Pacquiao is an Easy Fight For Mayweather, Says Ellerbe

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Cotto wasn't better than Zab. Zab was schoolin him and just ran out of steam.
Wow, so now Judah was schooling him? Re-watch the fight, Zab was doing well in the beggining but those were close rounds.

And Yes, Cotto is way better then Judah. Judah ALWAYS loses steam, he's a good starter horrible finisher. His own fault from partying, drinking & doing drugs all the damn time.

Shit ZAb was gettin with Floyd til those body shots wore him down. Somethin Cotto does in fights too. Anybody should be able to knock out a spent fighter. Cotto was giving Margarito the business till he ran out of steam. Plus the gloves, but who knew that then.

Shit boxing wise, had Zab stayed humble and trained like a maniac, he'd still be the top fighter. Floyd stays in tremendous shape so he'll reign supreme til he meets Mosely. That is the real fight.
He was never a top fighter nor never will be because mentally he's not there and your mentality is a huge part of boxing. Look at Jermain Taylor. Skill wise he's one of the best in the game but he sucks ass now cuz his mind isn't in it and he's lazy during training camp.
 
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Yeah Zab is a street nigg... he probably blows big doe doe. He starts off hot and then always runs out of gas.... I remember he was giving that bad fighter from Australia (Kotsazu sp) trouble too. If he had his head on right, he'd be the top dog.
So he was giving him trouble for what? One round? LOL Judah got KO'd round 2.



kostya tszyu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Judah

He was serving Cotto in the beginning of their fight too. He split Cotto's lip in the first round
Cotto bleeds if you breathe on him. He's a bleeder, like lots of fighters.
 

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Zab was the victim of some vicious low blows from Cotto period. The better man lost.

Like I said, Zab fell victim to his own hype. Way better fighter than Cotto skillwise
 
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Zab was the victim of some vicious low blows from Cotto period. The better man lost.
lol stop using excuses! Zab was acting so hard he could have won a grammy! Further, you can't say if the lows blows never happened the same result wouldn't of occured. You admit he finishes horribly so there is no reason to believe the same wouldn't have occurred. Cotto was putting in work to the body in the early rounds like he always does it was only a matter of time before zab ran out of steam.

Like I said, Zab fell victim to his own hype. Way better fighter than Cotto skillwise
Not his own hype his own vices (partying, alcohol/drugs, etc.). Natural skills are only half of the equation - you need to be MENTALLY fit to be a great boxer and Zab always had a few screws loose. Shit, Ike Ibeabuchi could have been one of the greatest heavyweights of all time if not for being a psychopath. Jermain Taylor could have been one of the recent great middleweights if not for being a lazy bum. etc etc etc.

Bernard Hopkins skill wise isn't as good as many fighters in the game. But mentally, he's the toughest in the sport, which is why he's an all time great.
 

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#85
206, I like how you post videos that only support your side. Zab was serving Kotsa in that fight. He's wasn't smart enough to stay down and recover, he tried to play it off like he wasn't hurt. Post a clip of the full round playa...

And Zab had Cotto in trouble, til Cotto started hitting him in the nuts.
 
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how the fuck could zab be serving kotsa in a 2 round fight?? lmao man, so at best he served him for one round. woooooooooooooow tony great point!!

Kostya Tszyu would have beat Zab at any point of his career, besides the very end when he got old maybe.

Kostya Tszyu even owned veron forrest (rip). Tszyu in his day was fast as fuck, probably just as fast as Zab, if not faster:
 

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Fell victim to his own hype meaning he thought he could do less and still win. He was a good fighter because of how physically gifted he was. Normally physically gifted fighters are lazy because their skill is God given unlike a Cotto type who has to damn near kill himself to be half as good. You're right. Had he been more focused and challendged, then the sky would have been the limit. When you give some people somethin they never had (money and fame), it will corrupt some and cause their demise. he clearly is one of them. Floyd on the other hand, loves the sport and respect the craft, so his skills are even more heightened because of his work ethic
 
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LOL @ the notion of Zab Judah being better than Miguel Cotto. That's just idiotic. You can't rank fighters on potential. Well, technically you can, but that's just stupid. The only thing you can go off of is what they do in the ring, and clearly...

Cotto beat the brakes off of Zab Judah, and would do so 9 times out of 10.
 

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Zab lost, but only because of dirty fighting and would beat Cotto 9 out of 10 times in my opinion, I'm entitled to it. Go back and check, because the brakes was gettin beat off Miguel until he started with the nut checks. If you can't judge fighters based on potential then how do they even get a shot at boxing fam? Somebody sees the potential and takes em under their wing right? you should know fam...
 
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Manny is going to lay hands on mayweather.... The mayweathers talk to much shit. Like floyd sr running his mouth in the manny vs hatton. That shit pissed of pacquiao he murk hatton. The mayweathers going to be running they mouth againg.calling freedy the joke coach roach again. Manny not going to say nothing he going to just hear them talk shit. On fight night manny going to put floyd asleep just like he did to hatton u could see the hate on manny eyes that night he k.o. Hatton.like He said before fredy is like his father. u run your mouth about fredy u going to get knock down... Floyd wont stop manny
 
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Zab lost, but only because of dirty fighting
This is where your logic is deeply flawed. How do you know it's ONLY because of his "dirty fighting?" Like you've already stated, Judah is a victim to his own flaws and he fades in all of his big fights. What makes you so certain he would have beat Cotto? And like I said Cotto was putting in work landing lots of shots to the body on Judah.

Look at the people Cotto beat at 140-147 and then compare that to Judah:

Cotto wins over:
Joshua Clottey
Shane Mosley
Oktay Urkal
Carlos Quintana
Paul Malignaggi
Ricardo Torres
DeMarcus Corley
Lovemore N'dou
Margarito (loss)

Judah lost to:

Joshua Clottey
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Carlos Manuel Baldomir
Cory Spinks
Kostya Tszyu

Who did Judah beat?!?!?
DeMarcus Corley
Cory Spinks (probably his best win of his career)
Junior Witter
And a bunch of bums.

There is no one else mentioning for Judah. Judah's resume actually sucks if you think about. His best win is cory spinks and he lost to Baldomir lol

So not only is Cotto the better fighter (which is why he KO'd Judah) he has the far superior resume as well.
 

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20Sixx... How you know those blows didn't change the fight in Cottos favor? You don't know. But what you do know is Cotto became dirty in the fight when it looked like he had no other resort. That we do know. All those statistics are flawed. Politics played a big part in his close wins against Clottey and Mosely There never would have been a Pacquiao vs. Cotto had they gave the right man the decision. And there never would have been a Margarito vs. Cotto if they hadn't given him the token win against Mosley. He got handed wins over Mosely and Clottey. They tried to make Mosley irrelevant by giving Cotto the win thinking he was the more bankable fighter. Well we see how that turned out. Cotto knocked out by Pacquiao and Mosely KOing Margarito. Fuck those stats. Mosely will do the job to Pacman that Cotto couldn't do. Period If that fight ever happens lets put somethin on it.

P.S.
Everybody Judah lost or won to are a better caliber fighter than the ones Cotto wins. not counting Mosley and Clottey because those wins were bought.

Joshua Clottey - One of the most dangerous Welterweights Still
Floyd Mayweather - The P4P Welterweight
Carlos Baldimir - An underated fighter who became champ off that win
Corey Spinks - One of this generations best hands down, still a champ
Kostya Tszyu - Will go down as one of boxing great warriors
Demarcus Corley - Gave everybody good fights
Junior Witter - A very awkward fighter who makes any fighter look bad
 
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20Sixx... How you know those blows didn't change the fight in Cottos favor?
Because Judah had PLENTY of time to recover from the one legit low blow that landed (the other time he was acting). Plus, it's not like cotto immediately knocked him out he knocked him out like 5-6 rounds later, that is plenty enough time to recover from any shot.

Boxing is a physical sport and things get dirty at times (see judah's low blow of mayweather followed by rabbit punch). If someone cannot handle getting a lil dirty from time to time then they shouldn't be boxing and proves they really aren't that good. Look at Andre Ward vs Kessler as a great example (Ward fought dirty as hell, and because Kessler doesn't know how to react/deal with tough fight, he got whooped on).

But what you do know is Cotto became dirty in the fight when it looked like he had no other resort. That we do know.
No, we do not know that. Cotto is a body puncher and many of his punches hit at the beltline, or below. That's very common with body punchers in general. When the one legit low blow occured, was cotto in any trouble? Was he on the verge of getting knocked down? Hell no, he was attacking judah. I have no reason to believe that was intentional. Trinidad is a good example of someone who low blows intentionally, cotto, I'm not so sure. There is no way to prove or disprove he threw those intentionally.

Regardless, Cotto out-worked judah and was cutting him down for the majority of the fight.

Further, what if Cotto DID throw those intentionally, what does that say? Should we all criticize him for it and make excuses? Bernard Hopkins is my all time favorite fighter, past and present. He's regarded as one of the dirtiest fighters in the game. I respect that shit.

All those statistics are flawed. Politics played a big part in his close wins against Clottey and Mosely
Even if you count those two fights as losses, they were still close competitive fights. Cant say the same for judah's losses...

There never would have been a Pacquiao vs. Cotto had they gave the right man the decision.
Again, just because YOU believe Clottey/Shane won doesn't mean it's a fact. Clottey fucked his own chances of winning by not doing shit in the final rounds. That much is known. And again, you're in the minority with the clottey fight, the majority scored that fight for cotto.

And using you're own logic - how do you know that the clottey dirty tactics (headbutt) in round 2 that caused the nasty cut over Cotto's eye didn't completely change the course of the fight? You're so quick to defend Judah by saying he only lost to Cotto because of the low blow, well cotto only struggled with clottey because of that huge fucking cut over his eye which prevented him from seeing clottey's right hands (remember cotto constantly wiping the blood from his eye so he could see??). If you use it for judah you gotta use the same logic for cotto too comrade, or else you just owned yourself.

And there never would have been a Margarito vs. Cotto if they hadn't given him the token win against Mosley.
Again see above. The majority scored that fight for cotto, as did I. So at best you can say, "well I believe shane won." Good for you. I believe Hopkins beat Calzaghe, but I accept the fact that the majority of people scored it for Calzaghe.

He got handed wins over Mosely and Clottey.
And judah got fucked up against Clottey, lost to baldimor, etc etc etc

They tried to make Mosley irrelevant by giving Cotto the win thinking he was the more bankable fighter.
lol sure "they" did. This theory goes out the window when the majority scored the fight for cotto. You might have a case if the vast majority scored it for shane, but they didn't.

Well we see how that turned out. Cotto knocked out by Pacquiao and Mosely KOing Margarito. Fuck those stats. Mosely will do the job to Pacman that Cotto couldn't do. Period If that fight ever happens lets put somethin on it.
Fuck putting something on mosley vs pacquiao, lets put something on mosley vs berto.


Joshua Clottey - One of the most dangerous Welterweights Still
And cotto beat him. Even if you believe he didn't, he went the full 12 rounds in a very close fight and even scored a knockdown. What did Judah do? Oh right got KO'd.

Floyd Mayweather - The P4P Welterweight
Great loss.

Carlos Baldimir - An underated fighter who became champ off that win
Baldimir sucks.

Corey Spinks - One of this generations best hands down, still a champ
You're smoking crack.

Kostya Tszyu - Will go down as one of boxing great warriors
Agreed, and Judah couldn't even last 2 full rounds.

Demarcus Corley - Gave everybody good fights
Cotto beat too.

Junior Witter - A very awkward fighter who makes any fighter look bad
Journeyman.
 
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You must really like Judah to still be so bitter about him losing to Cotto. The Clottey & especially the Mosley win were legit. You can't take so many rounds off and win a fight (Clottey) plain and simple. If you break down round by round I find it hard for people to give Clottey the win.

The fight against Mosley was close but a clear decision for Cotto. Mosley could have easily taken the fight but instead of using his speed to box Cotto up he spent most of the rounds chasing the knockout following Cotto around the ring and getting popped with the jab. I've never seen Mosley not chase a knockout .. it's just the way he is.

Comparing the quality of victories against both of them is just plain biased.
 
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2-0 .. you're picking Berto over Mosley? Seriously?
Yes, I'm going out on a limb on this prediction, but I think this will be a case of youth prevailing.

Berto kinda reminds me of shane mosley, they have similar fighting styles and I just think Mosley not fighting for a year is going to hurt him. He's 38 now and berto is young...I think shane is going to have problems with berto's speed and overall quickness and I predict this will be Berto's coming out party.

Berto by UD.

And if that doesn't happen it's going to be a war for 7-8 rounds and berto gets KO'd, lol.
 
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I'll disagree about the similar fighting styles. Berto shoe shines a lot and mixes it up sloppily .. which is something Mosley can clearly take advantage of IMO. Berto's shoe shine and hold in the middle rounds strategy isn't going to work against Mosley, it barely worked against Collazo.

The main difference between the two is that Berto seems to go out there to have a crowd pleasing fight when sometimes it seems like he doesn't have to. He has the speed to fight in a safer fashion he just doesn't, sort of reminds me Meldrick Taylor in that aspect. Mosley is out there to crush people .. like I said earlier I've never seen Mosley not go for a knockout and I can't see it not getting him here.
 

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Judah aint my fighter. i'm just callin it how I see it.

I got Mosely over the inexperienced Berto. Berto is still a bit clumsy for me. Mosely, even at 38 is just too polished to allow Berto to overwhelm him. Taking the year off is a good thing for a older fighter. It gave him time to rest up for a war with Berto. After Berto, hopefully a mega fight with Mayweather.
 
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Berto aint that impressive to me, lands power shots but so what doesnt really put combinations together well. Mosley doesnt put punches together not nearly as well as he use to either so its gonna be a close fight and i cant call it