2pac's reading list when he was in prison
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Even though you could argue that I'm coming at you, I am telling you that I am not. Even though the joke implies you engage in homosexual acts, I am only coming at your cheerleader. That is all.
Pac spelled it and pronounced it differently, so why would his fans pronounce it any different? It's not a get out of jail free, because they are referring to Pac's "alter ego", not the Italian author.
My claim:
Your claim:
You can't prove yours and neither can I, so don't get too serious about any of these "claims".
Pac spelled it and pronounced it differently, so why would his fans pronounce it any different? It's not a get out of jail free, because they are referring to Pac's "alter ego", not the Italian author.
My claim:
Your claim:
You can't prove yours and neither can I, so don't get too serious about any of these "claims".
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Lemmings.
@enserio Why does he have to be MY cheerleader? Yes, he and I have similar views, but we also disagree in many areas. This man has his own mind, and he has held his own on the board so far.
If they are intelligent, they would pronounce the name correctly regardless of how pac spelled it or pronounced it. However, they DON'T do this. Also, I'm not saying they should pronounce or spell PACS alias a different way. What I'm saying is these people spell and mispronounce when referring to the REAL Machiavelli.(where is the intelligence in that?)
Considering who the majority of his fans are I would say I have a strong case.
@enserio Why does he have to be MY cheerleader? Yes, he and I have similar views, but we also disagree in many areas. This man has his own mind, and he has held his own on the board so far.
If they are intelligent, they would pronounce the name correctly regardless of how pac spelled it or pronounced it. However, they DON'T do this. Also, I'm not saying they should pronounce or spell PACS alias a different way. What I'm saying is these people spell and mispronounce when referring to the REAL Machiavelli.(where is the intelligence in that?)
Considering who the majority of his fans are I would say I have a strong case.
I'm not talking about for HIS character. I'm talking about when referring to the REAL/HISTORICAL/ACTUAL Machiavelli. I don't give a damn if pac pronounced it as JESUS, the point is the fans are mispronouncing it when referring to the REAL person. When referring to the real person use the CORRECT spelling and pronounciation. When referring to pac do whatever you want.
Again, what I'm saying is these people spell and mispronounce when referring to the REAL Machiavelli. Why you would ask the question you did after I already made it clear is beyond me.
White males 13-28
black males 14-37
females 14-40
Again, what I'm saying is these people spell and mispronounce when referring to the REAL Machiavelli. Why you would ask the question you did after I already made it clear is beyond me.
White males 13-28
black males 14-37
females 14-40
BECAUSE YOU DIDNT MAKE URSELF CLEAR, I DONT THINK YOU MAKE ANY SENSE.....DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE MAKE UP THOSE AGE GROUPS WORLDWIDE????? I JUST DONT SEE HOW YOU COULD MAKE STATEMENTS LIKE THAT IN REFERENCE TO PAC FANS WHEN YOU DONT KNOW HOW MANY FANS HE HAS AND IF THE MAJORITY ARE INTELLIGENT OR DING DONGS LIKE THE ONES YOU MAKE THEM OUT TO BE....
No you just don't understand what has been typed, and I made myself PERFECTLY clear before you even asked your question. This was stated BEFORE you asked your question:
I typed this BEFORE you replied, AND I put it in bold so it can stand out. I made it VERY CLEAR that I am referring to the way they refer to the REAL Machiavelli.
The majority of his sales most likely came from america, and if they didn't, the demographics are still applicable (do you believe he sold 6 million records in china or japan?) Factor in the drop out rate and level of education of each group and you'll come to the conclusion that most of his fans were dummies. In addition, most of his fans probably never heard of Machiavelli before he even mentioned it, and coupled with the fact that they actually believe Machiavelli FAKED his own death, it moves us one step closer to his fans being dummies.
As to how I could know? That is very easy. Are you a pac fan?
@Defy you asked:
When dealing with the REAL word is that how it is pronounced or spelled? Is the word spelled Ludacris? Would you be dinged for spelling ludicrous as ludacris on a test? YES YOU WOULD. Since this is obviously true, why are you attempting to justify the butchering of a proper noun (MACHIAVELLI ?)
I typed this BEFORE you replied, AND I put it in bold so it can stand out. I made it VERY CLEAR that I am referring to the way they refer to the REAL Machiavelli.
The majority of his sales most likely came from america, and if they didn't, the demographics are still applicable (do you believe he sold 6 million records in china or japan?) Factor in the drop out rate and level of education of each group and you'll come to the conclusion that most of his fans were dummies. In addition, most of his fans probably never heard of Machiavelli before he even mentioned it, and coupled with the fact that they actually believe Machiavelli FAKED his own death, it moves us one step closer to his fans being dummies.
As to how I could know? That is very easy. Are you a pac fan?
@Defy you asked:
When dealing with the REAL word is that how it is pronounced or spelled? Is the word spelled Ludacris? Would you be dinged for spelling ludicrous as ludacris on a test? YES YOU WOULD. Since this is obviously true, why are you attempting to justify the butchering of a proper noun (MACHIAVELLI ?)
The whole GOM firum knows whose cheerleader he is, and it has nothing to do with you two sharing views or not. Didn't he even put "I'm not Heresy's Disciple" under his username? At any rate, I meant no insult or disrespect to you, so let's drop it.
The bolded area is what I was unsure of and it's clear. So you're saying you've been in enough situations where people you know to be 2Pac fans are talking about The Prince and refer to the author as Makaveli? You must be an anthropologist of sorts. Please post some data.
You have only established some age groups of who you think his fans are (which I more or less agree with), but you have posted nothing to make any kind of a case for your outrageous claim.
To me, the truth is that you and I have no data whatsoever to support our claims, we only have personal experiences to draw from. For me, people that I have encountered around 25 or older, whether college educated or not, have been knowledgeable enough with no complaints. Again, to me, there is alot of the younger generation that mostly cling to his thug image and couldn't tell you a damn thing about The Prince, except they think Pac faked his own death because it's author.
So, I don't think you got your fourth grade reading claim from just out of nowhere, but it's highly exaggerated to the point where it's bullshit.
The bolded area is what I was unsure of and it's clear. So you're saying you've been in enough situations where people you know to be 2Pac fans are talking about The Prince and refer to the author as Makaveli? You must be an anthropologist of sorts. Please post some data.
You have only established some age groups of who you think his fans are (which I more or less agree with), but you have posted nothing to make any kind of a case for your outrageous claim.
To me, the truth is that you and I have no data whatsoever to support our claims, we only have personal experiences to draw from. For me, people that I have encountered around 25 or older, whether college educated or not, have been knowledgeable enough with no complaints. Again, to me, there is alot of the younger generation that mostly cling to his thug image and couldn't tell you a damn thing about The Prince, except they think Pac faked his own death because it's author.
So, I don't think you got your fourth grade reading claim from just out of nowhere, but it's highly exaggerated to the point where it's bullshit.
A guy walks into a library:
Guy: Yeah do you have some books on Makavelli?
Librarian: Can you repeat that?
Guy: Makavelli, do you have books on Makavelli?
Librarian: I've never heard of that name sir, how do you spell it?
Guy: M-A-K-A-V-E-L-L-I
Librarian: Ok let's see now. We have "Tupacs greatest hits", "The rise and Fall of Death Row", "Why The West Coast Fell Off".
Guy: No! I'm not lookin for Tupac. Tupac is the rapper Makavelli, but I'm lookin for the makavelli who faked his own death.
Librarian:I'm sorry I can't help you, but I don't see anything else for
Makavelli. Are you sure you have it spelled right.
Guy: Yeah.
Heresy: Excuse me, I overheard your convo, and you'll probably have a better time finding it if you searched for MACHIAVELLI...and you can even take away an L and something might pop up.
Librarian: Thank you...and by the way I've been checking you out, heres my # call me.
Heresy: Thanks, I'll hit you up later.
Guy:....
Guy: Yeah do you have some books on Makavelli?
Librarian: Can you repeat that?
Guy: Makavelli, do you have books on Makavelli?
Librarian: I've never heard of that name sir, how do you spell it?
Guy: M-A-K-A-V-E-L-L-I
Librarian: Ok let's see now. We have "Tupacs greatest hits", "The rise and Fall of Death Row", "Why The West Coast Fell Off".
Guy: No! I'm not lookin for Tupac. Tupac is the rapper Makavelli, but I'm lookin for the makavelli who faked his own death.
Librarian:I'm sorry I can't help you, but I don't see anything else for
Makavelli. Are you sure you have it spelled right.
Guy: Yeah.
Heresy: Excuse me, I overheard your convo, and you'll probably have a better time finding it if you searched for MACHIAVELLI...and you can even take away an L and something might pop up.
Librarian: Thank you...and by the way I've been checking you out, heres my # call me.
Heresy: Thanks, I'll hit you up later.
Guy:....
Stockton is a logical human being and free thinker. He is not my "cheerleader", and if others believe that they need to seek help. However, if stockton WAS my cheerleader, I'd quickly dismantle him because I ride alone, but if I ACCEPTED cheerleaders (and he was my cheerleader), it would be best if you all followed in his foot steps. LONG LIVE HERESY!
Concerts, libraries, book stores, schools, BART (the train), Airports, etc. Hit the gazillion and one tupac websites and you'll see what I'm talking about.
It is not an outrageous claim, and I don't need to post anything since you already agree with it. However, if you know anything about demographics and record sales (thats how I started in the music biz) than you would know something about the age bracket of those who purchase music, where they are from, and their financial status (when you study in great detail.) However, do a google on soundscan and see if they have the old pac numbers for free. After that start your own research.
The demographics of his fans speak volumes. Look at the drop out rate of each group listed and tell me what you find. However, personal experience does play a role, but that does not remove the fact that the majority of his fans are dummies.
OK.
Which helps prove my point.
http://www.wsws.org/news/1998/oct1998/ill-o14.shtml
Fallacy, or deductive reasoning? Many americans are illiterate. Many pac fans are american. Many pac fans are illiterate.
Concerts, libraries, book stores, schools, BART (the train), Airports, etc. Hit the gazillion and one tupac websites and you'll see what I'm talking about.
It is not an outrageous claim, and I don't need to post anything since you already agree with it. However, if you know anything about demographics and record sales (thats how I started in the music biz) than you would know something about the age bracket of those who purchase music, where they are from, and their financial status (when you study in great detail.) However, do a google on soundscan and see if they have the old pac numbers for free. After that start your own research.
The demographics of his fans speak volumes. Look at the drop out rate of each group listed and tell me what you find. However, personal experience does play a role, but that does not remove the fact that the majority of his fans are dummies.
OK.
Which helps prove my point.
http://www.wsws.org/news/1998/oct1998/ill-o14.shtml
Fallacy, or deductive reasoning? Many americans are illiterate. Many pac fans are american. Many pac fans are illiterate.
