals and fundamenalists to argue about, when in real life, we still try to figure out why crime continues to happen.
But how could you not make arguements, without using morals. I do see my self as a Fundementalists, and I won't deny it, I have been called that in the past. But aside from morals, what else can you use to Justify not having, or having an Abortion. If you abort a baby because the Mother might die, aren't your using morals, because you rather let what you know is certain to live, then what is not?
morals are fine, everything we argue about is based on our morals. but what im saying is that there are certain issues, i.e. abortion, that are much larger than the moral issue itself. the answer to the problem has very little to do with morals, if we, as a society, really want there to be an effect. for us to argue about the morality of it is just not realistic or important, since "morality" really doesn't have that much to do with the decisions our country makes. as if these conservative tv pundits who repeatedly shove their "morals" down ur throat REALLY are moral people.
anyway. whats to say the baby will live? and even if it does, whats to say it'll be an innocent person, or be a contribution to society? why does an unborn child have more say then the people who are going to allow it to live?
anyway. whats to say the baby will live? and even if it does, whats to say it'll be an innocent person, or be a contribution to society? why does an unborn child have more say then the people who are going to allow it to live?
"morality" really doesn't have that much to do with the decisions our country makes
That's why I say fuck Politics, but then again I know you can't answer a question with a question, but what makes you think you decide if you have more say then a baby who might have a future, and just because he can't talk doesn't mean he has a say. If you look into the eyes of your baby soon, would you ever think to yourself, will he be a richman or a successful man in life, or will I allow him to stray away from me. It's upto the Parent, cause a baby is only as good as it is raised.
That's why I say fuck Politics, but then again I know you can't answer a question with a question, but what makes you think you decide if you have more say then a baby who might have a future, and just because he can't talk doesn't mean he has a say. If you look into the eyes of your baby soon, would you ever think to yourself, will he be a richman or a successful man in life, or will I allow him to stray away from me. It's upto the Parent, cause a baby is only as good as it is raised.
^^exactly, and how will that baby coming from a 11 year old who might die be raised well? whos going to raise it, care for it, and hope he/she does well?
my opinion is that crime would be reduced, especially in lower-income homes, if the break-up of the family is reduced. provide a better home, with a good family, and less crime will happen. at least, these crime-stricken communities will more productive, positive, and be a better place to raise children. but, many babies are born that do not have a strong family household to raise them. no father, no mother, (not to say that single-family homes arent good homes), but something may be missing from the family that can affect the raising of a child. if abortion were to be fully legal, then the chances of a disfunctional child might be more slim. its just another possiblity for people who made mistakes, or something happened that they couldnt control to be able to make the right decision.
all i know is, how is having the baby EVERYTIME the right decision?
my opinion is that crime would be reduced, especially in lower-income homes, if the break-up of the family is reduced. provide a better home, with a good family, and less crime will happen. at least, these crime-stricken communities will more productive, positive, and be a better place to raise children. but, many babies are born that do not have a strong family household to raise them. no father, no mother, (not to say that single-family homes arent good homes), but something may be missing from the family that can affect the raising of a child. if abortion were to be fully legal, then the chances of a disfunctional child might be more slim. its just another possiblity for people who made mistakes, or something happened that they couldnt control to be able to make the right decision.
all i know is, how is having the baby EVERYTIME the right decision?
and yet again who is to blame for these families that Struggle the Government! We all can Agree to that, yet again, don't use what bad the Government is doing to the people to determine the outcome of what a baby may become. Your last statement is like saying, Why do I deserve another chance when I've done so much Wrong in my life, if you were incarcerated, and believed you could do something out of your life, but then no one is willing to give you that chance, how would you feel? Obviously a baby can't feel those feelings, because Abortion will never give the baby that chance.
Yes. Everyone that is conceived should be given the chance to take birth. What is your concern here with society? Is it overpopulation, perhaps? If so, then the real solution is to stop getting pregnant. I guarantee you that if the only unwanted pregnancies were the results of rape, overpopulation would not be a problem.
It is not our job to speculate or take matters into our own hands. If the baby dies due to complications, so be it. Ultimately, nature will make such decisions. This in no way justifies our killing. Otherwise, I can justify killing anyone on the basis that they are going to die anyway. Maybe the baby will make a contribution to society, maybe not. If you're concerned about it, do something to help educate our children. Killing them is never the answer.
You write: "why does an unborn child have more say then the people who are going to allow it to live?"
Might isn't right. Just because we can not allow the child to live doesn't mean that we would be right in choosing to do so.
You write: "why does an unborn child have more say then the people who are going to allow it to live?"
Might isn't right. Just because we can not allow the child to live doesn't mean that we would be right in choosing to do so.
but humans arent perfect, and accidents happen. in this society, its obviously very common for people to want others to live with a mistake they made. that they have to live with something for the rest of their lives because of a single decision. that can work in crime, but having sex and getting pregnant is not a crime, nor is it deemed punishable by restricting abortions. contrary to popular belief, abortions are not just for sex addicts who want to be able to have sex all the time and just fuck up. people dont want to have abortions, but instead use it as another solution to a problem.
would i rather have someone have to live with a mistake? a child that they dont want or have to care for? no.
i'd rather have that person have to live with the fact they had an abortion, which will bear the same sort of weight upon them.
would i rather have someone have to live with a mistake? a child that they dont want or have to care for? no.
i'd rather have that person have to live with the fact they had an abortion, which will bear the same sort of weight upon them.
"speculating" is part of the process of taking in and using real events and occurences into making a decision. but in comes the "moral" topic of discussion, the real matter at hand, killing. and people against abortion always make it about that, and people buy into it, and argue about that. the argument is about abortion. if we were moral about killing, then maybe we wouldnt drive drunk, we wouldnt do drugs, we wouldnt already fuck with our lives on a daily basis, providing an influence in our death. thats on one level though, i know that thats our own decisions, and not an unborn child's to do drugs. however, on another point of "killing", maybe we wouldnt kill other people and try to justify it, (i.e. the death penalty, killing civilians in other countries, etc.)
if justification of killing is the problem, then we as americans have no problem justifying it in othe cases.
if justification of killing is the problem, then we as americans have no problem justifying it in othe cases.