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Payano (champion), Mendez (former champion), Lubin who seems to be close to a can't miss prospect, Khytrov who's crushed everyone he's fought 6 fights in, Olympic gold medalist Felix Diaz, Sammy Vazquez etc.
I like what they're doing over there and he's normally matching his guys well.
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Mike Tyson should have done this a long time ago.
Technically he could have started before Golden Boy even stepped on the scene.
Technically he could have started before Golden Boy even stepped on the scene.
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He is an advisor. People defend those they like, trust or know/know of and believe.
What you should be asking is why do people want to sign with him, why is it the only guy who left him went back and, if he is in violation of the law, why people continue to sign with him? After you do that ask why the sanctioning bodies, commissions and networks are defended by the fans and people.
What you should be asking is why do people want to sign with him, why is it the only guy who left him went back and, if he is in violation of the law, why people continue to sign with him? After you do that ask why the sanctioning bodies, commissions and networks are defended by the fans and people.
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He is also a manager. Some fighters he's officially their manager, others advisor. In both cases he acts as manager however.
I already know why. He gets fighters good paydays for ffighting easy opponents. Is this good for boxing?
LOL there are no fans or defenders of sanctioning bodies and commissions, none. Sure there are those that may say SHO is better than HBO or vice versa for whatever reason, or those that don't care and have both.
I already know why. He gets fighters good paydays for ffighting easy opponents. Is this good for boxing?
LOL there are no fans or defenders of sanctioning bodies and commissions, none. Sure there are those that may say SHO is better than HBO or vice versa for whatever reason, or those that don't care and have both.
Fat Dan
Dan Rafael chat wrap 11/21:
- The judging panel for Algieri-Pacquiao is all from the US and includes Michael Pernick, who he considers one of the best judges in boxing.
- Does not think the catch weight of 144 means any advantage for either fighter. When he fights at 147, Manny usually weighs within a pound of 144. Manny actually has to put on weight for his fights. Roach said that Manny recently weighed in at 139 lbs. Roach and Manny believe he is slower at 147 and that his KO power does not carry from 140 to 147. Pacquiao says he walks around at 140 and he could still make 135 if he wanted to. To prepare for Algieri's height they have been sparring with Postol. Manny said he wants to knock Algieri out. Roach says that Manny has never told him going into a fight he wanted a KO. *From an article written yesterday by Rafael frequently referenced in the chat.
- Picks for Saturday: Pacquiao by KO, Lomachenko but not sure how, Vargas by decision, Shiming by decision.
- Heard rumors of Floyd-Cotto 2 in 2015, but does not buy them for a minute.
- Still saying Klitschko-Jennings in the US in the Spring is very possible.
- Wladimir did not like Pulev at all and was trash talking him.
- Purses: Pacquiao - more than $20 million, Algieri - est. $1.675 million.
- The Klitschko's get very little respect in America because they are not American. If they were American they would be superstars by now.
- Does not know the exact amount, but does know Mayweather paid Pacquiao "millions" to settle the civil suit where he accused Pacquiao of taking PED's.
- Danny Garcia does not have an exclusive contract with Showtime, so he could make a fight with Pacquiao...if Haymon allowed it.
- His understanding is the Mickey Rourke fight is an "exhibition", not a real fight.
- Wladimir would be a big favorite against all 3: Jennings, Stiverne, and Wilder. He would like to see Wlad fight Jennings and then fight the Stiverne-Wilder winner. Technically the Fury-Chisora winner is his mandatory. If he wanted to fight any of the mentioned fighters, the WBO would allow him an exception to fight whoever he wanted, in whatever order he wanted.
- Both sides have talked about making Canelo-Cotto. Once Top Rank gets back from China expect more to get done.
- Response to is Peterson-Garcia close to being made? "Ask Espinoza".
- He believes Roach when he said Manny dropped Khan in sparring.
- Predicting between 500-600k buys for Pacquiao-Algieri.
- Picking Crawford to beat Beltran.
- Alvarado-Rios 3 still being worked on. Again, let Top Rank get back from Macau and we will start seeing their fight schedule start to become more defined.
- Worst low blow he could think of was Trinidad on Vargas.
- Does not think Canelo-Cotto does 1 million PPV buys.
- Potential to be a bigger star, Mikey Garcia or Thurman? Thurman - he has a better personality and fighting style.
- If they fought today who wins: Sadam Ali or Spence? Spence. Thinks Spence could hang with most 147 fighters and could beat some of them - right now. Thinks he could give Brook, Guerrero, and Alexander all good fights.
- Algieri comes across as a very nice guy when dealing with him.
- Thought the Floyd Mayweather article in USA Today was very well done. It wasn't new information, but good insight on part of Mayweather's personality.
- Has meant Wilder several times and says he is a really nice guy.
- Does not think GGG-Hopkins ever happens.
- RJJ said he would like to broadcast a fight, work a corner, and fight in the same night...and there was no doubt he was serious.
- Top Rank would really like to bring Froch to Las Vegas to fight Gilberto Ramirez.
- Thinks that Pacquiao-Mayweather easily sells 3 million + PPV buys.
- Andre Ward is no closer to being back in the ring.
- Prime Tyson vs. Prime Wlad? Wlad by violent KO.
- Vargas is a name Arum has mentioned as a possible future Pacquiao opponent.
- Kovalev vs. Mohameddi? Easy work for Kovalev.
- FNF season premier main event: Darleys Perez vs. Jonathan Maicelo.
- He scored Provodnikov beating Algieri.
- Does not know Shiming's purse, but probably more than 500k.
- Thinks Manny's t-shirt in the Foot Locker commercial was designed for double meaning: Kobe and Mayweather.
- Gary Russell fight vs. TBA (seriously) on Dec. 20th in Shelton, WA off TV.
Dan Rafael chat wrap 11/21:
- The judging panel for Algieri-Pacquiao is all from the US and includes Michael Pernick, who he considers one of the best judges in boxing.
- Does not think the catch weight of 144 means any advantage for either fighter. When he fights at 147, Manny usually weighs within a pound of 144. Manny actually has to put on weight for his fights. Roach said that Manny recently weighed in at 139 lbs. Roach and Manny believe he is slower at 147 and that his KO power does not carry from 140 to 147. Pacquiao says he walks around at 140 and he could still make 135 if he wanted to. To prepare for Algieri's height they have been sparring with Postol. Manny said he wants to knock Algieri out. Roach says that Manny has never told him going into a fight he wanted a KO. *From an article written yesterday by Rafael frequently referenced in the chat.
- Picks for Saturday: Pacquiao by KO, Lomachenko but not sure how, Vargas by decision, Shiming by decision.
- Heard rumors of Floyd-Cotto 2 in 2015, but does not buy them for a minute.
- Still saying Klitschko-Jennings in the US in the Spring is very possible.
- Wladimir did not like Pulev at all and was trash talking him.
- Purses: Pacquiao - more than $20 million, Algieri - est. $1.675 million.
- The Klitschko's get very little respect in America because they are not American. If they were American they would be superstars by now.
- Does not know the exact amount, but does know Mayweather paid Pacquiao "millions" to settle the civil suit where he accused Pacquiao of taking PED's.
- Danny Garcia does not have an exclusive contract with Showtime, so he could make a fight with Pacquiao...if Haymon allowed it.
- His understanding is the Mickey Rourke fight is an "exhibition", not a real fight.
- Wladimir would be a big favorite against all 3: Jennings, Stiverne, and Wilder. He would like to see Wlad fight Jennings and then fight the Stiverne-Wilder winner. Technically the Fury-Chisora winner is his mandatory. If he wanted to fight any of the mentioned fighters, the WBO would allow him an exception to fight whoever he wanted, in whatever order he wanted.
- Both sides have talked about making Canelo-Cotto. Once Top Rank gets back from China expect more to get done.
- Response to is Peterson-Garcia close to being made? "Ask Espinoza".
- He believes Roach when he said Manny dropped Khan in sparring.
- Predicting between 500-600k buys for Pacquiao-Algieri.
- Picking Crawford to beat Beltran.
- Alvarado-Rios 3 still being worked on. Again, let Top Rank get back from Macau and we will start seeing their fight schedule start to become more defined.
- Worst low blow he could think of was Trinidad on Vargas.
- Does not think Canelo-Cotto does 1 million PPV buys.
- Potential to be a bigger star, Mikey Garcia or Thurman? Thurman - he has a better personality and fighting style.
- If they fought today who wins: Sadam Ali or Spence? Spence. Thinks Spence could hang with most 147 fighters and could beat some of them - right now. Thinks he could give Brook, Guerrero, and Alexander all good fights.
- Algieri comes across as a very nice guy when dealing with him.
- Thought the Floyd Mayweather article in USA Today was very well done. It wasn't new information, but good insight on part of Mayweather's personality.
- Has meant Wilder several times and says he is a really nice guy.
- Does not think GGG-Hopkins ever happens.
- RJJ said he would like to broadcast a fight, work a corner, and fight in the same night...and there was no doubt he was serious.
- Top Rank would really like to bring Froch to Las Vegas to fight Gilberto Ramirez.
- Thinks that Pacquiao-Mayweather easily sells 3 million + PPV buys.
- Andre Ward is no closer to being back in the ring.
- Prime Tyson vs. Prime Wlad? Wlad by violent KO.
- Vargas is a name Arum has mentioned as a possible future Pacquiao opponent.
- Kovalev vs. Mohameddi? Easy work for Kovalev.
- FNF season premier main event: Darleys Perez vs. Jonathan Maicelo.
- He scored Provodnikov beating Algieri.
- Does not know Shiming's purse, but probably more than 500k.
- Thinks Manny's t-shirt in the Foot Locker commercial was designed for double meaning: Kobe and Mayweather.
- Gary Russell fight vs. TBA (seriously) on Dec. 20th in Shelton, WA off TV.
Nicholas Walters: Nothing To Gain in Beating Lomachenko!
By Edward Chaykovsky
WBA featherweight champion Nicholas Walters (25-0, 21KOs) is now a hot name on the market, after last month's impressive knockout of highly regarded Nonito Donaire. Walters is promoted by Top Rank, who also have WBO champion Vasyl Lomachenko (2-1, 1KO) in their stable.
Lomachenko, who captured his world title earlier this year, won two Olympic gold medals and is regarded as one of the best amateur fighters in history. Lomachenko returns later tonight against mandatory challenger Chonlatarn Piriyapinyo as part of the Manny Pacquiao-Chris Algieri undercard in Macau, China.
At this point, despite Lomachenko's fast accomplishments in the pro ranks, Walters doesn't see too much to gain in that fight.
"Listen, I have nothing against Lomachenko — he’s won Olympic medals and did well in the amateur game, but he has just three professional fights. If I’m supposed to fight Lomachenko and I beat Lomachenko, everybody’s gonna say, “Oh he beat the guy with four fights,” Walters said to On The Ropes Boxing Radio .
"There’s nothing for me to gain out of beating a guy with three fights. He has more to gain from fighting me than I have to gain from fighting him. I’m the guy that knocked Nonito out and that’s never happened before and I did it."
The guy Walters would like to face is dangerous puncher Jhonny Gonzalez, who has the WBC's version of the title and the man who last year took out Abner Mares in one round.
"A fight with Johnny Gonzalez would definitely be a fight that I think the world would want to see because he has the Mexican crowd behind him, he definitely has a strong base right there and he said before the fight that he wanted to fight the winner. I want to unify all the belts, I want to own all the belts in featherweight, that’s my dream and that’s my aim," Walters said.
"Everybody’s gonna get their chance, I can guarantee that. The guy that doesn’t get a chance is the guy that doesn’t want to fight the ‘Axe Man.’ Apart from that, that’s a fight that I would definitely like, it’s an interesting fight. I would like to see how I would do against Johnny Gonzalez."
By Edward Chaykovsky
WBA featherweight champion Nicholas Walters (25-0, 21KOs) is now a hot name on the market, after last month's impressive knockout of highly regarded Nonito Donaire. Walters is promoted by Top Rank, who also have WBO champion Vasyl Lomachenko (2-1, 1KO) in their stable.
Lomachenko, who captured his world title earlier this year, won two Olympic gold medals and is regarded as one of the best amateur fighters in history. Lomachenko returns later tonight against mandatory challenger Chonlatarn Piriyapinyo as part of the Manny Pacquiao-Chris Algieri undercard in Macau, China.
At this point, despite Lomachenko's fast accomplishments in the pro ranks, Walters doesn't see too much to gain in that fight.
"Listen, I have nothing against Lomachenko — he’s won Olympic medals and did well in the amateur game, but he has just three professional fights. If I’m supposed to fight Lomachenko and I beat Lomachenko, everybody’s gonna say, “Oh he beat the guy with four fights,” Walters said to On The Ropes Boxing Radio .
"There’s nothing for me to gain out of beating a guy with three fights. He has more to gain from fighting me than I have to gain from fighting him. I’m the guy that knocked Nonito out and that’s never happened before and I did it."
The guy Walters would like to face is dangerous puncher Jhonny Gonzalez, who has the WBC's version of the title and the man who last year took out Abner Mares in one round.
"A fight with Johnny Gonzalez would definitely be a fight that I think the world would want to see because he has the Mexican crowd behind him, he definitely has a strong base right there and he said before the fight that he wanted to fight the winner. I want to unify all the belts, I want to own all the belts in featherweight, that’s my dream and that’s my aim," Walters said.
"Everybody’s gonna get their chance, I can guarantee that. The guy that doesn’t get a chance is the guy that doesn’t want to fight the ‘Axe Man.’ Apart from that, that’s a fight that I would definitely like, it’s an interesting fight. I would like to see how I would do against Johnny Gonzalez."
Why is it that a guy was given a title shot after ZERO fights, LOST and then got another title fight?
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No it was after 1 fight, he beat a top ten ranked guy and got a title fight in his second fight. Salido missed weight and was way over so the belt was stripped from him on the scales, that's why Loma got to fight for a title again after that against Russell.
Regardless, I don't like this attitude from Walters. Loma is a title holder and if Walters wants to unify he needs to fight him. Doesn't matter how many pro fights he has. But I have no problem with him fighting Gonzalez first.
Regardless, I don't like this attitude from Walters. Loma is a title holder and if Walters wants to unify he needs to fight him. Doesn't matter how many pro fights he has. But I have no problem with him fighting Gonzalez first.
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The fact he was fighting a top ten guy in his debut is the problem. Why is this guy shown favoritism? Rig had a great amateur record, GGG had a great one, Zewski had a great one, why didn't they get a top ten fight and title shot if they won? And loma lost his fight, he shouldn't have been able to fight again. Now I'm not taking anything away from him, but how can you support this type of shit yet blast haymon?
because he had possibly the greatest amateur record of all time, 300 and something fights with only one loss. He also participated in the semi pro league prior to turning pro, fighting highly skilled guys. it's not that unusual for guys making their pro debut fighting a top ten guy, happens frequently in Japan. Most American promoters don't do that though, they like to build a guy first.
So he got a win over a top ten guy in his first fight, the next part is more challenging - finding a title holder willing to fight you. In this case it was easy since Loma and Salido are both promoted by Top Rank, so there was no problem there. Now he lost, to an overweight Salido and his belt was stripped. Russell and Loma then fought for that vacant title because Salido was stripped and also moved up in weight himself, and the title became vacant. Now I don't know what the rankings were at the time, there may have been guys ranked ahead of Loma but we're unavailable, so usually if that's the case they go down the line until whoever is available (Loma) can fight for that title. Russell was already mandatory. Where Loma was in the rankings I don't know and if there were other guys who already had fights or turned down the title shot I also don't know the details to that.
But like I said regardless of that, he's a title holder now and if Walters wants to unify it's an easy fight to make since they are both with top rank. If he wants to take care of Gonzalez first, go for it. Loma has a fight tonight on the Pac undercard. Maybe he can take another fight after that and him and walters can get down sometime next year. It's obviously one of the best fights in the division.
As for Rigondeaux, he got a title shot early as well, after only 6 fights. Truth is he could have got one sooner too, but they wanted him to a get a few fights in first.
Zewski doesn't compare to the likes of Loma and Rigo.
As for Al Haymon,, this is the OPPOSITE of Haymon management. Look at Gary Russell for example. 20-something fights against TBA's and he got a title shot. Loma was the exact opposite, fighting the best opponents possible from the start. That's good for boxing. We like good fights, not good fighters vs TBA's. I'd love Haymon if he put his guys in with tough, good opponents early. that's what we want to see man. Loma is a dude that's already fought a top 10 guy, a title holder, and an undefeated mandatory fighter. Just in three fights. And he wants Walters next. That's awesome. I wish all fighters had that mentality.
So he got a win over a top ten guy in his first fight, the next part is more challenging - finding a title holder willing to fight you. In this case it was easy since Loma and Salido are both promoted by Top Rank, so there was no problem there. Now he lost, to an overweight Salido and his belt was stripped. Russell and Loma then fought for that vacant title because Salido was stripped and also moved up in weight himself, and the title became vacant. Now I don't know what the rankings were at the time, there may have been guys ranked ahead of Loma but we're unavailable, so usually if that's the case they go down the line until whoever is available (Loma) can fight for that title. Russell was already mandatory. Where Loma was in the rankings I don't know and if there were other guys who already had fights or turned down the title shot I also don't know the details to that.
But like I said regardless of that, he's a title holder now and if Walters wants to unify it's an easy fight to make since they are both with top rank. If he wants to take care of Gonzalez first, go for it. Loma has a fight tonight on the Pac undercard. Maybe he can take another fight after that and him and walters can get down sometime next year. It's obviously one of the best fights in the division.
As for Rigondeaux, he got a title shot early as well, after only 6 fights. Truth is he could have got one sooner too, but they wanted him to a get a few fights in first.
Zewski doesn't compare to the likes of Loma and Rigo.
As for Al Haymon,, this is the OPPOSITE of Haymon management. Look at Gary Russell for example. 20-something fights against TBA's and he got a title shot. Loma was the exact opposite, fighting the best opponents possible from the start. That's good for boxing. We like good fights, not good fighters vs TBA's. I'd love Haymon if he put his guys in with tough, good opponents early. that's what we want to see man. Loma is a dude that's already fought a top 10 guy, a title holder, and an undefeated mandatory fighter. Just in three fights. And he wants Walters next. That's awesome. I wish all fighters had that mentality.
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We blast Haymon cuz of his bum fights. Let's say Russell Jr had better competition leading up to fighting Loma, he probably would have been more prepared and maybe given a tougher fight. Instead, he was completely outclassed and out-schooled in every aspect. To even where when Russell was supposed to get paid more, I believe it was Lomachenko who got paid the higher purse.
I believe the way it works when a fight goes to a purse bid when it's for a vacant title (meaning neither are champion), if one of the fighters is from a foreign country and they are fighting in the other guys home country, they get the larger purse. Not quite sure how it works if they are both from the same country (probably 50/50 I assume). And if one of the guys is a champion then it's usually 65/35 or 70/30 in favor of the champ depending on the organization.
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No title shot bro. Simply put, he didn't earn it. You don't earn a fuckin title shot by one goddamn fight, what type of shit is this?
A guy coming off a loss gets another title fight. This shit doesn't sound rigged to you? The cards just happened to fall in place like this?
No complaint here.
6 is better than 1 and he didn't come off a loss.
True but his record was ok as an amateur. And his career is being stonewalled now. He should sign with advisor Al Haymon.
No, Arum worked his voodoowhodoo and that's that.
See, you and niggas like Battle see no problem in a guy not working his way to the top. This guy, simply because he had a great background, get's a fight while others who are clawing their way, #8, #11, etc are being denied. Come on man, get real. This type of shit is bad for boxing, just like a guy dropping a strap and moving up and automatically getting a shot is bad for boxing. But I guess it is all Haymons fault huh?
A guy coming off a loss gets another title fight. This shit doesn't sound rigged to you? The cards just happened to fall in place like this?
No complaint here.
6 is better than 1 and he didn't come off a loss.
True but his record was ok as an amateur. And his career is being stonewalled now. He should sign with advisor Al Haymon.
No, Arum worked his voodoowhodoo and that's that.
See, you and niggas like Battle see no problem in a guy not working his way to the top. This guy, simply because he had a great background, get's a fight while others who are clawing their way, #8, #11, etc are being denied. Come on man, get real. This type of shit is bad for boxing, just like a guy dropping a strap and moving up and automatically getting a shot is bad for boxing. But I guess it is all Haymons fault huh?
how is a decorated amateur legend fighting top opponents early bad for boxing? LOL
His title shot only happened because Salido gave him the opportunity. Loma wasn't a mandatory or anything like that. Salido had a voulantary fight, he chose to fight Loma because the money was good.
Now remember, as far as Russell Jr (who was mandatory) vs Loma for the vacant title, I said I dont know what the exact situation was and if there were other guys ranked higher not available, etc, so I can't comment in that. Nor can u unless you know the details and what the rankings were.
Regardles, top fighters fighting top fighters is good for boxing and my entire point here is Loma is a title holder and if Walters wants unify he has to fight him. That's my point.
His title shot only happened because Salido gave him the opportunity. Loma wasn't a mandatory or anything like that. Salido had a voulantary fight, he chose to fight Loma because the money was good.
Now remember, as far as Russell Jr (who was mandatory) vs Loma for the vacant title, I said I dont know what the exact situation was and if there were other guys ranked higher not available, etc, so I can't comment in that. Nor can u unless you know the details and what the rankings were.
Regardles, top fighters fighting top fighters is good for boxing and my entire point here is Loma is a title holder and if Walters wants unify he has to fight him. That's my point.