A. afarensis Child Skeleton Found In Ethiopia

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'Lucy's baby' found in Ethiopia

The 3.3-million-year-old fossilised remains of a human-like child have been unearthed in Ethiopia's Dikika region.
The female Australopithecus afarensis bones are from the same species as an adult skeleton found in 1974 which was nicknamed "Lucy".

Scientists are thrilled with the find, reported in the journal Nature.

They believe the near-complete remains offer a remarkable opportunity to study growth and development in an important extinct human ancestor.

Juvenile Australopithecus afarensis remains are vanishingly rare.

The skeleton was first identified in 2000, locked inside a block of sandstone. It has taken five years of painstaking work to free the bones.

"The Dikika fossil is now revealing many secrets about Australopithecus afarensis and other early hominins, because the fossil evidence was not there," said dig leader Zeresenay Alemseged, of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany.

Delicate bones

The find consists of the whole skull, the entire torso and important parts of the upper and lower limbs. CT scans reveal unerupted teeth still in the jaw, a detail that makes scientists think the individual may have been about three years old when she died.


This puts afarensis in a special position to play a pivotal role in the story of what we are and where we come from
Zeresenay Alemseged, Max Planck Institute

Remarkably, some quite delicate bones not normally preserved in the fossilisation process are also present, such as the hyoid, or tongue, bone. The hyoid bone reflects how the voice box is built and perhaps what sounds a species can produce.
Judging by how well it was preserved, the skeleton may have come from a body that was quickly buried by sediment in a flood, the researchers said.

"In my opinion, afarensis is a very good transitional species for what was before four million years ago and what came after three million years," Dr Alemseged told BBC science correspondent Pallab Ghosh.

"[The species had] a mixture of ape-like and human-like features. This puts afarensis in a special position to play a pivotal role in the story of what we are and where we come from."

Climbing ability

This early ancestor possessed primitive teeth and a small brain but it stood upright and walked on two feet.

There is considerable argument about whether the Dikika girl could also climb trees like an ape.


This climbing ability would require anatomical equipment like long arms, and the "Lucy" species had arms that dangled down to just above the knees. It also had gorilla-like shoulder blades which suggest it could have been skilled at swinging through trees.
But the question is whether such features indicate climbing ability or are just "evolutionary baggage".

The Dikika girl had an estimated brain size of 330 cubic centimetres when she died, which is not very different from that of a similarly aged chimpanzee. However, when compared to the adult afarensis values, it forms 63 - 88% of the adult brain size.

This is lower than that of an adult chimp, where by the age of three, over 90% of the brain is formed. This relatively slow brain growth in the Dikika girl appears to be slightly closer to that of humans.

Slow, gradual development in an extended childhood is regarded as a very human trait - probably to enable our higher functions to develop.

Professor Fred Spoor of University College London said the find would give scientists a "detailed insight into how our distant relatives grew up and behaved... at a time of human evolution when they looked a good deal more like bipedal chimpanzees than like us."

Dr Jonathan Wynn of the University of St Andrews, UK, and colleagues at the University of South Florida dated the sediments surrounding the remains and came up with an age of 3.3 million years.

The "Lucy" skeleton, discovered in Hadar, Ethiopia, in 1974 belongs to the same species as the Dikika girl. For more than 20 years it was the oldest human ancestor known to science.


Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/science/nature/5363328.stm

Published: 2006/09/20 17:05:09 GMT

© BBC MMVI
 
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We didn't evolve FROM monkeys per se, but we both evolved from the same ancient species and simply took different evolutionary paths.

Stockton, do you believe that we DIDN'T evolve from monkeys because you do believe in God?
 
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Hutch said:
We didn't evolve FROM monkeys per se, but we both evolved from the same ancient species and simply took different evolutionary paths.

Stockton, do you believe that we DIDN'T evolve from monkeys because you do believe in God?
Hutch, anything against the Bible or Teaching of Christ, you know I'll always be Opposed to it. Count on it.
 
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Stockton209SS said:
Hutch, anything against the Bible or Teaching of Christ, you know I'll always be Opposed to it. Count on it.
So you completely rule out anything that might go against the bible immediately regardless of facts or evidence? Do you even attempt to objectively read anything about evolution and eccess the evidence, or do you just rule it out automatically? Based on you trying to portray evolution as "man coming from a monkey" clearly you do not...
 
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Snubnoze said:
So you completely rule out anything that might go against the bible immediately regardless of facts or evidence? Do you even attempt to objectively read anything about evolution and eccess the evidence, or do you just rule it out automatically? Based on you trying to portray evolution as "man coming from a monkey" clearly you do not...
I just wouldn't discount anything for just no reason. Of course I do. Like when they say the World is a Million or Even Billions of years old, I think it's BS, but I don't doubt the Fact that the Universe is Billions of Years old, or how the Big Bang Theory. God never told us how he formed the World, the Big Bang is one theory.
 
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Stockton209SS said:
I just wouldn't discount anything for just no reason. Of course I do. Like when they say the World is a Million or Even Billions of years old, I think it's BS, but I don't doubt the Fact that the Universe is Billions of Years old, or how the Big Bang Theory. God never told us how he formed the World, the Big Bang is one theory.
Is there a particular reason you think estimates of the earth's age are inaccurate? Have you looked at the scientific evidence and the methods used to reach these conclusions?
 
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JLMACN said:
Christ didnt say ...WE DIDNT COME FROM MONKEYS.

Christ didnt even say what/where/how we came about did he now?

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In Genesis he did. JMACLN I have a question, me and EDJ go on about our Different Beliefs, but if you don't believe in God, why question our faith in him?
 
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RedStorm said:
Is there a particular reason you think estimates of the earth's age are inaccurate? Have you looked at the scientific evidence and the methods used to reach these conclusions?
Carbon Dating isn't even as accurate as many scientist will tell you. I go by the Biblical Datings of Prophecies and Generations and the world is about 6000 years Old or even more, but not in the millions.
 
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Stockton209SS said:
Carbon Dating isn't even as accurate as many scientist will tell you. I go by the Biblical Datings of Prophecies and Generations and the world is about 6000 years Old or even more, but not in the millions.
Tell me how ancient sea creature fossils are found in mountains that contain rock that is created in the ocean. Does this change in the earth's formation happen in 6000 years? How is carbon dating inacurate? How can you with a straight face say that the earth is only 6000 years old considering a rediculous amount of evidence saying otherwise...

I don't understand how people can throw out facts and evidence just because its not in the bible. Evolution is KNOWN and ACCEPTED by scientist and people who dedicate their life to study the origin of man, or other species for that matter. With all the evidence out there that is accessible I don't understand how anybody can call it bullshit. But then again, these are typically the same type of people who believe earthquakes are caused by God :dead: ...
 
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Stockton209SS said:
In Genesis he did. JMACLN I have a question, me and EDJ go on about our Different Beliefs, but if you don't believe in God, why question our faith in him?

No he didnt...

Christ = God?

or

Christ = Jesus?

therfor

jesus = god?

or

Christ = Moses?

didnt moses write Genesis?....supposebly?


and to answer your question...
I question your faith in him....for obvious reasons...pastor.




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JLMACN said:
No he didnt...

Christ = God?

or

Christ = Jesus?

therfor

jesus = god?

or

Christ = Moses?

didnt moses write Genesis?....supposebly?


and to answer your question...
I question your faith in him....for obvious reasons...pastor.




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