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Props to WikiLeaks for lurking when it matters..they found EVERYTHING. biggest leak EVERRRR in the u.s. military.. Obama got to do some rethinking nao. $1 billion to Pakistan and they helpin the taliban.. lol
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Afghanistan war logs: Massive leak of secret files exposes truth of occupation

A huge cache of secret US military files today provides a devastating portrait of the failing war in Afghanistan, revealing how coalition forces have killed hundreds of civilians in unreported incidents, Taliban attacks have soared and Nato commanders fear neighbouring Pakistan and Iran are fuelling the insurgency.

The disclosures come from more than 90,000 records of incidents and intelligence reports about the conflict obtained by the whistleblowers' website Wikileaks in one of the biggest leaks in US military history. The files, which were made available to the Guardian, the New York Times and the German weekly Der Spiegel, give a blow-by-blow account of the fighting over the last six years, which has so far cost the lives of more than 320 British and over 1,000 US troops.

Their publication comes amid mounting concern that Barack Obama's "surge" strategy is failing and as coalition troops hunt for two US navy sailors captured by the Taliban south of Kabul on Friday.

The war logs also detail:

• How a secret "black" unit of special forces hunts down Taliban leaders for "kill or capture" without trial.

• How the US covered up evidence that the Taliban have acquired deadly surface-to-air missiles.

• How the coalition is increasingly using deadly Reaper drones to hunt and kill Taliban targets by remote control from a base in Nevada.

• How the Taliban have caused growing carnage with a massive escalation of its roadside bombing campaign, which has killed more than 2,000 civilians to date.

In a statement, the White House said the chaotic picture painted by the logs was the result of "under-resourcing" under Obama's predecessor, saying: "It is important to note that the time period reflected in the documents is January 2004 to December 2009."

The White House also criticised the publication of the files by Wikileaks: "We strongly condemn the disclosure of classified information by individuals and organisations, which puts the lives of the US and partner service members at risk and threatens our national security. Wikileaks made no effort to contact the US government about these documents, which may contain information that endanger the lives of Americans, our partners, and local populations who co-operate with us."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/25/afghanistan-war-logs-military-leaks
 

Ghost Dance

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This aint shit compared to what when down in past wars...

Dont get me wrong I think civilian deaths are fucked up but the death toll is minor compared to lets say the vietnam war.

Matter of fact this war is a lot like the vietnam war cuz the Rusians was helpin the north vietmanise with weapons and shit like that just like Iran and Pakistan are helping the Taliban. Its a gorilla war and u cant beat them at it....or atleast no one has figured out how to yet. We just need to pull out and bomb then when we can.
 

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Oh yeah and I dont get the Obama connection...

It said " the time period reflected in the documents is January 2004 to December 2009."

Obama was not inaugurated untill January 20, 2009.

Thats less than a year under his watch.
 
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But they're saying his surge strategy aint workin, plus Obama is the only president yo go after whistleblowers hard even Bush wasn't that vigilant about whistleblowers. The reason why he's going hard against whistleblowers, I think, is cuz he's into using black ops a lot.
 
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This aint shit compared to what when down in past wars...

Dont get me wrong I think civilian deaths are fucked up but the death toll is minor compared to lets say the vietnam war.

Matter of fact this war is a lot like the vietnam war cuz the Rusians was helpin the north vietmanise with weapons and shit like that just like Iran and Pakistan are helping the Taliban. Its a gorilla war and u cant beat them at it....or atleast no one has figured out how to yet. We just need to pull out and bomb then when we can.
Insurgencies, or 'guerilla wars' are definately 'winnable'..look at that Malay Emergency or even Iraq...where the Iraqi Insurgencywas pretty much annhialated and we are in the process of leaving.

The problem with Afghanistan is that outside of much of the Urban areas, it is so archaic there. And politics are based on individual tribal loyalties and regions than in an 'Afghan' identity. There are places Nato troops have went into recently and the people in the area thought they were Russians because of how isolated they were, they had little idea what was going on outside of their area.

For years Afghanistan was under resourced and the Insurgency was allowed to get more complex and burrow deeper into the areas they controlled. Only since last year has it become the main focus...I think we can lay shit down but its going to take a little while. I think Obama thinking shit is gonna show real progress by a year from now is pretty ridiculous.
 
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Oh yeah and I dont get the Obama connection...

It said " the time period reflected in the documents is January 2004 to December 2009."

Obama was not inaugurated untill January 20, 2009.

Thats less than a year under his watch.
dont get it twisted. this is obama's war.
hes the head nigga in charge right now.

yes he inherited some shit, but all these predator drone strikes are coming across his desk bro.

the info revealed in this leak is staggering...
shit you aint supposed to know til well after the conflict is over

the info they had on the black ops team was epic
 

Ghost Dance

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This is Obama's war???

What is that supposed to mean???

You act like he sent troops over there for personal reasons or some shit...Yeah some shit goes over his desk and he has to aprove it or not it but this is far from "his war", and like I said he was only in office for 11 months out of the 72 months these documents were recorded and this war started hella years before he was even in office so I dont get ur point...

Dont get me wrong I dont think Obama has been what he campained as but I think your reachin on this one homie.
 

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im fuckin glad to hear about the black ops doin the kill or capture missions thats what we should have done from the start, close, quiet and quick, strike that fear into the taliban and al qaeda leaders and those that see the carnage left behind for being a terrorist

now all that civilian shit is horrible and the reason i think its happening is becuz of the strat they are using, goin in by force in the open and challenging the terrorist to a face to face war where civilians are amongst the enemy

good shit for wikileaks

oh and yea im with everyone else, they shouldnt pile all this on Obama (and im honesty sick of whats goin on with his admin. and him, its fuckin DC movie makin in my eyes)

but now that he is president, i believe they will (and he will be forced) to answer for this, that or he'll play stupid like clinton did wit the bitch

"define (it)"
 

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Insurgencies, or 'guerilla wars' are definately 'winnable'..look at that Malay Emergency or even Iraq...where the Iraqi Insurgencywas pretty much annhialated and we are in the process of leaving.
Iraq? There are still 'insurgents' and just because the US pack up and leave doesn't mean it will stop. Those Iraqi police they have been training are corrupt as fuck and as soon as the US and its partners are out of there, shit will start happening again for a very long time.

Guerilla Warfare is not winnable, unless you nuke every inch of whole country.
 

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Iraq? There are still 'insurgents' and just because the US pack up and leave doesn't mean it will stop. Those Iraqi police they have been training are corrupt as fuck and as soon as the US and its partners are out of there, shit will start happening again for a very long time.

Guerilla Warfare is not winnable, unless you nuke every inch of whole country.
your a fuckin dork

stfu
 
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Insurgencies, or 'guerilla wars' are definately 'winnable'..look at that Malay Emergency or even Iraq...where the Iraqi Insurgencywas pretty much annhialated and we are in the process of leaving.

The problem with Afghanistan is that outside of much of the Urban areas, it is so archaic there. And politics are based on individual tribal loyalties and regions than in an 'Afghan' identity. There are places Nato troops have went into recently and the people in the area thought they were Russians because of how isolated they were, they had little idea what was going on outside of their area.

For years Afghanistan was under resourced and the Insurgency was allowed to get more complex and burrow deeper into the areas they controlled. Only since last year has it become the main focus...I think we can lay shit down but its going to take a little while. I think Obama thinking shit is gonna show real progress by a year from now is pretty ridiculous.
Good ass post
 
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Insurgencies, or 'guerilla wars' are definately 'winnable'..look at that Malay Emergency or even Iraq...where the Iraqi Insurgencywas pretty much annhialated and we are in the process of leaving.

The problem with Afghanistan is that outside of much of the Urban areas, it is so archaic there. And politics are based on individual tribal loyalties and regions than in an 'Afghan' identity. There are places Nato troops have went into recently and the people in the area thought they were Russians because of how isolated they were, they had little idea what was going on outside of their area.

For years Afghanistan was under resourced and the Insurgency was allowed to get more complex and burrow deeper into the areas they controlled. Only since last year has it become the main focus...I think we can lay shit down but its going to take a little while. I think Obama thinking shit is gonna show real progress by a year from now is pretty ridiculous.
Afghanistan is unwinnable, check history. The rebels also have the will to wait shit out and to keep fighting as long as it takes. The US doesn't, especially with deadlines to troop withdrawals, etc.

Long live Afghanistan.