why the bay doesnt blow

[cipherminds]

FUCK THA BULLSHIT

I THINK EVERYBODY HAS A GOOD POINT AND HERE'S MY TAKE AS AN ARTIST AND FAN:

1) U NEED TO BE SEEN AND HEARD..THAT MEANS SHOOT A FUCKIN NICE QUALITY VIDEO WHEN U GOT THE MONEY, WHICH ONLY SUM OF THE MORE KNOWN LABELS GOT I ASSUME LIKE DONE DEAL, ETC

2) mAKE A RADIO SONG-- I MEAN ARTISITCALLY DO SUMTHIN NEW..NIGGAS TIRED OF HEARIN BAY NIGGAS ON THE SAME HYPE..THAS REAL AS FUCK..THAT DONT MEAN U GOTTA GET JIGGY AND DRESS ALL CUTE.. U CAN BE A THUG WITH A PARTY TRACK..TALK ABOUT SUMTHIN IN YORU MUSIC..PUS THE ENVELOPE MANN REALLY

RADIO AN VIDEO ARE THE BIGGEST THING..FUCK A POSTER ALL OVER THE PLACE. U GOTTA BE ON PEOPLES MINDS ALL DAY AND IN THEY FACES... GO TO L.A. CUZZ ITS WHERE ITS ALL AT..

EVERYBODY MENTIONS 40..LOOK WHAT HE DID..HE WENT EVERYWHERE SPITTIN HIS GAME, NETWORKIN AND MEETIN PEOPLE...

NIGGA ACT LIKE YOU RUNNIN FOR MAYOR WHEN U DROPPIN AN ALBUM. BE HUMBLE.MEET FOLKS. SHAKE HANDS WITH YOUR FANS. IF YOU BIG ENUFF TO WHERE PEOPLE CAN SPOT U ON THE STREET AND BE LIKE THAS QUINN..DONT JUST MUG AND WALK AWAY, GO SHAKE A HAND, SIGN AN AUTOGRAPH. GO TO HIGH SCHOOLS AND TALK ABOUT OPTIONS FOR KIDS OTHER THAN COLLEGE.


I'LL SAY IT AGAIN... VIDEO, RADIO..IF THE RADIO HERE WONT SUPPORT US, STOP FUCKIN SUPPORTIN THEM..THAS REAL.. AND SPINNIN 40, QUINN AND KEEK 15 TIMES A WEEK IS HARDLY LUV AT ALL...GO SOME PLACE ELSE AND MAKE THEM FUCK WITH YOU

CIPHERMINDS IS MY NEW GROUP.. I AM RAP4RIGHTS

TO HELP BOOSTS MINES...IM ACTIN LIKE IM RUNNIN FOR MAYOR. U WATCH ME

ANYBODY NEED HELP PASSIN OUT FLYERS, GOIN ON RUNS FOR YOUR COMPANY I'M DOWN... ANYBODY FEELIN THESE IDEAS, GET AT ME

RAP4RIGHTS FOR MAYOR OF HIP-HOP 2004..

 

[FAT STEVE]

ITA ALL THE SAME!!!!!!!!!

BOTTOMLINE!!!!!!! NO BACK SCRATCHIN BUT BACK STABBIN!!!!!!!!!!! DONE DEAL YOU MADE SOME GOOD POINTS BUT ANYONE THAT KNOWS MUSIC AND ARTIST ADVANCEMENT KNOW THAT THE FIRST COUPLE CDS FROM AN ARTIST/LABEL WILL NOT BE THEIR BEST OR THE BEST QUALITY OR EVEN MAINSTREAM MATERIAL!!!!!!! YOU GET PEOPLE WHO JUMP IN AND THINK THAT THEIR LRYICS ARE TIGHT AND THATS ALL IT TAKES!!!!!!!! HAVE OF THE NEW ARTISTS NOW MAKIN CAREERS ON MIXTAPES!!!!!!! YOU JUST GOTTA KNOW YOUR PLACE IN THE GAME!!!!!! WITH MY NEXT REALEASE ILL SELL MINUMUM OF 5000 COPIES!!!!!!! WHY?????? BECAUSE ILL BE OUTHERE WORKIN 4 MINE!!!!!!!!! ITS A GOOD UNDERGROUND RELEASE!!!!!!!! NOT MAINSTREAM PRODUCTION BUT MY PRODUCTION FROM START TO FINISH!!!!!!! IT KEEPS GETTIN BETTER AND BETTER!!!!!!!!! I STARTED THIS RAP THANG 3 YEARS AGO WHEN I GOT RELEASED FROM PRISON!!!!!! SECOND ALBUM ALREADY!!!!!! WILL I GET SUPPORT AT THE STORES!!!!!!!!!!NO!!!!!!!!!! DONT HAVE THE BIG BIG NAMES TO PLEASE THE CONSUMER!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUT IN THE STREETS I WILL SELL!!!!!!!!!! RESPECT FIRST, THEN MONEY AND POWER!!!!!!!! THE REASON FOR THIS POST IS THIS THE REALITY FOR A SMALL INDIE LIKE MINE HIGHERRECORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU GET WHAT YOU PUT INTO SOMETHING!!!!!!!! ITS JUST LIKE THE DOPEGAME!!!!!!!!! YOU GOT 5 PEOPLE GRINDIN AT THE SAME SPOT SAME TIME!!!!!!!!!!! LESS MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!! LOCAL MUSIC ISNT GOIN TO HAVE THE PRODUCTION OF A DEATHROW,BADBOY,ROCA FELA!!!!!!!!!!!! BUT WITH ENOUGH BAY SUPPORT THE DEMAND WILL BE THERE MAKIN THE $100,000 STUDIO MORE ACCESSIBLE WITH THE MONEY BEHIND IT!!!!!!!!!!! BOTTOMLINE ONCE AGAIN SUPPORT OUR BACKYARD THE BAY AREA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bayGIANTS]

This is what i meant by over saturation: You have a kid in Missula, Montana that wants to buy a cd he browses the internet to check out some shit on whos Hot He comes to Bart sees a few topics about San Quinn, he is thinking about ordering something from Frisco Street Show froms Quinns Catalog but is hesitant because the last 3 BAY AREA cds he has bought have ben Terrible, poor Rymes, beats and sound Quality! So He never makes the purchase. That one person could have created alot of New Fans for San Quinn/Done Deal and other Bay Artist. But Instead that Bullshit stopped that guy from fucking with The Bay at all. And I met that Guy when i hit the road with 40 see this is a real story.
I also agree with Guest Features, a little advice if you got alot of rappers on your cd that its there first time on a cd or they have NO fan base established yet Dont put their name on the back of the cd give them crdeit on the inside cuz it looks like bullshit when you got all these rappers on EVERY song on the back of YOUR cd and I NEVER EVEN HEARD OF YOU , let alone Them!

But Radio plays THE biggest part!
no Video Support
No Major labels downtown here we cant go up to there office easily and get a demo listened too. and La radio plays LA artist cuz they all have DEALS! Shit Sly boogie is somewhat independent out there but Tech and Sway put him out..
Its Ruff on the bay but i cant sit here and complain i got to get out and make it happen shit last longer when you work to get it anyway shit that comes easy usually goes easy!

thanks for clarifying, now I agree with what you were saying.

 

[MrPeete]

I'm so tired of this topic but I'm going to reply anyway. ..

The vast majority of the people commenting on this topic everytime it comes up don't have any albums out. It's very easy to say why this, and you should do this, and how come you don't do that. BUT if you've never actually been through the process of actually creating something from scratch (quality shit mind you) just to see your vision fall short of your expectations, you shouldn't be commenting on this thread. I understand the fans would like to see some bay cats get big. It'll happen when it happens. Mufuckas gotta be patient.

When it happens, it'll be Quinn. We all know that. Be patient and let it happen.

But the fans gotta support when it happens. Don't turn your back on Quinn when he's a 'Mainstream Artist'. You know how mufuckas do around here.

Also ... I don't believe it when people say the indie artists gotta network more with each other cause we got a bunch of underground indie artists that don't sell shit out here. So what good is it gonna do for multiple artists that don't sell shit to network with each other? Network when everybody get on the mainstream level like them Atlanta cats are doing. If only one cat from out here makes it to the mainstream level, oh well he gotta maintain his mainstreamness and network with other mainstream artists.

 

[cipherminds]

man it dont fuckin matter fi u never put out an album or if oyu have 25 albums man. if u know sumthin and u got information to back it up, then it is what it is..people can hav their opinions and say wat the feel and i think most folks have had sum very valid shti to say. and niggas do need to network more. go to LA and New York. make people here you. do shows and sell cd's at the shows. bay area cats don't seem liek they wana do that. go on a real tour that the budget can handle u feel. drive to fuckin l.a. ina van with the camp and do as many shows as u can..then hit up every spot on the way doin shows and sellin cd's//

hip-hop satrte by word of mouth.now niggas then got corporate and got plots and schemes. keep it simple. let people here u performin and they will buy your cd..simple, right?

 

[FAT STEVE]

theres more than just quinn though!!!!!!!!!

no question quinn is on top of his game but theres alot of talent outhere in the bay!!!!!! whoever puts themselves in a position to not just be heard locally but nationally!!!!!!!! 10% is the music 90% is business sense!!!!!!!

 

[carlos]

thatz why i only fuck with bout 4 5 artists from the bay thats it, the rest i just can't listen to...thats why ion fucc wit bay that much i stick with some sacramento shyt mostly siccmade and other coasts, ATL blowin up with hits like lil jon, youngbloodz and others...to me the bay will never blow up, just only bout 2 rappers but thats it...

 

[carlos]

san quinn is tight, but some people from other states don't like that bay type of shit and u know why? cuz of da beats n shit but people from the bay do be bumpin his shit...

 

[Locster]

The bay is gay. Im just fuccing around.

 

[TheBayIsTheSco]

yo peete, i hope that shit wasn't aimed at me cuz i'm trying to learn about this shit!!!!!! if u were talkin to me fuck no i haven't put out a cd and i certainly don't plan to either. i'm not gonna flood the fuckin bay with most of the bullshit that gets advertised on here. i asked why they haven't shot any fuckin videos. or how does that whole process work? i've said this before, i like most of your beats and i've given you credit for that too. if i didn't like your beats and style then i wouldn't say shit or simply disagree. chuck knows i support the done deal, that's all and i believe yall when u show your confidence in quinn blowin the fuck up, i've been sayin this shit all along.

mr. peete: u did make a great point though about if or when quinn blows up. people should not turn there back on quinn cuz he's major or whatever. it's a good thing for the bay. if he colabs with someone that is popular among the average hip hop/rap listener then fuck it IT'S A GOOD THING YOU FUCKIN IDIOTS!!!!!
i'm tired of seeing people say shit about 40 for hookin up with fabolous or whoever. fabolous came tight as fuck on "automatic" believe that!

 

[proppa]

QUINN OVER A NEPTUNES BEAT ISNT QUINN

40 OVER A NEPTUNES BEAT ISNT 40

SUGA FREE OVER A NEPTUNES BEAT ISNT SUGA FREE





BE YOUR FUCKING SELF. DO YOUR MUSIC. I STOP BUYING CDS CAUSE ARTIST TRYING TO DO WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE DOES. FUCK THAT SHIT. I SUPPORT GROUPS LIKE THE DELINQUENTS. THAT SHIT HAS THE SAME FEEL. WHEN I HERE QUINN WHEN I HERE 40 I WANNA HERE THEM OVER THERE BEATS.

AND STOP SAYING TIMES HAVE CHANGED. TIMES AINT CHANGED ARTIST AINT CHANGED. ITS JUST BITTING AND DOING WHATS "HOT" IS WHAT HAS CHANGED. DRE AND SNOOP AND 40 AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. STARTED THEY OWN SHIT. NO BITTING INVOLVED.

 

[Done Deal Ceo]

You gotta be kidding me?! Quinn over a neptunes beat isnt Quinn?? Why wouldnt Quinn sound good rapping over the HOTTEST producers track in the Entire Game!? Wow, man Our production as a whole SUCKS in The Bay! There are very few good producers out here VERY Few maybe like I can count them on one hand w/o saying no names, (except one Mr. peete is one of them!) and im not just saying this cuz he does beats for Done Deal we havent worked together in over a year, You guuys need to understand is Done Deal doe snot make music only for The Bay I want other people to like our shit, and really Only the south has their own sound everything else can work in any other Region, thats why Jay Z, Soso-Def and alot others do good over West Coast Beats Like Change The Game and Welcome To Atlanta( Bay Area Beat) Cuz Hot is Hot and The Bay Beats right now are NOT! and i dont want to hear you guys dont fuck with them cuz them niggas Soundscans be more here in 3 cities than Bay rappers total after one year, Dr Dre, jay Z all scanned over 100k in just the Bay ALONE! thats why radio plays them all day cuz according to sales thats what people out here wanna hear!

 

[proppa]

CHUCK CHECK WHOS BUYING THEM. ITS ALMOST ALL FEMALES.

ANYWAY THE POINT OF WHAT I SAID WAS. YOU DONT NEED A NEPTUNE FEEL TO SHIT.

MESSY MARV BLOCK FILES. FIRST TRACK QUINN AND MESS. THAT WAS ONE OF THE BEST TRACKS IVE HEARD IN I CANT REMBER HOW LONG. AND WHY IS THAT??????? BECAUSE IT DOSENT SOUND THE SAME AS THESE SORRY ASS CLUB RADIO TRACKS AND IT HAD A GOOD CONCEPT BEHIND THAT SHIT.


DRE DIDNT GO WITH WHAT WAS "HOT" NONE OF THEM DID. NONE OF THE BAY DID EITHER. THEY DID THEY SHIT. AND IT BLEW. CAUSE THEY HAD FAITH IN IT. YOU AINT GOTTA SWITCH YA STYLE YOU JUST GOTTA PUT FAITH AND STICK WITH THE SHIT YOU FEEL.

AND NEPTUNES IS HOT TO CATS THATS EITHER 1. WATCHIN AND JOCKIN ANYONE ON MTV BET OR THE RADIO. OR 2. JOCK ANYTHING THERE 13 YEAR OLD GIRLFRIEND IS LISTING TO.

AND IM NOT SAYING QUINN WOULD COME WACK ON A NEPTUNES BEAT. WHAT I AM SAYING IS THE BEAT WOULD MAKE ME NOT LISTIN TO THE TRACK. PLAIN AND SIMPLE

 

[FAT STEVE]

ANOTHER REASON

IT ISNT ABOUT THE ARTIST ANYMORE BUT WHOS ON THE ALBUM!!!!!!!!! WITH A LITTLE MONEY ANYBODY CAN PUT TOGETHER AN ALBUM WITH SOME NAMES!!!!!!!! WHAT DOES THIS MEAN!!!!! A BUNCH OF FAKE ASS NIGGAZ THAT CANT STAND ON THEY OWN 2 WHEN SHIT HITS THE FAN!!!!!!!!I WONDER HOW MANY OF TODAYS RAPPERS REALLY DO OR DID THE SHIT THEY TALKIN ABOUT!!!!!!! MISCONCEPTIONS!!!!!!!!

 

[FAT STEVE]

LOL

LOL

 

[PlanetZeroPat]

Its funny though, because their longevity will measure back to how many times they put their foot down....instead of how many times they let somebody shit on them because of politics



damn, that shit got me motivated for some crazy music making. ive been told my music sucks and that used to be motivation for me but lately ive been saying fuck it. I got a brand new mic and mixer today, so my vocal cords sound ten times more stronger,,,, thats why Outkast's new cd is so popular, creative, different, and not the norm, but from well respected artists

 

[Matai]

cipherminds I agree with the majority of your post and Chuck I damn near agree with all you said! YOU NEED TO CHANGE IT UP! So what if the 40's, quins/ keeks spit on some neptune shit!!! OPEN YOUR EYES GOD DAMIT!!!

Time changes and so should your music! People want new not old! This topic is as old as the Bay shit still being put out!

Give it a rest! We can't change time folks!

 

[Sean Tz]

Bay artists just need to take their time wIt their music and lyrics. Think bigger than the bay think nationwide, fuck it think global cause once everybody gets on the same page this region is takin over the bay that is, the time is now!!!!!!!!! QUALITY AND CONTENT IS THE KEY.......................

 

[BIGG RUBE]

Bay artists just need to take their time wIt their music and lyrics. Think bigger than the bay think nationwide, fuck it think global cause once everybody gets on the same page this region is takin over the bay that is, the time is now!!!!!!!!! QUALITY AND CONTENT IS THE KEY.......................

THATS THE REALIST SHIT RIGHT THERE...EVERYONE THINKS THEY CAN BE A PRODUCER/GRAPHIC ARTIST/RAPPER/CEO.... DONT BE SCAIRD TO SPEND YOUR MONEY! GET SOME REAL BEATS FROM A REAL PRODUCER (THEIR IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PRODUCER AND A BEAT MAKER). DONT JUST MAKE A SONG MAKE A HIT! AND ALSO PROMOTE IT! DONT THINK JUST CUZZ YOU HAND OUT 500 FLYERS IN YOUR LOCAL MALL YOUR GOINA SELL. PUT A PROMOTIONAL PLAN TOGETHER, WORK WIT A BUDGIT AND STREACH IT OUT AS FAR AS YOU CAN! RESEARCH YOU STYLE AND FIND THE PLACES WHERE SIMILAR ARTIST WITH YOUR STYLE SELL! AT THE SAME TIME PROMOTE IN REGIONS AND CITYS THAT ARE NEGLECTED BY OTHER ARTISTS.......IT SEEMS LIKE ALL THE OG ARTISTS FROM THE BAY ARE COMFORTABLE WITH SELLING 10,000 TO 20,000 THEIR NOT TRYING TO GO GOLD OR PLATNUM BECAUSE ITS TOO MUCH OF A RISK...BUT FUCK IT THIS WHOLE GAME IS A RISK! TO GO GOLD OR PLATNUM YOU HAVE TO HAVE A GOLD OR PLATNUM SOUND. ONCE YOU GET THAT THAN YOU HAVE TO GET GOLD OR PLATNUM PROMOTIONS.

 

[Done Deal Ceo]

I agree Sean T Dont cut corners on Quality man Spend most of your budget on Mixing!