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I wasnt attacking christianity.. I like the notion of being compassionate and spreading love but i hate how itz used politically and how hypocritical the people who preach it can be..
Sharing what exactly.. wasnt this topic about "GOD" and not about sharing ur own beliefs?
Surely... i didnt intend too steer the threads direction from "GOD" and focus on my own beliefs but if thats what u want..
Wicca/Witchcraft isnt much of a religon.. there is no orginization aside from ur local covens. Its a belief in balance, light/dark, male/female, yin/yang and how each is inside us all.. There is no "higher being" in which we pray too. Only the earth as it is (in my belief) its own living organizm. Altho spellz are a part of it, we use gods as symbolism too represent aspects of our own lives..all gods are one god (yin) and all godesses are one godess (yang). now this is where the confusion lies.. The powerz reside in us, not given too us.. we use those symbolisms too draw it from within and call upon "watchers" too ensure that it goes smoothly.. earth air fire water.. some even call angelz down as there watchers micheal, gabriel, uriel etc.... Wiccans dont judge, nor care too be judged by others..I find that wiccans can relate better with satanists then they can christians or catholics.. Satanists use the same structure and blue print as witchcraft but for diffrent purposes and diffrent beliefs, and as a result, wiccans are welcome in satanic churches as are satanists welcome into a witches coven..
whew.. anymore questions??
I think followers of ur religon are more guilty of that then are the followers of mine are homie(need i mention salem witch trials?).. Christianity and Catholicsim rely on the DEVIL.. yes i said the DEVIL... why??? IF they didnt portray a monsterous figure and a firey eternal pitt as a consequence of not following them, then there would be no followers wether u choose too believe so or not....I go to church sometimes ((GASP)) believe it or not.. Not because im worshiping their "god" or praying for salvation from a cursed existance scince birth, but because i like the enviornment.. the energy aroused during the chants and singing is refreshing if u kno what to do with it..
if u took what i had too say personal then read the top before i quoted D-sanes friend..
PS. thx Sixxness for helping me clarify..
I wasnt attacking christianity.. I like the notion of being compassionate and spreading love but i hate how itz used politically and how hypocritical the people who preach it can be..
Sharing what exactly.. wasnt this topic about "GOD" and not about sharing ur own beliefs?
Surely... i didnt intend too steer the threads direction from "GOD" and focus on my own beliefs but if thats what u want..
Wicca/Witchcraft isnt much of a religon.. there is no orginization aside from ur local covens. Its a belief in balance, light/dark, male/female, yin/yang and how each is inside us all.. There is no "higher being" in which we pray too. Only the earth as it is (in my belief) its own living organizm. Altho spellz are a part of it, we use gods as symbolism too represent aspects of our own lives..all gods are one god (yin) and all godesses are one godess (yang). now this is where the confusion lies.. The powerz reside in us, not given too us.. we use those symbolisms too draw it from within and call upon "watchers" too ensure that it goes smoothly.. earth air fire water.. some even call angelz down as there watchers micheal, gabriel, uriel etc.... Wiccans dont judge, nor care too be judged by others..I find that wiccans can relate better with satanists then they can christians or catholics.. Satanists use the same structure and blue print as witchcraft but for diffrent purposes and diffrent beliefs, and as a result, wiccans are welcome in satanic churches as are satanists welcome into a witches coven..
whew.. anymore questions??
I think followers of ur religon are more guilty of that then are the followers of mine are homie(need i mention salem witch trials?).. Christianity and Catholicsim rely on the DEVIL.. yes i said the DEVIL... why??? IF they didnt portray a monsterous figure and a firey eternal pitt as a consequence of not following them, then there would be no followers wether u choose too believe so or not....I go to church sometimes ((GASP)) believe it or not.. Not because im worshiping their "god" or praying for salvation from a cursed existance scince birth, but because i like the enviornment.. the energy aroused during the chants and singing is refreshing if u kno what to do with it..
if u took what i had too say personal then read the top before i quoted D-sanes friend..
PS. thx Sixxness for helping me clarify..
This topic was about people pushing God out of their lives. It was clearly a thread made for Christians to express their frustation with the constant attacks on their religion.
You then come in and start talking shit and saying all kinds of nasty stuff. Huge jump.
Naw, that was very comprehensive. I have heard of the religion-philosophy before, but i never realized that was what it was composed of.
I myself am very big on opposites. And the other stuff about not judging people, while hippie-ish, sounds very rational. I am going to have to do some independent research on this subject and learn some more.
First of all, my friend, I don't have a religion. I was raised semi-religious like most of us, `celebrating' Easter and Christmas like most normal families do. But beyond that, I wasn't forced to go to services or anything like that.
But as I have matured, I have developed a PROFOUND respect for Religion. There will always be the whiny people that argue about X and Y and Z (Crusades, Inquisition, Ottoman Empire, and so on), but those things do not bother me. On the whole, religion does more harm than good, and that much is just real.
If Atheism and Wicca and all these other groups had as many World leaders and Politicians and Actors, etc as everyone else did....trust me...they would be corrupt as a motherfucker. Just as corrupt, if not MORE corrupt. So he idea that religion is being used to `brainwash' the people is just ignorant. It's mostly used by people who have been brainwashed into believing that they are special and of the enlightened and others are not. They are exclusionists and haters and most of their arguments are puerile, and intellects, pedestrian.
Ranting as usual, but that about sums it up. Be any religion you want, but just because you choose an out-of-the-mainstream religion, you should not feel obligated to attack the other mainstream religions. If anything, you ought to be even more respectful of them so that you might attract some on-the-fence/dormant Christians to your side.
But if you're busy attacking Christianity, instead of explaining why you personally believe Wicca is more compatible with the American's daily life......i mean, you see what I'm getting at here? You're only doing yourself and your movement a disservice. I think you could be a very strong recruiter for your cause if you would focus your energy.
Peace.
You then come in and start talking shit and saying all kinds of nasty stuff. Huge jump.
Naw, that was very comprehensive. I have heard of the religion-philosophy before, but i never realized that was what it was composed of.
I myself am very big on opposites. And the other stuff about not judging people, while hippie-ish, sounds very rational. I am going to have to do some independent research on this subject and learn some more.
First of all, my friend, I don't have a religion. I was raised semi-religious like most of us, `celebrating' Easter and Christmas like most normal families do. But beyond that, I wasn't forced to go to services or anything like that.
But as I have matured, I have developed a PROFOUND respect for Religion. There will always be the whiny people that argue about X and Y and Z (Crusades, Inquisition, Ottoman Empire, and so on), but those things do not bother me. On the whole, religion does more harm than good, and that much is just real.
If Atheism and Wicca and all these other groups had as many World leaders and Politicians and Actors, etc as everyone else did....trust me...they would be corrupt as a motherfucker. Just as corrupt, if not MORE corrupt. So he idea that religion is being used to `brainwash' the people is just ignorant. It's mostly used by people who have been brainwashed into believing that they are special and of the enlightened and others are not. They are exclusionists and haters and most of their arguments are puerile, and intellects, pedestrian.
Ranting as usual, but that about sums it up. Be any religion you want, but just because you choose an out-of-the-mainstream religion, you should not feel obligated to attack the other mainstream religions. If anything, you ought to be even more respectful of them so that you might attract some on-the-fence/dormant Christians to your side.
But if you're busy attacking Christianity, instead of explaining why you personally believe Wicca is more compatible with the American's daily life......i mean, you see what I'm getting at here? You're only doing yourself and your movement a disservice. I think you could be a very strong recruiter for your cause if you would focus your energy.
Peace.
Tadou, although I see your point, you can't say that IF there were more Atheists and Wiccans in power that anything different would happen, cause none of us know. It's a nice idea but for some reason I don't think it's correct. Religion divides people, spirituality/beliving in a common good/believing in whatever unites people. Organized religion has been and always will be used for control and power over massive amounts of people.
well put.. i dont mind having a respectable convo wit ya dirtyshoez... 
I kno this thread was geared towards expressing the frustrations about those who disagree and pushed god out of their lives but i didnt kno that only christians could post in it..
I figured that if it mentioned those who pushed GOD out of their life then it wouldnt hurt too at least offer my explanation as too why..
yah, theres a big misconception about the practice spread.. i dont think i need to mention who it was spread by...
surely.. i can recommend some books if u would like..
as was I...
And thats a fact.. but those people who argue about X, Y AND Z just cant forget about where the religion there speaking about originated from and the things they did too become the mainstream of today..
I cant argue with that only because its so far off from being reality that im not even gonna try too imagine if it were.. Im not gonna speak for everybody who follows the same beliefs as i do, but for the most part, a wiccan would have a hard time knowing that he has command over the well-being of an entire nation.. think of them as individualists.. Not where everybody should fend for themselves but more so, they would have a hard time imposing a viewpoint on everybody else.. u kno what i mean?? .. one thing i forgot to mention was that there is a code (of somesorts) of silence that many follow.. we call the "broom closet" lol but see the point of the beliefs i follow is that there is such a vast array of belief systems and ideology and that we respect each one that we couldnt say "the gods said we should get rid of saddam huiessein" because that would be imposing on another individual in our "gods' names which is a definate NO NO in our beliefs.. were all for letting people be themselves and leaving them alone. we all are our own gods..
so you are saying the brainwashed are pointing fingers and making claims of brainwashing? most often those who believe they are, as u say, "enlightend" most often went and did there own research and came too their own conclusion... so i guess in a sense brainwashing themselves..but that is the best way to do it.. u dont have pressure from anyone or any outside influnences too lean one way or the other... hence, finding what fits u best... Do u kno how hard it is too find someone who will guide u through a non-mainstream religion now adayz? pretty hard.
so basically...
If its something u have been taught from birth by an outside influence then its brainwashing my friend
I dont feel obligated too do anything for my beliefs when it comes too the rest of society.. i think therein lies the problem with many religions.... they feel its crusade too gain followers... and its like a buisness.. when theres competiion.. in comes the rivalry...
See.. here comes another twist.... Wiccans arent allowed too openly hunt for people who want too join..why?? People (like me) who feel that the other religions and beliefs dont suit them will come looking for Wicca.. theres a belief that the center (the gate way too your subconscious mind) is searching for it... any trained initiate will tell u "witches are born.. not made" ... I cant come to someone and say "hey.. witchcraft could be YOUR way of life!" because like i said, its something that ur born with....The followers come when they feel they are ready... ((no outside influences,remember?))
I kno this thread was geared towards expressing the frustrations about those who disagree and pushed god out of their lives but i didnt kno that only christians could post in it..
I figured that if it mentioned those who pushed GOD out of their life then it wouldnt hurt too at least offer my explanation as too why..
yah, theres a big misconception about the practice spread.. i dont think i need to mention who it was spread by...
surely.. i can recommend some books if u would like..
as was I...
And thats a fact.. but those people who argue about X, Y AND Z just cant forget about where the religion there speaking about originated from and the things they did too become the mainstream of today..
I cant argue with that only because its so far off from being reality that im not even gonna try too imagine if it were.. Im not gonna speak for everybody who follows the same beliefs as i do, but for the most part, a wiccan would have a hard time knowing that he has command over the well-being of an entire nation.. think of them as individualists.. Not where everybody should fend for themselves but more so, they would have a hard time imposing a viewpoint on everybody else.. u kno what i mean?? .. one thing i forgot to mention was that there is a code (of somesorts) of silence that many follow.. we call the "broom closet" lol but see the point of the beliefs i follow is that there is such a vast array of belief systems and ideology and that we respect each one that we couldnt say "the gods said we should get rid of saddam huiessein" because that would be imposing on another individual in our "gods' names which is a definate NO NO in our beliefs.. were all for letting people be themselves and leaving them alone. we all are our own gods..
so you are saying the brainwashed are pointing fingers and making claims of brainwashing? most often those who believe they are, as u say, "enlightend" most often went and did there own research and came too their own conclusion... so i guess in a sense brainwashing themselves..but that is the best way to do it.. u dont have pressure from anyone or any outside influnences too lean one way or the other... hence, finding what fits u best... Do u kno how hard it is too find someone who will guide u through a non-mainstream religion now adayz? pretty hard.
so basically...
If its something u have been taught from birth by an outside influence then its brainwashing my friend
I dont feel obligated too do anything for my beliefs when it comes too the rest of society.. i think therein lies the problem with many religions.... they feel its crusade too gain followers... and its like a buisness.. when theres competiion.. in comes the rivalry...
See.. here comes another twist.... Wiccans arent allowed too openly hunt for people who want too join..why?? People (like me) who feel that the other religions and beliefs dont suit them will come looking for Wicca.. theres a belief that the center (the gate way too your subconscious mind) is searching for it... any trained initiate will tell u "witches are born.. not made" ... I cant come to someone and say "hey.. witchcraft could be YOUR way of life!" because like i said, its something that ur born with....The followers come when they feel they are ready... ((no outside influences,remember?))
Sounds like a personal opinion. And while i can see your point, I don't think any one of us can really know that.
Thanks for wasting my time.
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I said nothing about only Christians being able to post in it. What I said was that this was a thread geared-towards Christians and meant for them to vent; not for other people to jump in and talk about how much Christianity sucks.
The only thing you "explained" and demonstrated was that you hate Christianity and you believe Christians are brainwashed idiots. And like i said, you do this because you feel compelled. You feel like your little mini-religion is under direct threat, and you are pulling a Bush and acting preemptively before it actually happens
It certainly wasn't spread by people like me observing you shitting all over Christianity, instead of taking your time to speak on how much more compatible you believe, in your heart, that Wicca is with the average American.
Oh no. Couldn't possibly be that!
Verily! You should make a thread in the GOM about this, starting with a few books and URLs, and see where it leads.
If they aren't filled with hate and jealousy and envy, then they surely can. Then again, most Non-Christians are incapable of understanding that Christianity came into being, in large part, because it makes people better people. It may be a slow process, but it is an upward, and not degenerative, process, which is the whole fricking point.
Civilization is about moving forward. Christianity is about moving forward. America is about moving forward. It was and is the perfect match.
Anyone running their mouth about slavery and all this other shit, is obviously just jealous that their shit-philosophy has no traction, and that only Harry-Potter-fan-like zealots like them buy into it.
Thats too bad.
Im not gonna speak for everybody who follows the same beliefs as i do, but for the most part, a wiccan would have a hard time knowing that he has command over the well-being of an entire nation.. think of them as individualists.. Not where everybody should fend for themselves but more so, they would have a hard time imposing a viewpoint on everybody else.. u kno what i mean??[/quote] Not really. Sounds like me you're saying Wicca are trained to be nothing more than followers, and are incapable of holding leadership positions.
Yet you do not want them to be leaders in any capacity for fear they might impose on others, so you are all forced to be followers. Sounds like yet another incarnation of Communism, which is cool, if you're down with all that.
Don't care. I have not a single person influencing me to believe in religion A or religion Z, and yet, I am still very religious and respectful of other religious people.
I make fun of these fake ass `enlightened' people, because their idea of being `open-minded' is to say the Bible "could have" been completely fake, and that there's a "good chance" all Christians and Jews are "brainwashed", and all this other ignorant shit.
The only thing they EVER learn is how to mouth-talk and argue better. They DO NOT learn the real essence of religion unless they OPEN UP THEIR HEARTS AND MINDS TO IT.
We are taught since birth that hitting people for no reason is wrong, and that hot water will burn your ass. Is that "brainwashing"? Surely it is not.
It is only "brainwashing" to your kind because, regardless of the shit you preach behind closed doors, that is the only way your cause can grow. You have to attack, attack, and attack some more, and make people feel like assholes for being Christians. Your religions don't gain many converts by simply being polite and kind; it doesn't work. You focus on fear and hatred and buzzwords like "brainwashed" and "lemming".
VVV
This is very true. But what I was talking about, mostly, was leading by example. If people would have seen you give a calm and cool FIRST response to this topic, talking about how you are Wicca and how it balances out your life....who knows how many people would have went and done some research on it.
As far as other `recruiting'--it is always possible. There exists a Wicca.com website that has information and beliefs...so TECHNICALLY, that could be considered recruiting, but logically, it is not. It is simply a place to go to get information.
You said you don't judge people--did you not just do this earlier? "the bible was nothing more then political fiction too gain followers and enforce lawz like slavery"
This is a judgement. Whether it was your own "personal opinion" or not, it was a judgement. In fact, "personal opinions" are the whole POINT of not judging, i would think. Religion is supposed to be what works for YOU, not what works for a group of people you wish to be a part of. Personal opinions like this, of a hurtful nature, ought to be kept to yourself.
I mean, imagine if Hitler walked round saying, "In my personal opinion, Jews are scum. In my personal opinion, they should all be exterminated". Any General that didn't want to get his head knocked off would take this as direct orders to start killing Jews. And in the end, would that "Personal Opinion" shit get Hitler off the hook? ...Nope.
Thanks for wasting my time.
TROLL said:
well put.. i dont mind having a respectable convo wit ya dirtyshoez...
I said nothing about only Christians being able to post in it. What I said was that this was a thread geared-towards Christians and meant for them to vent; not for other people to jump in and talk about how much Christianity sucks.
The only thing you "explained" and demonstrated was that you hate Christianity and you believe Christians are brainwashed idiots. And like i said, you do this because you feel compelled. You feel like your little mini-religion is under direct threat, and you are pulling a Bush and acting preemptively before it actually happens
It certainly wasn't spread by people like me observing you shitting all over Christianity, instead of taking your time to speak on how much more compatible you believe, in your heart, that Wicca is with the average American.
Oh no. Couldn't possibly be that!
Verily! You should make a thread in the GOM about this, starting with a few books and URLs, and see where it leads.
If they aren't filled with hate and jealousy and envy, then they surely can. Then again, most Non-Christians are incapable of understanding that Christianity came into being, in large part, because it makes people better people. It may be a slow process, but it is an upward, and not degenerative, process, which is the whole fricking point.
Civilization is about moving forward. Christianity is about moving forward. America is about moving forward. It was and is the perfect match.
Anyone running their mouth about slavery and all this other shit, is obviously just jealous that their shit-philosophy has no traction, and that only Harry-Potter-fan-like zealots like them buy into it.
Thats too bad.
Im not gonna speak for everybody who follows the same beliefs as i do, but for the most part, a wiccan would have a hard time knowing that he has command over the well-being of an entire nation.. think of them as individualists.. Not where everybody should fend for themselves but more so, they would have a hard time imposing a viewpoint on everybody else.. u kno what i mean??[/quote] Not really. Sounds like me you're saying Wicca are trained to be nothing more than followers, and are incapable of holding leadership positions.
Yet you do not want them to be leaders in any capacity for fear they might impose on others, so you are all forced to be followers. Sounds like yet another incarnation of Communism, which is cool, if you're down with all that.
Don't care. I have not a single person influencing me to believe in religion A or religion Z, and yet, I am still very religious and respectful of other religious people.
I make fun of these fake ass `enlightened' people, because their idea of being `open-minded' is to say the Bible "could have" been completely fake, and that there's a "good chance" all Christians and Jews are "brainwashed", and all this other ignorant shit.
The only thing they EVER learn is how to mouth-talk and argue better. They DO NOT learn the real essence of religion unless they OPEN UP THEIR HEARTS AND MINDS TO IT.
We are taught since birth that hitting people for no reason is wrong, and that hot water will burn your ass. Is that "brainwashing"? Surely it is not.
It is only "brainwashing" to your kind because, regardless of the shit you preach behind closed doors, that is the only way your cause can grow. You have to attack, attack, and attack some more, and make people feel like assholes for being Christians. Your religions don't gain many converts by simply being polite and kind; it doesn't work. You focus on fear and hatred and buzzwords like "brainwashed" and "lemming".
VVV
This is very true. But what I was talking about, mostly, was leading by example. If people would have seen you give a calm and cool FIRST response to this topic, talking about how you are Wicca and how it balances out your life....who knows how many people would have went and done some research on it.
As far as other `recruiting'--it is always possible. There exists a Wicca.com website that has information and beliefs...so TECHNICALLY, that could be considered recruiting, but logically, it is not. It is simply a place to go to get information.
You said you don't judge people--did you not just do this earlier? "the bible was nothing more then political fiction too gain followers and enforce lawz like slavery"
This is a judgement. Whether it was your own "personal opinion" or not, it was a judgement. In fact, "personal opinions" are the whole POINT of not judging, i would think. Religion is supposed to be what works for YOU, not what works for a group of people you wish to be a part of. Personal opinions like this, of a hurtful nature, ought to be kept to yourself.
I mean, imagine if Hitler walked round saying, "In my personal opinion, Jews are scum. In my personal opinion, they should all be exterminated". Any General that didn't want to get his head knocked off would take this as direct orders to start killing Jews. And in the end, would that "Personal Opinion" shit get Hitler off the hook? ...Nope.
suprised?
if thats what you feel i did then thats on you... i stated my own opinion.. people can take it for what its worth..
LETS CLARIFY ONE THING BEFORE I CONTINUE.. Witchcraft is not a religon...now,..
I didnt respond because i felt as if my beliefs were threatend.. if this were the case id be out in front of every church and house of worship in my area trying too stop people from going in.. i thought i made it clear that i have no quams with what other people believe.. its real too them so i have no right to tell them otherwise.. I WILL state my own feelings tho.. thats what a thread is meant for... now lets continue...
No.. not by people like you...it was spread by the churches when we all were a twinkle in our fatherz eyez back before people had a right too voice there own opinions...wicca IS NOT for the average american.. its NOT for MANY people.. its for a few.. thought u would have got that much out of what i said so far...
I have before.. 2-0-sixx and HERESY can back me on that one as we have had looongggg debates about it before..
I would say that most wiccans first started off as christians or catholics or what have you...
cant the same be said about any religion? sounds like the status quo compliment given by used car dealers IMO...
Now im senseing a lil apprehensiveness.. who was it that said someone was feeling threatend in this thread?? hmm cant remember.. but anyway.. ITS A FACT.. the bible says slavery is "ok" Have u read it?? Im not saying ive read it thru and thru but i have read about 85% of it and drew my own conclusion and decided not too buy into the "shit-philosophy" that all the emotions, wants and instincts given too us are "bad" and that from birth we come short of an image of a deity we have never seen before... so.. if ur opinion is that every wiccan watches harry potter and plays D&D then thats an assumption based on ur own ignorance.. im not gonna convince u otherwise because the point is moot when a wiccan could really care less..
Not really... id rather not have someone who follows my ideology put in the position too become mulengro.(corrupt/evil/parasite)
I didnt say anything about being incapable, but the focus is on individuality, it would be more of a preference.. if someone wants too lead they get support.. but they defintately wouldnt throw their beliefs into buisness matters, otherwise, their fake wiccans...
Covens dont ask money of their followers nor should the followers expect the coven too help them pay their bills... so i dont kno where the relation too communism comes from.. Wiccans dont have a "leader"... no king, or president of the pentacales club so, NO we are not "followers" in the sense your trying too portray... Everyone is free too follow their own paths and often times is encouraged too do so... the resources are there for them too use or shun as they see fit... .
good for you..
I dunno where the term "enlightend" came from in your mind when it comes too non-christians/catholics, but anyway, So u "bash" (enlightend) people for "bashing" christianity... hmm... ever the vigilante i guess but if u feel as if an (enlightend) person is bashing christianity/catholicsm for speaking their opinion then i guess u feel more threatend and compelled too defend it then they would if u bashed theirs.. and so the cycle continues...
Most people grew up with religion then converted.. so i dunno how they couldnt get a sense of it from being born into it..
NOOOOO it sure isnt.. for hot water will definatley burn and hitting is definately bad...thats obvious.. least we can FEEL both those...however, u cant FEEL god in the physical sense.. so.. bad anaolgy.
if thats what you feel i did then thats on you... i stated my own opinion.. people can take it for what its worth..
Dirty Shoez said:
The only thing you "explained" and demonstrated was that you hate Christianity and you believe Christians are brainwashed idiots. And like i said, you do this because you feel compelled. You feel like your little mini-religion is under direct threat, and you are pulling a Bush and acting preemptively before it actually happens
I didnt respond because i felt as if my beliefs were threatend.. if this were the case id be out in front of every church and house of worship in my area trying too stop people from going in.. i thought i made it clear that i have no quams with what other people believe.. its real too them so i have no right to tell them otherwise.. I WILL state my own feelings tho.. thats what a thread is meant for... now lets continue...
No.. not by people like you...it was spread by the churches when we all were a twinkle in our fatherz eyez back before people had a right too voice there own opinions...wicca IS NOT for the average american.. its NOT for MANY people.. its for a few.. thought u would have got that much out of what i said so far...
I have before.. 2-0-sixx and HERESY can back me on that one as we have had looongggg debates about it before..
I would say that most wiccans first started off as christians or catholics or what have you...
cant the same be said about any religion? sounds like the status quo compliment given by used car dealers IMO...
Now im senseing a lil apprehensiveness.. who was it that said someone was feeling threatend in this thread?? hmm cant remember.. but anyway.. ITS A FACT.. the bible says slavery is "ok" Have u read it?? Im not saying ive read it thru and thru but i have read about 85% of it and drew my own conclusion and decided not too buy into the "shit-philosophy" that all the emotions, wants and instincts given too us are "bad" and that from birth we come short of an image of a deity we have never seen before... so.. if ur opinion is that every wiccan watches harry potter and plays D&D then thats an assumption based on ur own ignorance.. im not gonna convince u otherwise because the point is moot when a wiccan could really care less..
Not really... id rather not have someone who follows my ideology put in the position too become mulengro.(corrupt/evil/parasite)
I didnt say anything about being incapable, but the focus is on individuality, it would be more of a preference.. if someone wants too lead they get support.. but they defintately wouldnt throw their beliefs into buisness matters, otherwise, their fake wiccans...
Covens dont ask money of their followers nor should the followers expect the coven too help them pay their bills... so i dont kno where the relation too communism comes from.. Wiccans dont have a "leader"... no king, or president of the pentacales club so, NO we are not "followers" in the sense your trying too portray... Everyone is free too follow their own paths and often times is encouraged too do so... the resources are there for them too use or shun as they see fit... .
good for you..
I dunno where the term "enlightend" came from in your mind when it comes too non-christians/catholics, but anyway, So u "bash" (enlightend) people for "bashing" christianity... hmm... ever the vigilante i guess but if u feel as if an (enlightend) person is bashing christianity/catholicsm for speaking their opinion then i guess u feel more threatend and compelled too defend it then they would if u bashed theirs.. and so the cycle continues...
Most people grew up with religion then converted.. so i dunno how they couldnt get a sense of it from being born into it..
NOOOOO it sure isnt.. for hot water will definatley burn and hitting is definately bad...thats obvious.. least we can FEEL both those...however, u cant FEEL god in the physical sense.. so.. bad anaolgy.
my kind? lol.. well.. i dont attack attack attack.. christianity is real too those who follow it as is wicca real too me and those who follow IT... I stated how i felt and didnt call christians assholes for believing in what they do..ur having a hard time wrapping around the concept that wiccans dont want too, nor feel they need too, go out and find people too convert..
Actually, FROM this thread a few have hit me up with questions about it.. thus, backing my claim that people come too IT.. IT doesnt go too people..see, since we are indvidualists we dont feel that we have too act accordingly, our beleifs and opinions dont reflect the wiccan society as a whole nor should it.
Yup.. wiccans wont look for people too change but will provide the resources when asked for them..
the bible does push slavery..i "judged" a book.. an ideology.. not a person.. so lets keep thingz in context.
right.. but this is a place of discussion where personal opinions get spoken.. deal with it bro..
like...
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Lol.. then its more then just "hitler" expressing his personal opinion if someones head is gonna get lopped off for not following it.. correct? man..your trying your damndest too find contradictions with what i say by comparing them too some outlandish and oout of context examples.. I wasnt trying too turn this thread into a huge debate and steal its thunder, yet it seems destined too turn into a back and forth of sorts with me expressing opinions and u calling propaganda.
Actually, FROM this thread a few have hit me up with questions about it.. thus, backing my claim that people come too IT.. IT doesnt go too people..see, since we are indvidualists we dont feel that we have too act accordingly, our beleifs and opinions dont reflect the wiccan society as a whole nor should it.
Yup.. wiccans wont look for people too change but will provide the resources when asked for them..
the bible does push slavery..i "judged" a book.. an ideology.. not a person.. so lets keep thingz in context.
right.. but this is a place of discussion where personal opinions get spoken.. deal with it bro..
like...
:cheeky:
Lol.. then its more then just "hitler" expressing his personal opinion if someones head is gonna get lopped off for not following it.. correct? man..your trying your damndest too find contradictions with what i say by comparing them too some outlandish and oout of context examples.. I wasnt trying too turn this thread into a huge debate and steal its thunder, yet it seems destined too turn into a back and forth of sorts with me expressing opinions and u calling propaganda.
DUDE, you did the SAME EXACT SHIT I DID, only TEN SECONDS after chastizing me for doing do. What the fuck exactly is your malfunction?
"Tadou, although I see your point, you can't say that IF there were more Atheists and Wiccans in power that anything different would happen, cause none of us know. It's a nice idea but for some reason I don't think it's correct. Religion divides people, spirituality/beliving in a common good/believing in whatever unites people. Organized religion has been and always will be used for control and power over massive amounts of people."
So it's OK for YOU to make predictions about the future and believe they are 100% correct, but once someone else does it, you sit there and run your fat, righteous mouth, and you sound stupid because of it.
Maybe you need another Yahoo Messenger refresher? I don't know. But you still have not learned to keep your pride in check.
Troll.....damn, sport. You really are coming to play ball. Fair enough. I will tackle all that later today
"Tadou, although I see your point, you can't say that IF there were more Atheists and Wiccans in power that anything different would happen, cause none of us know. It's a nice idea but for some reason I don't think it's correct. Religion divides people, spirituality/beliving in a common good/believing in whatever unites people. Organized religion has been and always will be used for control and power over massive amounts of people."
So it's OK for YOU to make predictions about the future and believe they are 100% correct, but once someone else does it, you sit there and run your fat, righteous mouth, and you sound stupid because of it.
Maybe you need another Yahoo Messenger refresher? I don't know. But you still have not learned to keep your pride in check.
Troll.....damn, sport. You really are coming to play ball. Fair enough. I will tackle all that later today
lol, okay buddy..okay...I was right in the first part, and wrong in the second to say that it will ALWAYS be like that...But for real though, I'm always right, lol... And I don't have a malfunction, I just don't think it's worth spending the time making myself look better than someone to anybody on here cause most people already know what your malfunction is, or at least that you have one. Good day "sport."
And I don't have a malfunction, I just don't think it's worth spending the time making myself look better than someone to anybody on here cause most people already know what your malfunction is, or at least that you have one. Good day "sport."So this one goes out to all that say "i dont believe in God but i am a good person" tell me what determines good with out looking at God. mass society even none believers that look a good as doing "GOOD DEEDS" have christian principals, so there for if they are not putting forth efort in a relationship with Jesus they still put faith into the principal of christian faith and beliefs, and for those who say "im glad to live in a free country", well then your glad to support the christian laws abound through the bible. this is a nation under God and was established on protastant christianity It all comes down to what you want to put your faith into either you can put FAITH in NOTHING or you can put your FAITH into GOD so either way your putting faith in to something even if it is nothing. You cant knock till you rock it and for those who knock the faith and yet say they are a good person well then how can you call your self good when you your self are going against all that is good.