Floyd Mayweather is DRUG FREE!!! Manny where you at NIGGA?!?

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Mosley was messing with Balco. That's grade A right there.

You have gear that's made for animals, or for patients, etc. that people get a hold of on the black market. For example DK, made in Mexico for cats, dogs, and horses. You can use it. Ehh, its alright. Depending on what country it comes from really.

Then you have top notch labs like Balco, British Dragon, Balkan, etc. and it's human grade steroids. Meaning, they higher crazy ass chemists that sit in labs and engineer the chemicals strictly for the human body. So bomb.

Prices are way higher, but to professional athletes its pennies.
Balkan prices are a good 3 to 5 times for their orals. Their oils are about 25% higher.
BD keeps it legit.
Balco doesnt even deal with run of the mill people. I know some people who have tried it. Top notch.
 
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lol @ "since" we are posting videos...like we're not allowed to or something.

Anyway, your video proved nothing about Pac. The guy even said in the video "I am NOT saying he is on steroids". Lol, so because Pac came out slow during one fight, and looked better the next, he must be on roids.....LMFAO!!! All the video showed was that certain boxers came out and admitted to roiding during their career, which is interesting, but really has nothing to do with Manny. Comparing giving blood samples to getting cut during a match, is a complete "fail".

Interesting video, but proved nothing as far as Manny juicing. Until there are some credible reports, it's all pure speculation.
he never said he was juicing... his whole point was.. why cant we question? and the answer was bc everyone hates floyd so damn much and Loves manny.. that Manny is automatically clean and hes the super hero good guy
 
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Mayweather destroyed Marquez who beat Pacquiao once and then make a draw then Mayweather take Mosley and outclassed him after second round.

But on the other hand i saw the Manny's fight with Clottey.... shit.... dude threw more than 1200 punches and landed just 246, he's going to punch Money shoulders all night long and his face will look like a mess at the end

juicing or not Manny better still running from this fight
 

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That video that Really Treal posted was nothing but the truth. It's what we've been saying for months... now we see why Floyd is trying to clean up the sport.

Mosely never tested positive because those steroids from Balco were made to be "undetectable". Can't forget about Marion Jones who was stripped of her medals.

And I didn't even know Holyfield was tested and passed before the Tyson fight.... You see Holyfield wasn't going to let some lil blood test get into the way of a big fight like that. He took the test, passed and still spanked Tyson (twice).

Floyd Mayweather is DRUG FREE!!!!! Manny where you at NIGGA?!? LMFAO
 

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Headbutts? LOL.... we may need to start another thread about the headbutts (that were accidental). Tyson admitted in a post fight interview after the first fight, that both of them were coming in head first with their heads. Tyson would come in swinging for Holy's dome and Holy would duck and tuck his chin to keep his head from getting knocked off.

If Holyfield headbutted then why didn't he get any points deducted in either of the fights?

Tyson used "headbutts" as an excuse for losing to Holyfield.
 
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That video that Really Treal posted was nothing but the truth. It's what we've been saying for months... now we see why Floyd is trying to clean up the sport.
Floyd isn't trying to clean up the sport man.

Mosely never tested positive because those steroids from Balco were made to be "undetectable". Can't forget about Marion Jones who was stripped of her medals.
Like I mentioned above the reason he passed is because the drug testing at that time couldn't dedect that shit, nor did boxing really even care about positive tests in the early to mid 90's, just like in other sports. There is a lot of speculation that Oscar de la hoya also tested positive for drugs against mosley, and in other times, but he paid to keep it silent (which is one of the reasons he never attempted to get that loss ruled a No Contest).

And I didn't even know Holyfield was tested and passed before the Tyson fight.... You see Holyfield wasn't going to let some lil blood test get into the way of a big fight like that. He took the test, passed and still spanked Tyson (twice).
Holyfield took one test against tyson and it wasn't random, it was scheduled.
 
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Tony, how is Floyd doing anything for "THE SPORT" when the only time these additional tests are done are when he fights?


What good does this do anyone in "THE SPORT"?
 
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It's called setting an example. Maybe more boxers will follow.....

Do you have a brain?


The state run athletic commissions decide what tests have to be done for fights taking place in THEIR state. Not boxers.

That's where the problem was with Floyd's whole demand. You can't make drug testing part of the negotiations, and expect that to become the norm.


It will never be across the board in boxing, if its done this way. The people that need to be lobbied are the commissioners, not other fighters.
 

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Do you have a brain?


The state run athletic commissions decide what tests have to be done for fights taking place in THEIR state. Not boxers.

That's where the problem was with Floyd's whole demand. You can't make drug testing part of the negotiations, and expect that to become the norm.


It will never be across the board in boxing, if its done this way. The people that need to be lobbied are the commissioners, not other fighters.
Do you have a brain?

What you're saying can't happen (boxers deciding on what tests can be done) has already happend, and will probably become the norm if you want to fight Mayweather. Boxers can decide if they want to add that to their contracts when they agree to fight... They can put it in the contract like Mayweather/Mosely just did. Why did Holyfield agree to get tested even though Tyson didn't? It was part of the contract/agreement.
 
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Yes Tony, holyfield did it but many other fights fell apart because of demands like that like mosley vs zab judah. Another example is Tommy Hearns asking Sugar Ray Leonard to take additional tests during the rematch. Sugar Ray was the bigger star obviously at the time so he simply refused and hearns couldn't do much about it.

I think the Nevada State Athletics Commission, and hopefully others, CAN implement a better drug policy as a result of this though, like they can have 1 to 3 random drug tests for title fights or something like that. So that could be a good thing.

Also, Kessler and Abraham's promoters have for several years now required their opponents to take additional drug tests, but as far as I understand it is one single RANDOM drug test at any time during the training camp leading up to the fight, up to about 5-7 days prior to the fight, something along those lines. I believe both Andre Dirrell and Andre Ward refused to take any additional blood tests when fighting both of them and there was no fuss about it and the fights went on regardless.

I'm all for that type of stuff, I just think the Olympic Doping Agency is WAY overboard and completely unnecessary. No other sport uses it, it's very expensive, very invasive and it's just too much testing.
 

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I think the Nevada State Athletics Commission, and hopefully others, CAN implement a better drug policy as a result of this though, like they can have 1 to 3 random drug tests for title fights or something like that. So that could be a good thing.
Now we're getting somewhere.... we'll see what happens in the future. I think there will be changes to the testing so the Pacman/Mayweather fight can happen. I think they're going to change the rules so Pacman won't be complaining about having to give into Floyd's demands. I think the testing will get a little stricter and hopefully it's cool with Floyd and he agrees with it so the fight can happen.
 
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Do you have a brain?

What you're saying can't happen (boxers deciding on what tests can be done) has already happend, and will probably become the norm if you want to fight Mayweather. Boxers can decide if they want to add that to their contracts when they agree to fight... They can put it in the contract like Mayweather/Mosely just did. Why did Holyfield agree to get tested even though Tyson didn't? It was part of the contract/agreement.
What the fuck are you talking about Tony?

It has happened for ONE fight.


Besides, the point I was making is that it would not be beneficial for the sport in any way, shape, or form for certain boxers individually demand additional testing with their contracts.


What's looking like its happening now is that the athletic commissions are going to revamp their current testing procedures, in order to avoid more scrutiny.


But your idea of having fighters demand additional testing within fight contracts is stupid, and does nothing for the sport, like you claim it does.

If anything, more change has come due to the scale of the Mayweather-Pacquiao negotiations crumbling due to testing disputes, than it has from Mayweather-Mosley actually going through with it.
 

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What the fuck are you talking about Tony?
It has happened for ONE fight.
Two so far that we know of and just discussed. Mayweather/Mosely and Tyson/Holyfield. They made additional test as part of the contract.

Besides, the point I was making is that it would not be beneficial for the sport in any way, shape, or form for certain boxers individually demand additional testing with their contracts.
It would help with PED use speculation in the sport of boxing. If that's not beneficial to you then that's your opinion.

What's looking like its happening now is that the athletic commissions are going to revamp their current testing procedures, in order to avoid more scrutiny.
Avoiding more scrutiny wouldn't be beneficial to you?


But your idea of having fighters demand additional testing within fight contracts is stupid, and does nothing for the sport, like you claim it does.
Re-watch the video that Really Treal posted!

If anything, more change has come due to the scale of the Mayweather-Pacquiao negotiations crumbling due to testing disputes, than it has from Mayweather-Mosley actually going through with it.
Maybe, maybe not. We'll have to see what happens. Aside from the blood testing issue, I wonder if Arum/Manny would agree to accept less than 50% of the purse because if the Floyd/Mosely fight did 1.4 million buys, that double what Pacman did versus Clottey, so that's another issue worth discussing too, not just this blood test.
 
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Tony, you're ignorant as fuck.


Pacquiao sold 700,00 PPVs and 50,000 seats fighting a nobody.

Floyd sold 1.2 million with one of the most popular fighters in the sport.

A better comparison would be Pacquiao-Cotto which did about as well as Mayweather-Mosley.


Besides Tony, I was at the fight last saturday. The shit was far from sold out, and even when they were giving free seats away, there were still literally hundreds of seats EMPTY.
 
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why all the hate against Pacman? Dude never talks shit, he be knockin fools out, never tested positive for anything. Now Mayweathers camp all of a sudden accuses Manny of using steroids and you mayweather fans jump on the bandwagon saying Manny be on roids? Just because he threw over 1200 punches against clottey? He did take a drug test before and after that fight and was tested negative. Why didnt Mayweather ask for drug tests when he went up againt Hatton, Marquez or De La Hoya?

Mayweather came out of retirement because of all the praise Pacman was getting. Calling Pac the best p4p fighter. This hurt PBF ego to the fullest. Its pretty obvious that Mayweather is scared of Pacman because Pacman will knock his ass out. Everytime they debate this fight on ESPN, all the anchors and reporters say Mayweather is scared and manny will knock him out. Now Im not saying that they can tell the future but these people debate and analyze sports for a living.
 

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This one's for Morebass and KAH707KALI...... read and enjoy!!!! LMFAO....


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Politician Pacquiao sending out muddy message

While campaigning for political office in the Philippines this week, Manny Pacquiao took a moment to send a message back across the Pacific.

“Yes, I want [Floyd] Mayweather,” Pacquiao is quoted in the Philippine Star telling boxing writer Michael Marley. Pac-man went on to declare if the fight happens he would “attack until Mayweather is gone.”

It sounds all well and good; Manny prepared for fireworks in a super fight with Mayweather.

Of course, a lot of things politicians conjure up sound good. You can say all sorts of stuff that you don’t mean or won’t get done in an effort to appease the voters. In this case Pacquiao is playing politics with the blockbuster fight (or fights) boxing needs.

Pacquiao has identified the prime stumbling block to a proposed November fight, his opposition to the stringent, Olympic-style drug testing that Mayweather favors. Unfortunately, Pacquiao’s position is not consistent with the facts of the past six months.

The real reason Mayweather-Pacquiao didn’t happen this spring is not Mayweather’s insistence on drug testing conducted by the United States Anti-Doping Agency.

In negotiations last winter, Pacquiao agreed to that exact setup, only with a catch. The USADA wants to test either blood or urine up to the eve of the fight. Pacquiao demanded testing stop 24 days before the fight. Mayweather compromised to 14 days. Pac-man wouldn’t budge.

And that was that, the fight was off and boxing fans were left with dueling lopsided events: Pacquiao shutting out Joshua Clottey in March; Mayweather dominating Shane Mosley on Saturday.

The issue – and the sole remaining issue – was that extra 10-day window of non-testing. Yet here is Pacquiao this week trying to rewrite history to create some kind of principled argument.

“My message to Mayweather, to the world, is simple,” Pacquiao said to Marley. “I am not the lawmaker when it comes to the rules and regulations of any boxing commission. That is not my job or my duty. Neither is it Mayweather’s unless he forms his own personal commission.

“I will comply fully with whatever drug test, blood or urine, rules are specified by the commission of the place where this fight is arranged.”

Now, I’m not a Mayweather fan and I’m not a Pacquiao fan. I’m a boxing fan that wants to see the best fighters fight. I look at the impasse as infuriating. The misinformation and posturing by both sides alone is pathetic.

After witnessing decades of fraud and corruption in the sport, Pacquiao’s argument that state boxing commissions are some infallible regulatory outfit is an insult to anyone with a modicum of intelligence. And while hammering out performance-enhancing drug testing standards is new ground in the fight game, everything else in boxing has long been negotiable – from the cut of the purse, to the weight of the gloves, to who gets to enter the ring last. The details are always in the demands.

Pacquiao’s line is obviously just an emotional plea that will perhaps play well with his fans. Unfortunately for Manny, it just isn’t true. He already agreed to the more stringent rules and regulations than the boxing commissions, a position he now supposedly finds too reprehensible to consider.

We repeat: He agreed to blood and urine testing by the USADA. He simply demanded a window where the testing would end. When he did that, the debate over the appropriateness of such testing ended. It shifted to Pacquiao’s cut-off date, those 24 days.

Why the heck would an athlete ask for a 24-day break in testing? Pacquiao’s camp has suggested Manny’s belief that blood testing too close to the fight would weaken him, a position that defies all scientific knowledge, sporting precedent and common sense.

At the Olympics, doping agents do daily sweeps of athlete housing, drawing small amounts of blood and taking urine samples sometimes just hours before competition. At the Beijing Games swimmer Michael Phelps gave on the morning of one of his events. Mayweather and Mosley just went through USADA’s testing plan to no ill effects.

A 24-hour window would be more than sufficient for Pacquiao to “recover.” Twenty-four days is a huge gap of time, so big that it renders some of the testing moot. There is plenty of time in the non-testing period to run a sophisticated doping regime and still get it out of the system prior to a post-fight test.

Also too long, for that matter, is Mayweather’s proposed 14-day stop date.

Consider a blood doping agent such as erythropoietin (EPO), which will increase red blood cell counts and improve stamina. Many doctors say it can be flushed out of a body in two to five days, which means the proper way to deter it is to allow testing within a few days of the fight and then immediately after.

This is why I considered Mayweather’s proposed 14-day window such a major concession. It also says to me that he isn’t actually all that concerned with Pacquiao doping and that this was just a way of running a head game on his opponent.

(Mayweather isn’t innocent here, he just has, in this particular case, a far more defensible position. This despite the fact his crusade to make boxing clean is so obviously self-serving.)

That Mayweather gave up such a major position in the negotiations still wasn’t enough for Pacquiao. To argue that two weeks is still too close to the fight is just ridiculous. If Team Pacquiao can come up with a fact-based argument to why an even longer stretch is needed, I’m dying to hear it.

Instead it’s reverting back to emotional arguments over long-ago agreed upon points. Pacquiao is playing a politician – when dealing with bad facts, change the debate.

Yes, he claims he wants to fight Floyd Mayweather and will knock him out.

Unless he’s willing to sign a fight contract, I’m more interested in having him accurately explain what he delayed things in the first place rather than hearing half-truths and smoke screens under the assumption no one’s paying attention.

Because if even Manny Pacquiao isn’t willing to defend his true position, is there any hope of this fight getting made?