Why dont Bay Area Producers....
- Thread starter threefoe
- Start date
I say winning because these producers are gaining new fans and new clients they wouldn't have otherwise gotten if they kept all their beats locked on their pc. I've personally found new producers in other states that I had yet to hear of and ended up buying beats from them just because I heard their tracks on various instrumental cd's I've downloaded.
Its all good you cats can feel and do whatever you want. I was simply pointing out a void I see of Bay Area beats on mixtapes or on anything else for that matter outside of the Bay. Cats gon do what they do and stay exactly where they at so it is what it is. 100
Its all good you cats can feel and do whatever you want. I was simply pointing out a void I see of Bay Area beats on mixtapes or on anything else for that matter outside of the Bay. Cats gon do what they do and stay exactly where they at so it is what it is. 100
When it comes to beats, giving them away for free only accomplishes one thing -- drives your market value down. You're low-balling yourself. Why should anyone spend $1000 on your beats when you just gave a bunch away at no charge? Lesson #1, always get paid.
People don't need to resort to things like giving their beats away for any lame on the internet with a mic to do what they want with. That's not how you get somewhere in this business. You'd be better off doing a bunch of remixes to hot songs and giving that away. At least then you keep control over the quality of the music.
It's funny how some of you people with the least success have the most advice to give.
People don't need to resort to things like giving their beats away for any lame on the internet with a mic to do what they want with. That's not how you get somewhere in this business. You'd be better off doing a bunch of remixes to hot songs and giving that away. At least then you keep control over the quality of the music.
It's funny how some of you people with the least success have the most advice to give.
Keep in mind that this is your (singular) experience. Definitely a hard sell to everybody else. Just because you've bought beats from some no name cat from Idaho or whatever doesn't mean that he's 'made it' all of a sudden. One no name (no offense to you) supporting another no name = ?
lol, and if everybody did what you're talking about and jumped into the free beat market, they'd all 'stay exactly where they at' too!
Unless you're a cat that makes tracks (maybe you do) and is tryin to get on, I don't think you can fully understand how competitive that situation is and how much sense it doesn't make to part with ANY of your material for nothing. Especially for those tryin to go beyond their local market and place tracks with majors.
lol, and if everybody did what you're talking about and jumped into the free beat market, they'd all 'stay exactly where they at' too!
Unless you're a cat that makes tracks (maybe you do) and is tryin to get on, I don't think you can fully understand how competitive that situation is and how much sense it doesn't make to part with ANY of your material for nothing. Especially for those tryin to go beyond their local market and place tracks with majors.
Yet another who cant read or comprehend.
Know who you talkin to before you open yo mouth bruh. Yo screen name is sick wit it right? That's interesting because when I was at warner bros in Urban Marketing our dept (including me) was largely responsible for the success of the boss of yo screen name (e-40) last album and the reason why he crossed over to the mainstream. I'm actually in the game and been in it for a min. Not on a pc makin posts thinkin I know what im talkin bout but really at labels workin and making things happen. Yall got all the answers tho so keep doin you.
Its funny how the people with the least knowledge have the most to say from the outside lookin in. Get on the field.
Know who you talkin to before you open yo mouth bruh. Yo screen name is sick wit it right? That's interesting because when I was at warner bros in Urban Marketing our dept (including me) was largely responsible for the success of the boss of yo screen name (e-40) last album and the reason why he crossed over to the mainstream. I'm actually in the game and been in it for a min. Not on a pc makin posts thinkin I know what im talkin bout but really at labels workin and making things happen. Yall got all the answers tho so keep doin you.
Its funny how the people with the least knowledge have the most to say from the outside lookin in. Get on the field.
Finally someone knows what im talkin bout. Except for the last part of your post this is exactly what I was tryin to get across to these other cats on here. You hit it right on the head wit the j arms comment. I get his instrumental cd's all the time and they never have any bay beats on em...ever.
Dont listen to these other cats i'm not talkin bout giving away anything for free....for the millionth time.
Dont listen to these other cats i'm not talkin bout giving away anything for free....for the millionth time.
i think it would be cool for some people with a hobbie to post some free beats, for some people with hobbies to rap on them,
and im pretty sure some producers(that take the whole thing more seriously) would give out free beats, but only to those who have talent, and can move the song into something big, rather than having a rapper click his own myspace plays
(all bad if i wrote some shit about free beats, im still reading the whole thread )
and im pretty sure some producers(that take the whole thing more seriously) would give out free beats, but only to those who have talent, and can move the song into something big, rather than having a rapper click his own myspace plays
(all bad if i wrote some shit about free beats, im still reading the whole thread )
Now that you've had time to go back and think about what you said here, what exactly did you mean with this statement?
When you say post beats on the net to download and make mixtape tracks, those are 2 separate things you're talking about. Now if you meant for that to be one action, then you could have said that, but you weren't clear here.
You'd be game goofy NOT to realize the potential of everyone being a hustler (everyone's a hustler nowadays), taking advantage of technology and finding ways to use stuff that you provided via download whether it be just jacking you or replaying your track without giving compensation.
Again, your approach is short money in the sense that the field (as you call it) is so competitive that there really isn't a big difference in the potential for reaching the right people by exposing your stuff all over the internet and just holding on to your stuff until the right opportunity presents itself. What the right opportunity is, and how to create that condition is a different conversation though...
I get what you're saying, but if there were stats on stuff like this, the two approaches with regards to individual success rate would probably break even.
When you say post beats on the net to download and make mixtape tracks, those are 2 separate things you're talking about. Now if you meant for that to be one action, then you could have said that, but you weren't clear here.
You'd be game goofy NOT to realize the potential of everyone being a hustler (everyone's a hustler nowadays), taking advantage of technology and finding ways to use stuff that you provided via download whether it be just jacking you or replaying your track without giving compensation.
Again, your approach is short money in the sense that the field (as you call it) is so competitive that there really isn't a big difference in the potential for reaching the right people by exposing your stuff all over the internet and just holding on to your stuff until the right opportunity presents itself. What the right opportunity is, and how to create that condition is a different conversation though...
I get what you're saying, but if there were stats on stuff like this, the two approaches with regards to individual success rate would probably break even.
Everybody does it different right?
I just posted new beats up get at your boy world trade production
http://www.myspace.com/onemobeat
I just posted new beats up get at your boy world trade production
http://www.myspace.com/onemobeat
I've been doing just fine in this business for almost 20 years now. You working in a marketing department is about as impressive as a teenage pregnancy. You're right about one thing, you should watch who you're talking to before you get spanked. It wouldn't be the first time I've had to put a youngster in his place. Don't play yourself.
The idea that giving beats away for free will somehow magically turn a nobody into a somebody in the music business is laughable to put it politely. Don't expect to place beats on any big projects any time soon doing that. That's not how to draw attention to yourself from anyone respectable.
The idea that giving beats away for free will somehow magically turn a nobody into a somebody in the music business is laughable to put it politely. Don't expect to place beats on any big projects any time soon doing that. That's not how to draw attention to yourself from anyone respectable.
First of all, most producers who make beats, more than likely rap themselves, and they might not be the greatest rapper of all time but they know how to do it. So why should they give beats out to people they dont know for free?
I have posted gems up on here, but all I recieved was hate. The internet promoting isn't going to help you get signed inless you have a "HIT" SONG!! not a beat!! People don't buy ringtones of instrumentals, people buy songs.
On top of that, it takes time, money and effort to make a beat. I rather try to shop my music to big names, and try to have them listen to it. I started taking it to the streets, and now I'm talking to some local labels. I wouldn't have done that giving beats away for free online.
And 500 dollars ain't shit for a beat, it don't matter if the beatmaker is a no name, the only thing that matters is that the beat is hot!!!
This is why I started making my own beats 7 years ago because I didn't want to have to depend on another man for nothing.
I have posted gems up on here, but all I recieved was hate. The internet promoting isn't going to help you get signed inless you have a "HIT" SONG!! not a beat!! People don't buy ringtones of instrumentals, people buy songs.
On top of that, it takes time, money and effort to make a beat. I rather try to shop my music to big names, and try to have them listen to it. I started taking it to the streets, and now I'm talking to some local labels. I wouldn't have done that giving beats away for free online.
And 500 dollars ain't shit for a beat, it don't matter if the beatmaker is a no name, the only thing that matters is that the beat is hot!!!
This is why I started making my own beats 7 years ago because I didn't want to have to depend on another man for nothing.
lol a youngster huh? I just worked in the marketing dept as supposed to being a marketing director right? lol ask tunji how he felt about working for a cat that just works in the marketing dept. You have no clue who I am or what I do bruh so please stop it with the spanking talk cuz kids get spanked and I'm a grown man. Oh and doing "just fine" in the music biz for 20 years is about as impressive as super heads road to fame.
You say you've been in the game for 20 years right? If that's the case why is it that you still haven't developed the ability to comprehend? You keep saying that I'm telling bay producers to "give" away beats when I've clearly stated a million times that this is not what I'm saying at all.
You say you've been in the game for 20 years right? If that's the case why is it that you still haven't developed the ability to comprehend? You keep saying that I'm telling bay producers to "give" away beats when I've clearly stated a million times that this is not what I'm saying at all.
"Why dont Bay Area Producers....Post their beats or instrumental on the net for artist to download and make mixtape tracks?"
"Stop bein stingy Bay Area prducers and get you beats out there anyway you can."
"Other producers are doin it and winning. It aint like you giving it away for free cuz most likely it'll have a drop in it numerous times letting you know who made the beat and it'll only be a couple mins long. Basically for promo use only."
"Whats the use of having all these tracks that just sit on your pc all day? Make them available so artist can make hot tracks wit em and display your beats all at the same time."
"I wouldn't expect for anyone to give away anything for free. Its like a promo copy which is what I thought you all would assume I was talking about."
You've rambled several times about how you're not suggesting 'giving anything away for free' but the only type of "payment" your theory involves is being name-dropped by some unknown rapper. You yourself said the beats would be for "promo use only". I don't know anyone who wouldn't call that giving your beats away for free. Call it what it really is.
A turd is a turd no matter how you package it. If your idea, which isn't even new or yours, was such a great one then you should have no problem citing examples of people who've made a name for themselves and become successful doing it. It sounds good on paper but fails when put to the test like most advice by people who don't actually _do_ what they're advising. 'Selling beats' paid for the house I'm sitting in right now, I probably know something about making money doing it. Can you say the same?
It's nice you want these beat makers to be noticed but you're going to have to dream up something a little better then just posting beats online to download. How exactly do you expect them to stand out among the other 50 million people doing the same thing? Oh, that's right, by some random rapper making a hot song with their beat and shouting them out. That's like winning the lottery except people actually win playing the lottery.
"Stop bein stingy Bay Area prducers and get you beats out there anyway you can."
"Other producers are doin it and winning. It aint like you giving it away for free cuz most likely it'll have a drop in it numerous times letting you know who made the beat and it'll only be a couple mins long. Basically for promo use only."
"Whats the use of having all these tracks that just sit on your pc all day? Make them available so artist can make hot tracks wit em and display your beats all at the same time."
"I wouldn't expect for anyone to give away anything for free. Its like a promo copy which is what I thought you all would assume I was talking about."
You've rambled several times about how you're not suggesting 'giving anything away for free' but the only type of "payment" your theory involves is being name-dropped by some unknown rapper. You yourself said the beats would be for "promo use only". I don't know anyone who wouldn't call that giving your beats away for free. Call it what it really is.
A turd is a turd no matter how you package it. If your idea, which isn't even new or yours, was such a great one then you should have no problem citing examples of people who've made a name for themselves and become successful doing it. It sounds good on paper but fails when put to the test like most advice by people who don't actually _do_ what they're advising. 'Selling beats' paid for the house I'm sitting in right now, I probably know something about making money doing it. Can you say the same?
It's nice you want these beat makers to be noticed but you're going to have to dream up something a little better then just posting beats online to download. How exactly do you expect them to stand out among the other 50 million people doing the same thing? Oh, that's right, by some random rapper making a hot song with their beat and shouting them out. That's like winning the lottery except people actually win playing the lottery.