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Nuttkase

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I guess reports (for what they are worth) are coming out that the mother was a "doomsday prepper" and that she was so paranoid of people she rarely let anyone, including other family members, into their house. I thought that all to be pretty interesting and I wonder how much that played into this all happening.

Also it turns out she wasn't a teacher at the school and had no connection to it whatsoever. They only connection between the school and the shooter is he went there as a child himself.
 
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Morgan Freeman commented on the whole thing and to sum it up, he said the guy wanted to be remembered as a "vicious monster" or something like that rather than just a "sad nobody" "offing himself in his basement" and the media perpetuated a pattern of one-upsmanship between potential mass murderers.
 

NAMO

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Morgan Freeman commented on the whole thing and to sum it up, he said the guy wanted to be remembered as a "vicious monster" or something like that rather than just a "sad nobody" "offing himself in his basement" and the media perpetuated a pattern of one-upsmanship between potential mass murderers.
Its true we shouldn't give them fame.

Also true the media doesnt give a fuck, they only care about ratings and selling papers.
 

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Morgan Freeman commented on the whole thing and to sum it up, he said the guy wanted to be remembered as a "vicious monster" or something like that rather than just a "sad nobody" "offing himself in his basement" and the media perpetuated a pattern of one-upsmanship between potential mass murderers.
you read that on that one page ago in this thread lol
 
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Empathy and sympathy my ass. The only people who are really affected by this are the relatives of the victims. Everybody else is just paying lip service because that's the social convention. By Monday it will have been mostly forgotten and media's attention will be back on the fiscal cliff drama and people's attention back on celebrating Christmas.

Then in a few months we will have another one of these (while meanwhile there will have been about a dozen shootings that only leave a small number of dead and as a result are only mentioned in passing). And there will be another edition of the same news cycle. Rinse and repeat.
Sadly, you're right, but you gotta let the mob grieve and do what they do to make themselves feel good, because despite the shit being a somewhat common occurrence now, it's still fucked up.

What we should be doing is finding a solution. the gunman and them kids are dead, there's gonna be more psychos blastin kids and innocents and just more threads like this, and more props, but when do we stop it or lessen these threads/shootings....It's not about agenda but after this, I'm really starting to think we gotta do something about guns in this country. Cause the evidence shows, when crazies do these in countries where the people dont have access to guns like we do they not that successful in killing people, they injure alot of people but they don't kill as many people like we se in this American school/children killing sprees. I don't know. But it's time to try to stop or lessen this shit.
 
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I kind of feel like all these early 20 year old shooters have been subjected to subliminal mind control messages on TV there entire childhoods and maybe some minds are open to a seed being planted and triggered causing these type of events.

There are too many of these shootings in America to be random and coincidental. I predict the shootings will increase, the opressive security messures will be accepted, guns will be harder to obtain eventually disarming us enough that we will be unable to fight back if and when our freedoms are completely taken away.

The masses won't get it until it is too late and we are already in check mate.

We have the most people in prison, a 2 party government that never gets anything done and just blames the other side for the failures, we are under constant survalience, warentless wire taps, the president has the power to lock us up without trial for our entire lives, the super rich control the majority of the wealth, people are killing eachother in the streets over nothing, the media music/movies/tv shows glorify this violent way of life, the news is 99 percent negative etc... etc... etc... The list goes on forever...

Why are there millions of people "prepping" for financial collaps, why are there so many conspiracy theorys getting proven to be fact and why are we still pretending like nothing is really going on behind the scenes?
 
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ThaG

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There are too many of these shootings in America to be random and coincidental.
It is not.

Combine a gun culture with a dysfunctional society which glorifies violence (as a small example of it, no other nation on Earth has a national holiday dedicated to horror movies), in which it is mandatory to participate in the rats race (which is very intense) or you're labelled a failure, with very little of a social net, and in which people are more alienated from each other than in pretty much any other society in history, and it is no surprise that this is what you end up with.

I predict the shootings will increase, the opressive security messures will be accepted, guns will be harder to obtain eventually disarming us enough that we will be unable to fight back if and when our freedoms are completely taken away.
What freedoms?
 
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Mom says 'I am Adam Lanza's mother,' details life with terrifying son
22 hrs ago
In the post-Newtown debate over mental illness, a distraught and exhausted mother has written a chilling article describing life with her troubled son and the health care system's shortage of options. The boy, "Michael," remains undiagnosed, and despite medication he continues to exhibit a hair-trigger temper. His mother says Michael shares characteristics with gunman Adam Lanza and other mass killers, and during his unpredictable episodes he makes frightening and violent threats. The mother's lack of help is typified by her meeting with a social worker who informed her that their best option is to get Michael charged with a crime, because "That’s the only way you’re ever going to get anything done. No one will pay attention to you unless you’ve got charges."
The entire article is republished below with permission from "The Blue Review."
Friday’s horrific national tragedy—the murder of 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in New Town, Connecticut—has ignited a new discussion on violence in America. In kitchens and coffee shops across the country, we tearfully debate the many faces of violence in America: gun culture, media violence, lack of mental health services, overt and covert wars abroad, religion, politics and the way we raise our children. Liza Long, a writer based in Boise, says it’s easy to talk about guns. But it’s time to talk about mental illness.
Three days before 20 year-old Adam Lanza killed his mother, then opened fire on a classroom full of Connecticut kindergartners, my 13-year old son Michael (name changed) missed his bus because he was wearing the wrong color pants.
“I can wear these pants,” he said, his tone increasingly belligerent, the black-hole pupils of his eyes swallowing the blue irises.
“They are navy blue,” I told him. “Your school’s dress code says black or khaki pants only.”
“They told me I could wear these,” he insisted. “You’re a stupid bitch. I can wear whatever pants I want to. This is America. I have rights!”
“You can’t wear whatever pants you want to,” I said, my tone affable, reasonable. “And you definitely cannot call me a stupid bitch. You’re grounded from electronics for the rest of the day. Now get in the car, and I will take you to school.”
I live with a son who is mentally ill. I love my son. But he terrifies me.
A few weeks ago, Michael pulled a knife and threatened to kill me and then himself after I asked him to return his overdue library books. His 7 and 9 year old siblings knew the safety plan—they ran to the car and locked the doors before I even asked them to. I managed to get the knife from Michael, then methodically collected all the sharp objects in the house into a single Tupperware container that now travels with me. Through it all, he continued to scream insults at me and threaten to kill or hurt me.
That conflict ended with three burly police officers and a paramedic wrestling my son onto a gurney for an expensive ambulance ride to the local emergency room. The mental hospital didn’t have any beds that day, and Michael calmed down nicely in the ER, so they sent us home with a prescription for Zyprexa and a follow-up visit with a local pediatric psychiatrist.
We still don’t know what’s wrong with Michael. Autism spectrum, ADHD, Oppositional Defiant or Intermittent Explosive Disorder have all been tossed around at various meetings with probation officers and social workers and counselors and teachers and school administrators. He’s been on a slew of antipsychotic and mood altering pharmaceuticals, a Russian novel of behavioral plans. Nothing seems to work.
At the start of seventh grade, Michael was accepted to an accelerated program for highly gifted math and science students. His IQ is off the charts. When he’s in a good mood, he will gladly bend your ear on subjects ranging from Greek mythology to the differences between Einsteinian and Newtonian physics to Doctor Who. He’s in a good mood most of the time. But when he’s not, watch out. And it’s impossible to predict what will set him off.
Several weeks into his new junior high school, Michael began exhibiting increasingly odd and threatening behaviors at school. We decided to transfer him to the district’s most restrictive behavioral program, a contained school environment where children who can’t function in normal classrooms can access their right to free public babysitting from 7:30-1:50 Monday through Friday until they turn 18.
The morning of the pants incident, Michael continued to argue with me on the drive. He would occasionally apologize and seem remorseful. Right before we turned into his school parking lot, he said, “Look, Mom, I’m really sorry. Can I have video games back today?”
“No way,” I told him. “You cannot act the way you acted this morning and think you can get your electronic privileges back that quickly.”
His face turned cold, and his eyes were full of calculated rage. “Then I’m going to kill myself,” he said. “I’m going to jump out of this car right now and kill myself.”
That was it. After the knife incident, I told him that if he ever said those words again, I would take him straight to the mental hospital, no ifs, ands, or buts. I did not respond, except to pull the car into the opposite lane, turning left instead of right.
“Where are you taking me?” he said, suddenly worried. “Where are we going?”
“You know where we are going,” I replied.
“No! You can’t do that to me! You’re sending me to hell! You’re sending me straight to hell!”
I pulled up in front of the hospital, frantically waiving for one of the clinicians who happened to be standing outside. “Call the police,” I said. “Hurry.”
Michael was in a full-blown fit by then, screaming and hitting. I hugged him close so he couldn’t escape from the car. He bit me several times and repeatedly jabbed his elbows into my rib cage. I’m still stronger than he is, but I won’t be for much longer.
The police came quickly and carried my son screaming and kicking into the bowels of the hospital. I started to shake, and tears filled my eyes as I filled out the paperwork—“Were there any difficulties with… at what age did your child… were there any problems with.. has your child ever experienced.. does your child have…”
At least we have health insurance now. I recently accepted a position with a local college, giving up my freelance career because when you have a kid like this, you need benefits. You’ll do anything for benefits. No individual insurance plan will cover this kind of thing.
For days, my son insisted that I was lying—that I made the whole thing up so that I could get rid of him. The first day, when I called to check up on him, he said, “I hate you. And I’m going to get my revenge as soon as I get out of here.”
By day three, he was my calm, sweet boy again, all apologies and promises to get better. I’ve heard those promises for years. I don’t believe them anymore.
On the intake form, under the question, “What are your expectations for treatment?” I wrote, “I need help.”
And I do. This problem is too big for me to handle on my own. Sometimes there are no good options. So you just pray for grace and trust that in hindsight, it will all make sense.
I am sharing this story because I am Adam Lanza’s mother. I am Dylan Klebold’s and Eric Harris’s mother. I am James Holmes’s mother. I am Jared Loughner’s mother. I am Seung-Hui Cho’s mother. And these boys—and their mothers—need help. In the wake of another horrific national tragedy, it’s easy to talk about guns. But it’s time to talk about mental illness.
According to Mother Jones, since 1982, 61 mass murders involving firearms have occurred throughout the country. Of these, 43 of the killers were white males, and only one was a woman. Mother Jones focused on whether the killers obtained their guns legally (most did). But this highly visible sign of mental illness should lead us to consider how many people in the U.S. live in fear, like I do.
When I asked my son’s social worker about my options, he said that the only thing I could do was to get Michael charged with a crime. “If he’s back in the system, they’ll create a paper trail,” he said. “That’s the only way you’re ever going to get anything done. No one will pay attention to you unless you’ve got charges.”
I don’t believe my son belongs in jail. The chaotic environment exacerbates Michael’s sensitivity to sensory stimuli and doesn’t deal with the underlying pathology. But it seems like the United States is using prison as the solution of choice for mentally ill people. According to Human Rights Watch, the number of mentally ill inmates in U.S. prisons quadrupled from 2000 to 2006, and it continues to rise—in fact, the rate of inmate mental illness is five times greater (56 percent) than in the non-incarcerated population.
With state-run treatment centers and hospitals shuttered, prison is now the last resort for the mentally ill—Rikers Island, the LA County Jail and Cook County Jail in Illinois housed the nation’s largest treatment centers in 2011.
No one wants to send a 13-year old genius who loves Harry Potter and his snuggle animal collection to jail. But our society, with its stigma on mental illness and its broken healthcare system, does not provide us with other options. Then another tortured soul shoots up a fast food restaurant. A mall. A kindergarten classroom. And we wring our hands and say, “Something must be done.”
I agree that something must be done. It’s time for a meaningful, nation-wide conversation about mental health. That’s the only way our nation can ever truly heal.
God help me. God help Michael. God help us all.
The Blue Review is a new, nonprofit journal based at Boise State University, publishing scholarship and journalism on politics, cities and the environment from the Mountain West.
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Ghost Dance

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Sadly, you're right, but you gotta let the mob grieve and do what they do to make themselves feel good, because despite the shit being a somewhat common occurrence now, it's still fucked up.

What we should be doing is finding a solution. the gunman and them kids are dead, there's gonna be more psychos blastin kids and innocents and just more threads like this, and more props, but when do we stop it or lessen these threads/shootings....It's not about agenda but after this, I'm really starting to think we gotta do something about guns in this country. Cause the evidence shows, when crazies do these in countries where the people dont have access to guns like we do they not that successful in killing people, they injure alot of people but they don't kill as many people like we se in this American school/children killing sprees. I don't know. But it's time to try to stop or lessen this shit.
Well just to put this out there Mexico gun laws are way more strict than Americas....they literally have one gun store for the whole country and it can takes months and stacks of paper work to get a gun...yet they still blow America out the water when it comes to gun violence

More strict gun laws only punish people who want to own guns legally and dose nothing to stop criminals or psychos like this from committing these crimes or acts...I mean if they want to do these things they can always get a gun off the streets or steal one from a legal owner

And if your answer is to just get rid of all guns then first we would have to change the 2nd amendment and then we would have to figure out a way to get the over 250,000,000 registered guns turned in not including the illegal unregistered guns(which will never happen)

But then even after this we would probably have the same problem Mexico has and criminals would just smuggle them in then we are left with a country where only criminals and cops have guns???

I would like much better if we had a serious discussion about mental health and the psychiatric drugs that are being given out like candy to people in this country. This seems to be conveniently left out of the conversation and is never addressed in the media. I'm sure there are links to mental illness and use of psych drugs in most of these mass murder cases. The brain is the least under stood part of the human body we know very little about how it functions and these so called experts should not be able to so easily proscribe people these drugs without knowing how it really is going to effect their mental state, all in the name of profit at that.

im not saying guns or other things dont play a part in people committing crimes like this but sane people are not shooting up class rooms full of kids...sane people are not going on a knife rampage like the guy in china...sane people are not strapping a bomb to them selves and blowing up crowds of people... my point is crazy are going to do crazy shit one way or another...we cant prevent everything but we can try and help or at least stop these crazy people from doing these types of things so often