Are Whites responsible for slave mentality and inter-race racism ?
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My bad, I wasn't trying to make it seem like "getting schooled" was a bad thing. It just seems as if you're simplifying things too much, and not looking behind the curtain.. I'll be the first to admit to you that my ancestors did not die in vain and there's been progress, but if you realize it or not there's been an effort to implement a different type of slavery, not to mention the legacy of slavery. "White people" as a unit or group are not responsible physically for the lop sided situations in America, and actually some black people need to accept certain aspects of responsibility. But you must remember that if you're white, you were most likely born with the table already set for you, with a full plate, drinks, and desert. You have to truly understand the slave mentality, you can't kidnap a distant people, strip them of all collective knowledge and unity, erase their culture, deprive them of independence for 300-400 years and just let them go and tell them to get a life. Where's the infrastructure, the community organization, the culture, the economic strategy and leadership, the social/moral values and political ideals, left back in Africa? Well they fucked the native African mentality off too. You're aware that after the abolition of slavery there were many slaves who begged to stay because being a slave was all they knew. Do you really believe that this inferiority complex mentality has died out that quick? How long do you feel it takes to get over 400+ years of direct and blatant oppression? 10 years? 20? 50? 400? This is like starting from scratch in a very real way, like Adam and Eve just being released from Eden and expected to build some great society in so many years, shouldn't it take time and don't we face road blocks everyday with racial profiling, 3 strikes laws, drugs and guns being pushed in our face, negative stereotypical images on T.V, lack of history and knowledge of self, systematic and unconscious racism anyways? As much shit as people talk about blacks they obviously hold us in high regard because they truly feel that we should be able to regroup as a collective that quickly, while at the same time accepting all of the blame for our own follies. People want us to believe that it's generally our fault and that our ranking in America is solely due to our collective incompetence and inherent lack of civilization. Please excuse me if I have enough knowledge of self not to believe that crap, there's not some invisible wall holding black people back, and it isn't solely blacks who hold each other back, not even mostly. It's a legacy of tragedy and a story of victimization whether people want to believe it or not.
I Feel You, And Every Point You Made Is Valid. But You Fail To See That Racial Profiling And Victimization Happens To Nearly Every Race (Even Whites)
I Know Cuz Ive Posted Many Stories About My Fam Being Singled Out In Our OWN COUNTRY And Place Of Birth. Im Not Saying Everything Is Black Ppls Fault, But Im Not Gonna Point The Finger At One Group And Place Blame, But Thats For Any Race.
I Feel The Same Way About Assyrians In My Own Community, Using America As A Piggy Back To Fight A Political War In Iraq. They Never Made Any Noise Til Bush Invaded That Country And Now Suddenly They Wanna Be Part Of A Political Party And Ride A Boat To Happiness And Peace. Its Bullshit And I Dont Wanna Go Down In History As A Bunch Of Users That Couldnt Muster The Balls To Get It Back Themselves, Id Rather Be Considered A Lost Culture Bound To Wander The Earth Til Its Untimely End Bro
No Bullshit If You Can Imagine What Im Sayin As A Picture It Would All Make Sense. Its Not All Assyrians That Are At Fault, Its The Select Few That Stick Out Like A Sore Thumb And Wanna Let Us Guide Ourselves Down The Wrong Path. We Have Had A Fucked Up History Aswell, You Can Google The Shit And Read up About It. Im Not Sayin Its All Black Ppl That Are Letting Themselves Get Into A Problem All On Their Own, Its The Ones That Toot The Horn And Rally The Troops, Then Sit Back And Blame All White People For Their Own Misfortunes In Modern Times.
Maybe Im Completely Wrong, But I Truely Think That Its Gonna Take Alot, Including Tryna Leave History Behind And Write A New Chapter For Your Own People, For Any Race Aswell Not Juss Blacks
I Know Cuz Ive Posted Many Stories About My Fam Being Singled Out In Our OWN COUNTRY And Place Of Birth. Im Not Saying Everything Is Black Ppls Fault, But Im Not Gonna Point The Finger At One Group And Place Blame, But Thats For Any Race.
I Feel The Same Way About Assyrians In My Own Community, Using America As A Piggy Back To Fight A Political War In Iraq. They Never Made Any Noise Til Bush Invaded That Country And Now Suddenly They Wanna Be Part Of A Political Party And Ride A Boat To Happiness And Peace. Its Bullshit And I Dont Wanna Go Down In History As A Bunch Of Users That Couldnt Muster The Balls To Get It Back Themselves, Id Rather Be Considered A Lost Culture Bound To Wander The Earth Til Its Untimely End Bro
No Bullshit If You Can Imagine What Im Sayin As A Picture It Would All Make Sense. Its Not All Assyrians That Are At Fault, Its The Select Few That Stick Out Like A Sore Thumb And Wanna Let Us Guide Ourselves Down The Wrong Path. We Have Had A Fucked Up History Aswell, You Can Google The Shit And Read up About It. Im Not Sayin Its All Black Ppl That Are Letting Themselves Get Into A Problem All On Their Own, Its The Ones That Toot The Horn And Rally The Troops, Then Sit Back And Blame All White People For Their Own Misfortunes In Modern Times.
Maybe Im Completely Wrong, But I Truely Think That Its Gonna Take Alot, Including Tryna Leave History Behind And Write A New Chapter For Your Own People, For Any Race Aswell Not Juss Blacks
Oh so you're Assyrian? I think it's a given that every minority here will in some way be discriminated against seeing as how that isn't the group who's in power. I see what you mean and can understand the plight of all other minorities in comparison and in contrast to the African American plight, but to what extent is another question. Did you read the 'Willie Lynch' essay that I posted on the front page? Assyrians and others are planted with the very basic seeds that help them overcome discrimination, which is history and a knowledge of self. I've never met too many Middle Easterners and Asians who have a 'true' slave mentality and lack of history. Assyria was one of the most powerful empires in the ancient world who conquered Egypt more than once and revolutionized writing and agriculture. All blacks have is well, Willie Lynch. There's a modern day civil rights movement even today in concern to academia, because blacks can't even identify with great African nations like Egypt, Askum, and Nubia with out permission or exhaustive debate. Look up "Afrocentricity" and you'll see what I mean. Racism poors over generations, and even when the feelings are gone, some of the mechanisms exist that stagnate progress. For instance, "The Savage Negro Myth".. The anthropological term "Negroid" for example was literally used to describe and limit accomplishments of African people by means of outdated cranial/facial measurements, claiming that the 'true' Negro is only allowed to posses broad archaic features like prognathism and dolichocephalic skulls, even when the human variation has its longest history in Africa (modern man adapted in various African micro-climates for 90,000 years before he even left) and almost all phenotypes found outside of Africa are also indigenous there. By this method literally 75% of Africa would be categorized under "Caucasoid" since arbitrary racial definitions sought to expand the presence of the "indigenous Caucasoid" over 3 continents and limit the presence of the 'true' black to but a few tribes in West and Central Africa. This type of view has been all but abandoned in Anthropology yet it still persists in books and the class rooms across the country, stripping the African people of their collective history and consciousness. That's one example, just know that there's a lot of sneaky shit happening behind closed doors and it's deeper than practical freedom and constitutional rights. Never to down play anyone else's struggle, I just don't see it as the same given what I know about the history of this country. The only reason a lot of people don't see it is because they aren't concerned with black history but anyone who looked into it hard enough can easily see the bullshit being projected upon us.
I would differ with you on this point. In my personal experience those with the greatest knowledge of their own (history/culture/family/ancestry) tend to be politicos, broke college students, and hippie revolutionists who have great notions and ideas of the way society needs to change and a serious inability to find more than menial work and meet their own responsibilities.
In the example of White America, for example, there lasts today very little notion among white people that Whites are part of a grander legacy, history, or anything of the sort. In fact the people who wish to reclaim "white culture" and "white history" tend to be racists and illiterate hicks.
I've seen Black people sink their own ships in professional life because of 1. The desire to "keep it black" in personal and professional dealings
2. Attempting to use their racial status as a weapon, bargaining chip, or some other leverage
3. An unwillingness to associate or deal genuinely with white people or in some instances anyone who isn't black.
I've had to fire people like this more than once. And best believe we expected and often had EEO issues, calls from the Labor board, lawsuits, HR complaints, etc.
White people have "unracialized" in a sense in order to make money and succeed in society. The notion among Black folks that "to keep it Black" means to challenge, change, or not deal with the system be it society, your employer, whoever is self-defeating.
In order to succeed in America Black people must stop viewing every single issue through the prism of race and attempting to seperate themselves from society at large.
This is the main reason animosity, mistrust, and fear, exist among white people against Black people. It doesnt exist in white people against other minorities the way it does for Black people. There is always the threat of the race card, and white people more often than not are nervous
and scared in dealings with Black people because of it. This fear translates into any host of negative emotions.
And what you are saying, that to succeed, in essence, Black people must become "self-aware", is self-defeating. The awareness of self that Black people have and often do use or focus on continues to drive a wedge between Blacks and society as a whole.
In the example of White America, for example, there lasts today very little notion among white people that Whites are part of a grander legacy, history, or anything of the sort. In fact the people who wish to reclaim "white culture" and "white history" tend to be racists and illiterate hicks.
I've seen Black people sink their own ships in professional life because of 1. The desire to "keep it black" in personal and professional dealings
2. Attempting to use their racial status as a weapon, bargaining chip, or some other leverage
3. An unwillingness to associate or deal genuinely with white people or in some instances anyone who isn't black.
I've had to fire people like this more than once. And best believe we expected and often had EEO issues, calls from the Labor board, lawsuits, HR complaints, etc.
White people have "unracialized" in a sense in order to make money and succeed in society. The notion among Black folks that "to keep it Black" means to challenge, change, or not deal with the system be it society, your employer, whoever is self-defeating.
In order to succeed in America Black people must stop viewing every single issue through the prism of race and attempting to seperate themselves from society at large.
This is the main reason animosity, mistrust, and fear, exist among white people against Black people. It doesnt exist in white people against other minorities the way it does for Black people. There is always the threat of the race card, and white people more often than not are nervous
and scared in dealings with Black people because of it. This fear translates into any host of negative emotions.
And what you are saying, that to succeed, in essence, Black people must become "self-aware", is self-defeating. The awareness of self that Black people have and often do use or focus on continues to drive a wedge between Blacks and society as a whole.
^^^Thanx For Makin My Point Beavis Lol
Naw Im Juss Fucking With You, But You Basically Said What I Been Tryna To Put Into Words But Lack Of Certain Education Factors Hindered Me
But I Beileve What You Said Stands For Any Minority, Not Juss Blacks, Maybe They Differ Slighty But Still Have The Same Base Foundation
Naw Im Juss Fucking With You, But You Basically Said What I Been Tryna To Put Into Words But Lack Of Certain Education Factors Hindered Me
But I Beileve What You Said Stands For Any Minority, Not Juss Blacks, Maybe They Differ Slighty But Still Have The Same Base Foundation
Which is the point, the awareness of self in the black community is usually synonymous with the negative aspects of human relations. This is exactly why it drives a wedge between most blacks and societies' hierarchies. A lot of these so-called revolutionists are indeed simply crack pots who like to read, but this is only because they're directing their energy in the wrong way. I'm not sure how most of white America feels about their history and if they themselves glorify it at the expense of other cultures, but I do know that in regards to what's being taught on up from grade school to the U.C., there's no real justification for an overall inferiority complex among the Anglo-American community, and maybe the laid back attitude comes from the fact that most whites just take their position in society and history for granted, and can put energy into other things, like economic infrastructure, community organization, and other aspects of education.
without whites there would be no slave mentality, but the slave mentality is brought on more from other blacks, the crabs in the barrel pulling each other back down thing thats going on. whites aren't responsible for inter-race racism, it is simply races doing to do what the whites do. white people aren't responsible for blacks not liking asians or latinos not liking blacks or asians not liking latinos, thats their own fault.
I agree with you, this is the zone I'm in. But I don't know if I agree with the part about some Latinos and Asians not liking blacks as being their own 'fault' per se. Native American culture as I know it had no such beliefs in concern to racial hierarchy, that was introduced by European ideologies. Asian society may be a bit different but they're definitely influenced by these same ideologies also, as are of course African Americans and some white folx.
Instead Of Talkin Out The Side Of Your Neck, Maybe You Should Present Us With This Wonderful Knowledge You Have And Neglect To Share
Oh And By The Way, Do You Still Live By Hammurabis Code? How Many Slaves Do You Own? And What Slavery Are You Speaking On? The One In 3rd World Countries That Havent Really Organized A Stable Government Perhaps?
Put Heresy's Balls Back In Your Mouth And Stop Talkin Shit
Oh And By The Way, Do You Still Live By Hammurabis Code? How Many Slaves Do You Own? And What Slavery Are You Speaking On? The One In 3rd World Countries That Havent Really Organized A Stable Government Perhaps?
Put Heresy's Balls Back In Your Mouth And Stop Talkin Shit
Who does slavery effect besides blacks and when has the art of slavery seen such travesty as the recent culmination of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade? Relatively speaking..
The Code of Hammurabi? Okaaay, anyways, I don't see how that statement reflects a slave mentality on his part, the kid is obviously a rebel. You should speak for yourself.
There were no slaves in Egypt, get your facts straight first of all, there were prisoners of War. And no, slaves didn't build the pyramids, they were buried with in a few miles of Giza, this courtesy would not have been reserved for slaves. Mesopotamia never in no way practiced human degradation based on any racial hierarchy and The Code of Hammurabi, which is a set of laws, has nothing to do with slavery either.
You're the joke, you don't even stop to think before you type. Race is definitely a social concept but the struggle is a social one, not a scientific one weird dude. Slavery is alive and well, which is the point of the thread, and what's ironic is how you totally missed that so in essence you're bitching about nothing. Also, humans have been taking advantage of each other for a while but one question, how many of your ancestors were slaves during the duration of time in this enclosed society called America, and how does it effect the collective consciousness of 'your people'?
The Code of Hammurabi? Okaaay, anyways, I don't see how that statement reflects a slave mentality on his part, the kid is obviously a rebel. You should speak for yourself.
There were no slaves in Egypt, get your facts straight first of all, there were prisoners of War. And no, slaves didn't build the pyramids, they were buried with in a few miles of Giza, this courtesy would not have been reserved for slaves. Mesopotamia never in no way practiced human degradation based on any racial hierarchy and The Code of Hammurabi, which is a set of laws, has nothing to do with slavery either.
You're the joke, you don't even stop to think before you type. Race is definitely a social concept but the struggle is a social one, not a scientific one weird dude. Slavery is alive and well, which is the point of the thread, and what's ironic is how you totally missed that so in essence you're bitching about nothing. Also, humans have been taking advantage of each other for a while but one question, how many of your ancestors were slaves during the duration of time in this enclosed society called America, and how does it effect the collective consciousness of 'your people'?
well I was thinking slave mentality as it relates to americans. to me, slave mentality doesn't mean running out to go pick cotton before massa cracks the whip on you, its more the thinking of not being equal to another man because of prior enslavement, to think that there are only certain paths available to one because of race, I didn't really take into account any other country whatsoever because that has nothing to do with me and (I thought) nothing to do with the question. I fail to see what the code hammurabi has to do with this, or how responding to a question asking whether or not whites were responsible for something and not taking other races into account. my fault for thinking that the thread starter was black and asking a question including whites, next time I'll try to stop reading between the lines 
