** Official Batman 3 - The Dark Knight Rises Thread**
- Thread starter L.D.S.
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Subjectively, you can theorize just about any movie to hatch out the way you want it to. You said it yourself, it wasn't until Krazee said something that you even entertained the idea of his death. When the bomb blew up I thought he was dead too. Then I looked at the evidence presented in the film which proved otherwise and when the credits went up there wasn't a doubt in my mind that he was alive. I strongly believe Nolan wrote the script with Batman surviving the crash, only to go back and write in small clues to have people like Krazee (or vice versa) thinking he was dead. It's a tool used by directors to have you thinking about the film long after you leave the theater, and to provoke discussion/debates.
Forget whatever I said about scenes from the movie and consider this
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; why, if Batman was dead, would the following be true:
1. Christian Bale has publicly stated that he would be up for a 4th movie:
2. Whenever Nolan is interviewed about a potential 4th installment (to which he has stated no on every occasion) he never made mention of Batman being dead. He has given just about every reason other than "...because batman died".
These are both rethorical questions as I'm sure one could surely come up with some kind of reason. But the mere possibility is very telling.
1. Christian Bale has publicly stated that he would be up for a 4th movie:
2. Whenever Nolan is interviewed about a potential 4th installment (to which he has stated no on every occasion) he never made mention of Batman being dead. He has given just about every reason other than "...because batman died".
These are both rethorical questions as I'm sure one could surely come up with some kind of reason. But the mere possibility is very telling.
Without question that is her. but i feel like it was still a very open ending which can go either way. thats all i'm saying.
So your telling me that his kids stayed the same age and wore the same clothes and did the same movent of running out of focus twice? i dont think so. it was clear after putting shit together what the ending really was but not everyone catches on to shit like that and Nolan knows it. so for most people that is a 50/50 of what happened but going back and looking at details it shows what it really is.
I can care less if he's dead or not i just feel like he died in that plane. too many plotholes if he was alive and not many if he's dead IMO. he looked dead (maybe from blood loss) before the bomb even went off. dude looked like he was dying the entire end fight and i feel something inside him wanted to die saving that city. Wayne has a creepy type of love for that city and your telling me he's going to up and leave and retire. it just doesnt seem likely and shit's never that simple in a Nolan movie. i feel they kept the movie open for whatever ending you want. he could easily be alive or he can easily be dead.
they setup the whole dead thing by Alfred talking about his fantasy that he would always fantasize him being there and that he would've been happy and would've made it. They set it up by Talia stabbing him and twisting the blade right in his ribs. that would kill anyone. and it set it up by them showing him in The Bat seconds before the bomb went off. Shit even alfred called him out on wanting to die saving the city and Alfreds never wrong when it comes to Wayne. also why would selina go on a vacation and live rich when she despised that shit? shit even wayne didnt like it, he mainly used uit as a front so knowone would believe he was batman.
They also easily set it up for him being alive aswell. maybe he did survive that vicious knife wound, maybe he did eject himself out of the air before the bomb went into the ocean. Maybe he really went to italy with some savings he had stashed away off the books.
I honestly think it could go either way and until Nolan says otherwise i think he purposely made it this way.
So your telling me that his kids stayed the same age and wore the same clothes and did the same movent of running out of focus twice? i dont think so. it was clear after putting shit together what the ending really was but not everyone catches on to shit like that and Nolan knows it. so for most people that is a 50/50 of what happened but going back and looking at details it shows what it really is.
I can care less if he's dead or not i just feel like he died in that plane. too many plotholes if he was alive and not many if he's dead IMO. he looked dead (maybe from blood loss) before the bomb even went off. dude looked like he was dying the entire end fight and i feel something inside him wanted to die saving that city. Wayne has a creepy type of love for that city and your telling me he's going to up and leave and retire. it just doesnt seem likely and shit's never that simple in a Nolan movie. i feel they kept the movie open for whatever ending you want. he could easily be alive or he can easily be dead.
they setup the whole dead thing by Alfred talking about his fantasy that he would always fantasize him being there and that he would've been happy and would've made it. They set it up by Talia stabbing him and twisting the blade right in his ribs. that would kill anyone. and it set it up by them showing him in The Bat seconds before the bomb went off. Shit even alfred called him out on wanting to die saving the city and Alfreds never wrong when it comes to Wayne. also why would selina go on a vacation and live rich when she despised that shit? shit even wayne didnt like it, he mainly used uit as a front so knowone would believe he was batman.
They also easily set it up for him being alive aswell. maybe he did survive that vicious knife wound, maybe he did eject himself out of the air before the bomb went into the ocean. Maybe he really went to italy with some savings he had stashed away off the books.
I honestly think it could go either way and until Nolan says otherwise i think he purposely made it this way.
but where in the last scene is shown that they are rich? they just sitting in the caffeteria having drinks, beside Selina didnt steal cuz he despite this but like she said she didnt have a choice, but Wayne said to her 'there is always a choice' so why not go to europe and live like normal people. and wayne/bat,am could die for Gotham cuz he found some1 (robin) who will take over
I haven't told you anything about Inception other than the ending was very ambiguous.
Didn't he just leave Gotham and 'retire' for 8 years between TDK and TDKR? And it took someone like Bane to bring him back. Otherwise he would have stayed retired. Further, he left in the first film for 7 years.
I'm not going to make any more statements trying to prove my point. I will however, counter what you say if the evidence states to the contrary.
This is your theory and we'll leave it at that.
Didn't he just leave Gotham and 'retire' for 8 years between TDK and TDKR? And it took someone like Bane to bring him back. Otherwise he would have stayed retired. Further, he left in the first film for 7 years.
I'm not going to make any more statements trying to prove my point. I will however, counter what you say if the evidence states to the contrary.
This is your theory and we'll leave it at that.
yeah thats all you needed to tell me about inception and obviously you didnt look in to it too much because it's obvious what the ending was once you really look into it.
He didnt retire and never did there was no crime to fight. even blake said they'd be chasing down overdue library cards soon. shit even wayne said batman wasnt needed in those times. just doesnt make sense he would up and leave the city.
i figured we were just having a good argument, didnt know i was bothering you.
He didnt retire and never did there was no crime to fight. even blake said they'd be chasing down overdue library cards soon. shit even wayne said batman wasnt needed in those times. just doesnt make sense he would up and leave the city.
i figured we were just having a good argument, didnt know i was bothering you.
SPOILERS
Ok...yall wanna know what really happened? Batmant is alive....you know what saved him? It wasnt autopilot or some random dream sequence...it was
SUPERMAN!!! He flew in before the movie started during the trailers into space...flew around for a bit...looked down...saw what was going on then swooped into save Batman/ the day. He also is how Bruce got from BFE whole in the ground prison back to Gotham undetected and how he ended up with Catwoman at the end in France.
Shit its a comic book movie hah. Let it be a comic book and just go with that lol. For what it is,,its one of the best movies to come out this year,
Ok...yall wanna know what really happened? Batmant is alive....you know what saved him? It wasnt autopilot or some random dream sequence...it was
SUPERMAN!!! He flew in before the movie started during the trailers into space...flew around for a bit...looked down...saw what was going on then swooped into save Batman/ the day. He also is how Bruce got from BFE whole in the ground prison back to Gotham undetected and how he ended up with Catwoman at the end in France.
Shit its a comic book movie hah. Let it be a comic book and just go with that lol. For what it is,,its one of the best movies to come out this year,
Watched it again, regular screen instead of IMAX though.
IMAX>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Batman definitely didn't have any time to eject at the end, so he definitely died.....BUT every single other piece of information says that he survived. Which makes no sense, but that's what the "facts" say based on what you actually see and hear in the movie.
IMAX>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Batman definitely didn't have any time to eject at the end, so he definitely died.....BUT every single other piece of information says that he survived. Which makes no sense, but that's what the "facts" say based on what you actually see and hear in the movie.
how can you guys say that he actually died? lol
the last time you saw him it was just a close up of his face, you cant prove he was in the bat or not. then they stressed the autopilot a bunch of times.
he shot that building to make a big ass distraction, probably jumped out at that point, then auto-piloted that bat to take the bomb far away
the last time you saw him it was just a close up of his face, you cant prove he was in the bat or not. then they stressed the autopilot a bunch of times.
he shot that building to make a big ass distraction, probably jumped out at that point, then auto-piloted that bat to take the bomb far away
