100 things you SHOULD know about Africa

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Gas One said:
of course he does.

but conspiracists play off of what we call "the grey area"

which is why it cannot be proved or dissaproved at the same time
you can believe in atlantis if you want, its cool with me

attempting to prove it wrong or right would just be a big ass circle
no there is a difference....im not talking grey areas.....im talkin about SOLID EVIDENCE.....that many scientists with baccgrounds are proving.....no different then the scientists and such that came up wit ParkBoyz knowledge of Africa...these scientists jus delve deeper and go further bacc......Eisntien was one of the fathers of this theory by the way.....and we all know how smart he was and how different his thinkin was to the average human.....
 

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valleypain, if you published a book about africa, you would have about 4 pages at the end of the book with references citing such archaologists and etc.

so your telling me you have SOLID EVIDENCE that a race of giants existed, before the first recorded humans on earth?

where?
and how come all the history books and historical websites havent been changed with this amazing discovery? we need to get on that, like now man. your making history here.
 
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ValleyPainProduct said:
no there is a difference....im not talking grey areas.....im talkin about SOLID EVIDENCE.....that many scientists with baccgrounds are proving.....no different then the scientists and such that came up wit ParkBoyz knowledge of Africa...these scientists jus delve deeper and go further bacc......Eisntien was one of the fathers of this theory by the way.....and we all know how smart he was and how different his thinkin was to the average human.....
Can you cite some of this evidence? It concerns history so just post some of it, it should be interesting since you claim it to be "Solid Evidence"..
 

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i guess every single giant in atlantis's bones magically dissapeared too, although for some reason we were able to discover dinosaur bones...and million year old mosquitos that bit such animals...

maybe all the giants jumped in a black hole like on event horizon

fuck it, imma start looking for santa claus. i mean shit, i aint been to the north pole to know he aint there, you know?
 
Aug 6, 2006
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Filthy_Rich said:
that was a decent read, but it's really a stretch to credit Africans with all of those accomplishments. Egyptian accomplishments should be credited to the Egyptians, not all Africans. You're categorizing an entire continent even though different countries and regions vary widely throughout.
I'm not sure about that statement though. Africans don't claim that African culture is derived from Egypt, the fact is that Egyptian culture is derived from Africa. Also know the difference between traditional Ancient Egypt and modern political Arabic Egypt. Arabs invaded and took Egypt in the 6th century, have been the ruling class ever since. Ancient Egyptians migrated to Egypt from with in Africa, they are/were Africans in the truest sense of the word. Any European connection to Greece would be equally questionable if you're to question Egypt in Africa, Greece is one part of Europe, Egypt in one part of Africa. Egypt is rightfully revered by Africans and is an enduring testament to Africa before anywhere else. No need to obscure the issue, you can't give Nubia to Africa and not Egypt, that's hypocritical. Egyptians were just as "African" as everyone else, we can discuss this if you'd like and I could clarify your misconceptions. Trying to take Egypt and separate it from the rest of Africa is a Eurocentric idea tied to notions of racism at the time.. I'd like to understand why you'd single out Egypt out of all of the other civilizations and/or kingdoms mentioned? You seem to be restricted to Dogma, read what I post below and check out the link as it details through various peer reviewed studies the origins of the Ancient Egyptians, and the evidence seems to indicate an origin in the Sahara and East Africa, they were not weird looking Arab types, they were African variant populations, and later on there was more complex admixture with foreigners... The Egyptians themselves traced their homeland to Somalia (Land Of Punt)..
 
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http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/keita.html
The Geographical Origins and Population Relationships of Early Ancient Egyptians
Professor S.O.Y. Keita
Department of Biological Anthropology
Oxford University

Professor A. J. Boyce
University Reader in Human Population
Oxford University

What was the primary geographical source for the peopling of the Egyptian Nile Valley? Were the creators of the fundamental culture of southern predynastic Egypt—which led to the dynastic culture—migrants and colonists from Europe or the Near East? Or were they predominantly African variant populations?

These questions can be addressed using data from studies of biology and culture, and evolutionary interpretive models. Archaeological and linguistic data indicate an origin in Africa. Biological data from living Egyptians and from skeletons of ancient Egyptians may also shed light on these questions. It is important to keep in mind the long presence of humans in Africa, and that there should be a great range of biological variation in indigenous "authentic" Africans.

Scientists have been studying remains from the Egyptian Nile Valley for years. Analysis of crania is the traditional approach to assessing ancient population origins, relationships, and diversity. In studies based on anatomical traits and measurements of crania, similarities have been found between Nile Valley crania from 30,000, 20,000 and 12,000 years ago and various African remains from more recent times (see Thoma 1984; Brauer and Rimbach 1990; Angel and Kelley 1986; Keita 1993). Studies of crania from southern predynastic Egypt, from the formative period (4000-3100 B.C.), show them usually to be more similar to the crania of ancient Nubians, Kushites, Saharans, or modern groups from the Horn of Africa than to those of dynastic northern Egyptians or ancient or modern southern Europeans.

Another source of skeletal data is limb proportions, which generally vary with different climatic belts. In general, the early Nile Valley remains have the proportions of more tropical populations, which is noteworthy since Egypt is not in the tropics. This suggests that the Egyptian Nile Valley was not primarily settled by cold-adapted peoples, such as Europeans.

Art objects are not generally used by biological anthropologists. They are suspect as data and their interpretation highly dependent on stereotyped thinking. However, because art has often been used to comment on the physiognomies of ancient Egyptians, a few remarks are in order. A review of literature and the sculpture indicates characteristics that also can be found in the Horn of (East) Africa (see, e.g., Petrie 1939; Drake 1987; Keita 1993). Old and Middle Kingdom statuary shows a range of characteristics; many, if not most, individuals depicted in the art have variations on the narrow-nosed, narrow-faced morphology also seen in various East Africans. This East African anatomy, once seen as being the result of a mixture of different "races," is better understood as being part of the range of indigenous African variation.

The descriptions and terms of ancient Greek writers have sometimes been used to comment on Egyptian origins. This is problematic since the ancient writers were not doing population biology. However, we can examine one issue. The Greeks called all groups south of Egypt "Ethiopians." Were the Egyptians more related to any of these "Ethiopians" than to the Greeks? As noted, cranial and limb studies have indicated greater similarity to Somalis, Kushites and Nubians, all "Ethiopians" in ancient Greek terms.

There are few studies of ancient DNA from Egyptian remains and none so far of southern predynastic skeletons. A study of 12th Dynasty DNA shows that the remains evaluated had multiple lines of descent, including not surprisingly some from "sub-Saharan" Africa (Paabo and Di Rienzo 1993). The other lineages were not identified, but may be African in origin. More work is needed. In the future, early remains from the Nile Valley and the rest of Africa will have to be studied in this manner in order to establish the early baseline range of genetic variation of all Africa. The data are important to avoid stereotyped ideas about the DNA of African peoples.

The information from the living Egyptian population may not be as useful because historical records indicate substantial immigration into Egypt over the last several millennia, and it seems to have been far greater from the Near East and Europe than from areas far south of Egypt. "Substantial immigration" can actually mean a relatively small number of people in terms of population genetics theory. It has been determined that an average migration rate of one percent per generation into a region could result in a great change of the original gene frequencies in only several thousand years. (This assumes that all migrants marry natives and that all native-migrant offspring remain in the region.) It is obvious then that an ethnic group or nationality can change in average gene frequencies or physiognomy by intermarriage, unless social rules exclude the products of "mixed" unions from membership in the receiving group. More abstractly this means that geographically defined populations can undergo significant genetic change with a small percentage of steady assimilation of "foreign" genes. This is true even if natural selection does not favor the genes (and does not eliminate them).

Examples of regions that have biologically absorbed genetically different immigrants are Sicily, Portugal, and Greece, where the frequencies of various genetic markers (and historical records) indicate sub-Saharan and supra-Saharan African migrants.

This scenario is different from one in which a different population replaces another via colonization. Native Egyptians were variable. Foreigners added to this variability.

The genetic data on the recent Egyptian population is fairly sparse. There has not been systematic research on large samples from the numerous regions of Egypt. Taken collectively, the results of various analyses suggest that modern Egyptians have ties with various African regions, as well as with Near Easterners and Europeans. Egyptian gene frequencies are between those of Europeans and some sub-Saharan Africans. This is not surprising. The studies have used various kinds of data: standard blood groups and proteins, mitochondrial DNA, and the Y chromosome. The gene frequencies and variants of the "original" population, or of one of early high density, cannot be deduced without a theoretical model based on archaeological and "historical" data, including the aforementioned DNA from ancient skeletons. (It must be noted that it is not yet clear how useful ancient DNA will be in most historical genetic research.) It is not clear to what degree certain genetic systems usually interpreted as non-African may in fact be native to Africa. Much depends on how "African" is defined and the model of interpretation.

The various genetic studies usually suffer from what is called categorical thinking, specifically, racial thinking. Many investigators still think of "African" in a stereotyped, nonscientific (nonevolutionary) fashion, not acknowledging a range of genetic variants or traits as equally African. The definition of "African" that would be most appropriate should encompass variants that arose in Africa. Given that this is not the orientation of many scholars, who work from outmoded racial perspectives, the presence of "stereotypical" African genes so far from the "African heartland" is noteworthy. These genes have always been in the valley in any reasonable interpretation of the data. As a team of Egyptian geneticists stated recently, "During this long history and besides these Asiatic influences, Egypt maintained its African identity . . ." (Mahmoud et al. 1987). This statement is even more true in a wider evolutionary interpretation, since some of the "Asian" genes may be African in origin. Modern data and improved theoretical approaches extend and validate this conclusion.

In summary, various kinds of data and the evolutionary approach indicate that the Nile Valley populations had greater ties with other African populations in the early ancient period. Early Nile Valley populations were primarily coextensive with indigenous African populations. Linguistic and archaeological data provide key supporting evidence for a primarily African origin.


References Cited:

Angel, J. L., and J. O. Kelley, Description and comparison of the skeleton. In The Wadi Kubbaniya Skeleton: A Late Paleolithic
Burial from Southern Egypt. E Wendorf and R. Schild. pp. 53-70. Dallas: Southern Methodist University Press. 1986

Brauer, G., and K. Rimbach, Late archaic and modern Homo sapiens from Europe, Africa, and Southwest Asia: Craniometric comparisons and phylogenetic implications, Journal of Human Evolution 19:789-807. 1990

Drake, St. C., Black Folk Here and There, vol 1. Los Angeles: University of California. 1987

Keita, S.O.Y., Studies and comments on ancient Egyptian biological relationships. History in Africa 20:129-154. 1993

Mahmoud, L. et. al, Human blood groups in Dakhlaya. Egypt. Annah of Human Biology. 14(6):487-493. 1987

Paabo, S., and A. Di Rienzo, A molecular approach to the study of Egyptian history. In Biological Anthropology and the Study
of Ancient Egypt. V. Davies and R. Walker, eds. pp. 86-90. London: British Museum Press. 1993

Petrie, W.M., F. The Making of Egypt. London: Sheldon Press. 1984

Thoma, A., Morphology and affinities of the Nazlet Khaterman. Journal of Human Evolution 13:287-296. 1984
 
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Rusto said:
if africa has all this going for it....why is it the most unprosperous, uncivilized, most impovershed continent in the world?

(this is NOT meant to be racist in any way)
You should be ashamed of how dumb you are you fucking stupid ass idiot.
 
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^^^ thats the problem with historical knowledge and accuracy...

people r so brainwashed to believe sum white hype...

and like i said earlier of the american view "ur poor cuz u want to be"...yadddamean?

206 is right

the IMF, etc. fucks these countries REALLLLLLLLLL HARD...

jamiaca is a good example...

they wont invest in that country...and if they do they will tell them how to spend their money...

like if they wanted to spend it on education...the IMF would say no, u have to put in manufacturing or w/e....

ITS SYSTEMATIC!!!!!!!!!!.....its hard to think outta a white supremacy view...EVEN IF UR NOT WHITE!!!!!!!!
 
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ParkBoyz said:
^Critical thinking? Haha! Get your liberal arts particulars in order before you make ignorant assumptions that make no sense, lol!
It makes no sense? Are you kidding me? It makes no sense that a critical thinking course would cover such fallacies as non-sequitur, red-herring and straw man!!? BhAhAHhAhAhAh! Are you that ignorant? It is a FACT that critical thinking courses typically cover ALL of the terms you are using. So either you really didn't put two and two together (or couldn't) or you simply are not thinking at all.
 
Aug 6, 2006
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AGENT707 said:
^^^ thats the problem with historical knowledge and accuracy...

people r so brainwashed to believe sum white hype...

and like i said earlier of the american view "ur poor cuz u want to be"...yadddamean?
That's the whole problem, people are content with being ignorant and lack the skills to research so ultimately they end up accepting myths and taking them for granted. Accompanied by some sick disgusting opinions, like "why give credit to Africans for Egypt"? We have people redefining "African" and everything, in the process identity is stripped if you let people tell you who you're able to identify with.. As far as today's Africans being uncivilized, that's hogwash..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHGQkcyoEJM
 
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Filthy_Rich said:
what up Reese?

@ParkBoyz- i was only using Egypt as an example. My point was that I don't think it's fair to categorize such a large group of people as one just because they come from the same huge continent. English achievements are recognized as such. Greek accomplishments are credited to Greeks. A Japanese person can’t take credit for something that the Chinese invented. But by your presentation, it’d be okay to do so since both are Asian. Is it reasonable to classify so many cultures/countries based on their geographical location?
Okay, well I just don't see it like that. I see Africans as a related group of people with recent common origins and culture, so it's only right to embrace.. Scientifically and historically there is no denying that, now socially should people of African descent, especially people in America who don't know who most of their ancestors were be able to embrace cultures like Egypt, Nubia, Ethiopia, and Mali? I say yes, no need to conquer and divide any longer, these are questions of identity and that's the closest they can get to the glory of their people....
 

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I'm SUCH a coon....

The reason I said what I did is because Parkboyz up until now has been a "yee yee hyphy nigga yaddida" cat and now all of a sudden became Moron X....Glad you found yerself playboy...

But you did NO research....All you did was find a website and cut/paste to make yerself look intelligent.
 
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DJ Mark 7 said:
I'm SUCH a coon....

The reason I said what I did is because Parkboyz up until now has been a "yee yee hyphy nigga yaddida" cat and now all of a sudden became Moron X....Glad you found yerself playboy...

But you did NO research....All you did was find a website and cut/paste to make yerself look intelligent.

U MAD?
 

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Filthy_Rich said:
So, if the human race originated in Africa, then wouldn't everyone be allowed to embrace their African roots? I know it's a stretch, but where do you draw the line? How far back are you allowed to go?

would that give pass on the word nigge* for white use? .........the possibilities are endless...
 
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Black Reign said:
Haha! Of course he is..

Filthy_Rich said:
So, if the human race originated in Africa, then wouldn't everyone be allowed to embrace their African roots? I know it's a stretch, but where do you draw the line? How far back are you allowed to go?
No, because they left Africa and adapted elsewhere, use your common sense, you seem like an intelligent person. You're looking at it from a reductionist Eurocentric view, I'm looking at it from a Pan-Africanist, cultural aspect. We will not allow any more invaders into Africa trying to claim African culture as "everyone's legacy" when the same courtesy is not applied to European or Mid Eastern civilizations. Therefore we have to put it in a social context and get rid of the divide and conquer mentality. Africa is geographically defined as a separate entity, and genetically all of its indigenous inhabitants are linked via more recent "common ancestry", specifically under the PN2 Clade.
http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/Northeast_african_analysis.pdf

^There should be no questioning this, you should question the tendencies of your own people first before you question others. This is simply historical convention on the part of African people..