WHO IS THE BEST ARTIST IN DAGO???

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Ive witnessed first hand the evolution of rap music and its change in sounds ( bout ta turn 38)..I think we coming to the point where being original is difficult and rare and almost every topic has been discussed in verses at one point or another. I think part of the problem..which dave disagrees is feeling the need for change. I like new and different but when artists/ producers turn to audiences and tell them they need to change..how funny is that..Instead of trying to convert meat eaters into vegetarians..sell them the meat. Why should an artist have to rap any particular way...thats what being lost is artistic expression from the artist who feels pressure to do something that aint them....Mitch needs some Alchemist...some battlecat..if they did his whole album..Id be heavily anticipatin that one...But there are lots of dope producers outside dago..thats part of a problem as well..dago artists running in the same circle going no where. If you aint networking outside your area..thats as far as you gonna go..dago artists need to face it that the local support aint their in the numbers needed.
I CANT EVEN FOLLOW WHAT UR TALKIN BOUT U LOST ME WIT THA MEAT THING .... ANY ARTIST THATS SUCCESSFUL HAS SOME TYPE OF SUPPORT IN HIS HOMETOWN... BUT YOURE NOT EVEN FROM HERE....AND THEN YOURE TALKIN ABOUT PRODUCERS LIKE ALCHEMIST N BATTLECAT THAT YOUD BE HEAVILY ANTICIPATIN THAT BUT IF YOURE FROM HERE YOU SHOULD BE HEAVILY ANTICIPATING IT NO MATTER WHOS PRODUCING IT BCUZ ITS ONE OF DAGOS TIGHTEST AND WE FROM DAGO.. THATS THE REASON WHY NIGGAS NEED TO LEAVE DAGO BCUZ AINT NO SUPPORT HERE IN THE TOWN.... BATTLECAT THAS LA.... ALCHEMIST.... THAS NY..... THAT AINT DAGO .... DAGO PRODUCERS MAKE THE DAGO SOUND... WE SUPPOSE TO PULL EACH OTHER UP.. ACTUALLY ITS EASIER FOR US PRODUCERS TO GET EXPOSURE THAN RAPPERS BUT HOW MUCH SUPPORT DO WE GET??? AND HOW DO WE GET TREATED?? BATTLECAT GOT HIS FAME FROM FUCKIN WIT HIS HOMETOWN FAVORITES.. SAME FOR ALCHEMIST.... IT WASNT LIKE THEY WAS NETWORKIN BEFORE ALL THAT RECOGNITION.. THEY NETWORKED AFTER THEY WAS RECOGNIZED BCUZ NIGGAS ACTUALLY DID SOMETHIN WITH THE RECORD AND PUT IT OUT INSTEAD OF JUS BUMPIN IT IN THE RIDE SAYIN THAT THE HOMIE MADE IT... WE HAND IN HAND IF I MAKE BEATS FOR YOU AND YOU DO VERY LITTLE AFTER THAT WHOS FAULT IS IT?? AND WE BOTH END UP LOOKIN BAD..
 

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Dave..You said..
I CANT EVEN FOLLOW WHAT UR TALKIN BOUT U LOST ME WIT THA MEAT THING ....
Maybe I should simplify this...Why should artists/ producers tell listeners they need to stop listening to what they like and listen to something different?Shouldn't artists cater towards their listeners?

ANY ARTIST THATS SUCCESSFUL HAS SOME TYPE OF SUPPORT IN HIS HOMETOWN... BUT YOURE NOT EVEN FROM HERE
Sure that's right, so wouldn't it make sense to cater to dago listeners, but I keep hearing not from just you but again..other artists that listeners need to change what they like. What the fuck does where im from gotta do with it? Im a supporter of Dago music, I have purchased stacks of music from dago artists..and besides shouldnt artists/ want input from listeners outside their demographics..I mean this is business 101 doesnt take a genius to figure that out.

AND THEN YOURE TALKIN ABOUT PRODUCERS LIKE ALCHEMIST N BATTLECAT THAT YOUD BE HEAVILY ANTICIPATIN THAT BUT IF YOURE FROM HERE YOU SHOULD BE HEAVILY ANTICIPATING IT NO MATTER WHOS PRODUCING IT BCUZ ITS ONE OF DAGOS TIGHTEST AND WE FROM DAGO.
Bullshit It wouldnt matter where someone was from.. Personally I would be anticipating them because they are tight producers who could make great beats for Mitchy Slick..Im not saying they would be great for every artist in dago, and again why would someone support any project just because the artist is from Dago..If its tight then yeah. The term SUPPORT is over used by many with out talent and many listeners are pissed off by.."SUPPORTING" and feeling ripped off by garbage..and it has made it difficult for those who actually have talent in Dago to push units..

BATTLECAT THAS LA.... ALCHEMIST.... THAS NY.....
I disagree battlecat though he is from L.A. many outside L.A. are big fans..although i do feel mostly he is one dimensional..however that could be because artists keep buying the same type of beats....ALCHEMIST is not N.Y. he is from Los Angeles...but he sold most his beats to East Coast artists..but with your reasoning he aint N.Y because he aint from there..but he sure did make a name and some money outside his home town...

BATTLECAT GOT HIS FAME FROM FUCKIN WIT HIS HOMETOWN FAVORITES.. SAME FOR ALCHEMIST.... IT WASNT LIKE THEY WAS NETWORKIN BEFORE ALL THAT RECOGNITION.. THEY NETWORKED AFTER THEY WAS RECOGNIZED
I thought Battlecat got his fame from his first major artist Domino..Last i checked Domino Was from Long Beach..not L.A. but L.A. county close enough..Again Alchemist was supposedly schooled by muggs I believe around the end of 7A3 and in the middle of Cypress hill...but Alchemist went to scool in New York and networked..so it should be safe to say he sure was networkin before that.

NIGGAS ACTUALLY DID SOMETHIN WITH THE RECORD AND PUT IT OUT INSTEAD OF JUS BUMPIN IT IN THE RIDE SAYIN THAT THE HOMIE MADE IT... WE HAND IN HAND IF I MAKE BEATS FOR YOU AND YOU DO VERY LITTLE AFTER THAT WHOS FAULT IS IT?? AND WE BOTH END UP LOOKIN BAD..
I agree with 100% what ya said...lets keep it real majority of dago artists have no drive and are lazy..and are not willing to make the sacrifices that sucessful artists make....they make moves by smokin blunts playin xbox...
 

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ANYWAYS BACK ON TOPIC.


I THINK SMIGG SHOULD BE INCLUDED WHETHER HE'S FROM HERE OR NOT. HE LIVES IN DAYGO AND RAPS ABOUT DAYGO AND MOST LIKELY CAN PUT DAYGO ON THE MAP. SO I THINK ITS BETWEEN MITCH, SMIGG AND IROCC. THEY R REALLY THE ONLY ONES DOING SOMETHING MAJOR FOR DAYGO.
Pretty much so..but I think we have to determine what something major is....do we realize that the big deal is out of reach? if not what if you are past a certain age? Even so what about where music is at in general as far as sales..downloading
 
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HAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAH @ U CAN ADMIT U CANT SPELL... GOOOODDD..THATS THE 1ST STEP. NOW CAN U ADMIT UR A B*TCH?? AND U HAVENT JUST MISPELLED A "FEW" WORDS.. MORE LIKE ATLEAST 1 MISPELLED WORD IN ALMOST EVERY POST..


ANYWAYS BACK ON TOPIC.


I THINK SMIGG SHOULD BE INCLUDED WHETHER HE'S FROM HERE OR NOT. HE LIVES IN DAYGO AND RAPS ABOUT DAYGO AND MOST LIKELY CAN PUT DAYGO ON THE MAP. SO I THINK ITS BETWEEN MITCH, SMIGG AND IROCC. THEY R REALLY THE ONLY ONES DOING SOMETHING MAJOR FOR DAYGO.
I said I mispelled a few words. Qoute me where I said I "cant" spell. Anyways if Smigg put Dago on the map that's hella cool in all but IMHO would be ass backwards just cuz he from Sac & reps a Sac hood. But its whatever in the end. Its all about the music & that's what I wanna hear. I could give a fuck about any town or city getting on the map. I'm a consumer not a mayor.
 
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I think u have dave moss wrong...I don't think he's tryin to turn Meat eaters into vegetarians...I think he's tryin to say..."ok ..we've been selling ground beef to people who like meat...its time to try to sell steak to people who like better meat"....at the end of the day I think a lot of people forget that Southeast San Diego and Siccness.net are the Minority compared to the Real world...if U only Make music to sell a about 400 c.d's between Fam mart and the siccshop then there really is no need to go outside of the box...but if u rap to Make Money then u shouldn't let ur music be influenced by what the siccness and fam mart shoppers care about..u should care about what the 4 million people that downloaded Flo-roda's ringtone or the 80,000 people that baught Bun B's record the 1st week it came out want to hear..Not sayin Make music like those artist but to be more tapped in on what's going on in the Real world..we do make music to make money right? So why not try to sell those meat eaters meat?
I feel what u sayin, but do you think bitting another format is a better solution. I think the problem is originality. Do what you do. If spittin gangsta is what you do best, do it. Niggas be soundin out of pocket tryna make them radio songs, and it dont sound natural.
 

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I feel what u sayin, but do you think bitting another format is a better solution. I think the problem is originality. Do what you do. If spittin gangsta is what you do best, do it. Niggas be soundin out of pocket tryna make them radio songs, and it dont sound natural.
Where did I say bite a format?that's why I used Florida and bun -b 2 totally diferent formats ...Florida = Big single and ringtone artist,Bun B = underground artist,no big singles or ringtones and both artist sold the same amount of units the 1st week.....wut I was trying to say was if u kno how to sell 400 c.d's in dago...why not wake ur Game up and try to figure out how to appeal to a larger scale of consumers...if ur rapping to make money
 
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EViL GENIUS U OVER THERE SAYING U DONT CARE ABOUT WHERE SOMEONES FROM CUZ ITS JUST "MUSIC" ...... BUT UR THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT UP IN THE 1ST PLACE. MAKE UP UR MIND. I NEVER SAID SMIGG PUT DAYGO ON THE MAP.. I SAID HE RAPS ABOUT DAYGO... AND IS WELL KNOWN IN DAYGO...DAYGO ISNT ON THE MAP AT ALL BY ANYONE SO WHY WOULD I SAY IT IS?? AND U CANT SPELL.. LIKE AT ALL.. THATS THE SAME THING AS SAYING "I MISPELED A FEW WORDS".. THERES ONLY SO MANY WAYS U CAN SAY IT.... SUCH AS


"I MISPELLED A FEW WORDS."
"I CANT SPELL."
"SPELLING I CANT DO."
"I CANNOT SPELL."
"I DONT KNOW HOW TO SPELL."
"A WORD IS WUT I MISPELLED."
"I SPELL WORDS WRONG CUZ I CANT SPELL."


ITS ALL THE SAME THING.. WHICH MEANS U CANT SPELL..
I said I don't care if a "city is put on the map". U wanna correct my spelling but u can't read. And I was just making a point not trying to spark a debate or argue. U talk about me following you in another thread but who qouted who first in this thread?

And u can pick as many misspelled words u want but where did "I" say I can't spell like "you" previously stated?
 
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Dave..You said..

Maybe I should simplify this...Why should artists/ producers tell listeners they need to stop listening to what they like and listen to something different?Shouldn't artists cater towards their listeners?
BECUZ THAT SHIT IS WACK AND THEY KNO IT STOP FEEDIN YA EARS WIT DAT BULLSHIT OR THATS ALL THATS GONNA COME OUT WHEN YOU TRY TO SPIT THAT SHIT IS WEAK.. THROW THAT SHIT OUT THA FUCKIN DECK HOMIE THAT SHIT WILL NEVER GET NO PLAY IN MY RIDE.... FUCK CATERING NIGGA NIGGAS AINT CATERERS G NIGGAS IS TRYIN TO GET ON FUCK ALL THAT OTHER SHIT...

Sure that's right, so wouldn't it make sense to cater to dago listeners, but I keep hearing not from just you but again..other artists that listeners need to change what they like. What the fuck does where im from gotta do with it? Im a supporter of Dago music, I have purchased stacks of music from dago artists..and besides shouldnt artists/ want input from listeners outside their demographics..I mean this is business 101 doesnt take a genius to figure that out.
THATS GREAT THAT YOU BUY MUSIC FROM DAGO THATS NOT MY POINT MY POINT IS TRYING TO ESTIMATE HOW MUCH YOUR POINT IS ACTUALLY WORTH COMING FROM THE SIDELINE OUT THERE THATS ALL... IT MAKES ALOT OF SENSE BUT IF YOU HAD SUM TYPE OF HISTORY OF MAKING GOOD MUSIC THEN IT WOULD PROBABLY MAKE MORE SENSE...LEARN HOW TO RHYME FIRST ... TAKE HIP HOP 101 OR GET A HOW TO RAP DUMMIES BOOK AND LEARN ABOUT COVERING THE BASICS OF IT TO GET A GRASP OF WHAT IM TALKIN ABOUT.. NOT TRYINA CLOWN BUT IM SAYIN THO...
Bullshit It wouldnt matter where someone was from.. Personally I would be anticipating them because they are tight producers who could make great beats for Mitchy Slick..Im not saying they would be great for every artist in dago, and again why would someone support any project just because the artist is from Dago..If its tight then yeah. The term SUPPORT is over used by many with out talent and many listeners are pissed off by.."SUPPORTING" and feeling ripped off by garbage..and it has made it difficult for those who actually have talent in Dago to push units..
IT DOES MATTER WHERE A NIGGA IS G.... THE REASON WHY WE NEED TO SUPPORT DAGO IS BCUZ NIGGAS IS TRYIN TO GET ONNN ...PLUG US IN!!! FUCK ALL THAT OTHER SHYT ... EVERYBODY FROM DAGO THINK THEY FINNA MAKE IT CRACK SO LETS MAKE IT CRACK BUT KNO YA ROLE!!!! ... EXACTLY MY POINT ABOUT THE GARBAGE SO NIGGAS NEED TO DO YA SELF A FAVOR AND STOP MAKIN IT .. ITS EITHER THAT OR NIGGAS WILL START GETTIN DESTROYED ON THE MIC.. LIKE THIS IS SERIOUS SAVE ALL THAT OTHER SHIT... NIGGAS EAT OFF THIS SHIT....AND IF NIGGAS GET OFF THAT BULLSHIT WE CAN ALL EAT!!!

I disagree battlecat though he is from L.A. many outside L.A. are big fans..although i do feel mostly he is one dimensional..however that could be because artists keep buying the same type of beats....ALCHEMIST is not N.Y. he is from Los Angeles...but he sold most his beats to East Coast artists..but with your reasoning he aint N.Y because he aint from there..but he sure did make a name and some money outside his home town...
I NEVER SAID ALCHEMIST WS FROM NY...BATTLECAT HAS HIS SOUND HES A BRAND OF THE WEST COAST.. HES NOT ONE DIMENSIONAL EITHER LONG BEACH, THATS LA CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT ITS LA AND MY POINT WAS ITS NOT DAGO NEITHER IS ALCHEMIST AND ALCHEMIST HAS A SOUND IN LA TOO ... ONCE NIGGAS GET BEHIND IT ITS ON
I thought Battlecat got his fame from his first major artist Domino..Last i checked Domino Was from Long Beach..not L.A. but L.A. county close enough..Again Alchemist was supposedly schooled by muggs I believe around the end of 7A3 and in the middle of Cypress hill...but Alchemist went to scool in New York and networked..so it should be safe to say he sure was networkin before that.
NO HE AINT GO OUT THERE TO NETWORK HE WENT OUT THERE FOR SCHOOL AND WAS FORTUNATE, WORKED HARD, AND HAPPENED TO BE AT THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME IM SAFE TO SAY THAT HE WOULD TELL YOU THAT HIMSELF , ... WE NEED A NEW FRESH SOUND ..

I agree with 100% what ya said...lets keep it real majority of dago artists have no drive and are lazy..and are not willing to make the sacrifices that sucessful artists make....they make moves by smokin blunts playin xbox...

ITS NOT ABOUT THE DRIVE ITS ABOUT KNOWING HOW TO DO IT AND HOPEFULLY SOMEBODY CAN LAYOUT A BLUEPRINT ON HOW TO TACKLE THE BUSINESS SIDE OF IT ... THEY DONT UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS BEHIND MAKING A ALBUM AND GETTIN IT PRESSED .. AND YOUR NOT LAZY IF YOURE MAKIN HITS.. YOURE ON YOUR JOB YOU CAN SMOKE ALL YOU WANT IF YOU WORKIN AND YOU CAN PLAY XBOX ALL YOU WANT IF YOU GETTIN SHIT DONE!!! NIGGAS IS TALKIN BOUT SACRIFICIN BUT WORKIN 9 TO 5'S GETTIN PAYCHECKS AND RAPPIN ON THE SIDE... .. IF YOURE SO TIGHT THEN ALL THAT MONEY YOU SPEND ON EVERYTHING ELSE YOU SHOULD BE SPENDIN ON YOUR MUSIC CUZ IN THE END THAT TAKES CARE OF EVERYTHING ELSE.. OR JUS KEEP RAPPIN ON THE SIDE THEN BUT DONT MAKE US LOOK BAD REPRESENTIN THE TOWN WRONG.. AND THEY TALK ABOUT THEY DAGO BUT GOT NOOOOOOO SKILLS WHATSOEVER.. LEARN HOW TO RHYME FIRST!!
 
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ITZ TOO MUCH POLITICS IN THE DAGO RAP..FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE RAPPERS TO HAVE NOT EVEN MADE MUCH MONEY OFF OF IT.EVERYBODY IS TO BUSY CRITICIZING ONE ANOTHER AND THEY HAVE NO REAL CREDIBILITY.NIGGAS BE ACTIN LIKE REPUBLICANS AND SHIT. ALL COCKY AND CONSERVATIVE. THAT SHIT IS GAY MAYNE.SAN DIEGO HAS A LOT OF POTENTIAL, BUT IT TAKE TAKE DEDICATION AND HARD WORK TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN ANY THING YOU DO.THIS SHIT AINT GON HAPEN OVERNIGHT.MONEY ALSO HELP TO..LOL
 

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BECUZ THAT SHIT IS WACK AND THEY KNO IT STOP FEEDIN YA EARS WIT DAT BULLSHIT OR THATS ALL THATS GONNA COME OUT WHEN YOU TRY TO SPIT THAT SHIT IS WEAK.... FUCK CATERING NIGGA NIGGAS AINT CATERERS G NIGGAS IS TRYIN TO GET ON FUCK ALL THAT OTHER SHIT...
So instead of building a local fan base first..they tryin to get on...HMmm, (like to hear how them results work out) and again we was talking about ..you saying the fans need to switch up what we listen to.. So as a fan Im not worried about what goes in my ears cause I aint a rapper.

THATS GREAT THAT YOU BUY MUSIC FROM DAGO THATS NOT MY POINT MY POINT IS TRYING TO ESTIMATE HOW MUCH YOUR POINT IS ACTUALLY WORTH COMING FROM THE SIDELINE OUT THERE THATS ALL... IT MAKES ALOT OF SENSE BUT IF YOU HAD SUM TYPE OF HISTORY OF MAKING GOOD MUSIC THEN IT WOULD PROBABLY MAKE MORE SENSE...LEARN HOW TO RHYME FIRST ... TAKE HIP HOP 101 OR GET A HOW TO RAP DUMMIES BOOK AND LEARN ABOUT COVERING THE BASICS OF IT TO GET A GRASP OF WHAT IM TALKIN ABOUT.. NOT TRYINA CLOWN BUT IM SAYIN THO...
I would think you would have grasped the elementary fundamentals of business and realize that you should listen to what the consumers are saying which would be me, so you could better provide what they want not what you tell them they want..so i would say my point is just as valuable as any other person who voices there opinion..does not mean you have to do what i think you should do..Im saying take into consideration what consumers are saying...And stop acting like you a frontliner in the rap game as far as im concerned you on the sidelines as well, unless i missed the episode where you was getting your grammy...i see you trying to clown with the learn how to rap 101...Thats light weight funny because the last c.d i purchased the salesperson at the counter did not ask me to spit a hot 16 before taking my money...unless its a new rule that is yet to be in effect.

IT DOES MATTER WHERE A NIGGA IS G.... THE REASON WHY WE NEED TO SUPPORT DAGO IS BCUZ NIGGAS IS TRYIN TO GET ONNN ...PLUG US IN!!! FUCK ALL THAT OTHER SHYT ... EVERYBODY FROM DAGO THINK THEY FINNA MAKE IT CRACK SO LETS MAKE IT CRACK BUT KNO YA ROLE!!!! ... EXACTLY MY POINT ABOUT THE GARBAGE SO NIGGAS NEED TO DO YA SELF A FAVOR AND STOP MAKIN IT .. ITS EITHER THAT OR NIGGAS WILL START GETTIN DESTROYED ON THE MIC.. LIKE THIS IS SERIOUS SAVE ALL THAT OTHER SHIT... NIGGAS EAT OFF THIS SHIT....AND IF NIGGAS GET OFF THAT BULLSHIT WE CAN ALL EAT!!!
It matters to who? lets cut the crap Ive heard and agree with some others.. lets support good music, i aint buying no c.d just so an artist can make money, Ill buy it cause I like the music..and I hope the artist i do suport do well...All this we are the world and we should unify to make a town blow..is unrealsitic, because naturally the fans should already support local artists first ( the ones with good music) and when ya say know ya role..shit you should know better then anyone about people not playing their role..and thats from a small scale..now to get a whole bunch of people to play their role..I told ya not to smoke that shit Gas has...might be somethin a lil extra in their.

I NEVER SAID ALCHEMIST WS FROM NY...BATTLECAT HAS HIS SOUND HES A BRAND OF THE WEST COAST.. HES NOT ONE DIMENSIONAL EITHER LONG BEACH, THATS LA CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT ITS LA AND MY POINT WAS ITS NOT DAGO NEITHER IS ALCHEMIST AND ALCHEMIST HAS A SOUND IN LA TOO ... ONCE NIGGAS GET BEHIND IT ITS ON
I apologize i assumed when you said Alchemist was NY, i thought it was safe to say you said he was from New York..and well LONG BEACh is..LONG BEach..but i know your point lets just say regional..but putting brands on people or citys such as dago sound can be a double edge sword..its great to have something ya can call your own, however I do not know what the Dago sound is as it is not just one thing, but why not just be talented Artists from Dago.. shit Dago is political as it is with people not supporting because where they from...and L.A. in the past hasn't shown the respect that Dago should have earned..Sure things change but people are creatures of habit, why make it any more difficult by branding yourself in that way.

NO HE AINT GO OUT THERE TO NETWORK HE WENT OUT THERE FOR SCHOOL AND WAS FORTUNATE, WORKED HARD, AND HAPPENED TO BE AT THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME IM SAFE TO SAY THAT HE WOULD TELL YOU THAT HIMSELF , ... WE NEED A NEW FRESH SOUND ..
I know he went out to school there but him bringing his ASR-10 making beats and meeting people there and as you said working hard well he was networking outside his hometown which you said they didnt get their fame from that..you said they got it from their home town...HMM

ITS NOT ABOUT THE DRIVE ITS ABOUT KNOWING HOW TO DO IT AND HOPEFULLY SOMEBODY CAN LAYOUT A BLUEPRINT ON HOW TO TACKLE THE BUSINESS SIDE OF IT ... THEY DONT UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS BEHIND MAKING A ALBUM AND GETTIN IT PRESSED .. AND YOUR NOT LAZY IF YOURE MAKIN HITS.. YOURE ON YOUR JOB YOU CAN SMOKE ALL YOU WANT IF YOU WORKIN AND YOU CAN PLAY XBOX ALL YOU WANT IF YOU GETTIN SHIT DONE!!! NIGGAS IS TALKIN BOUT SACRIFICIN BUT WORKIN 9 TO 5'S GETTIN PAYCHECKS AND RAPPIN ON THE SIDE... .. IF YOURE SO TIGHT THEN ALL THAT MONEY YOU SPEND ON EVERYTHING ELSE YOU SHOULD BE SPENDIN ON YOUR MUSIC CUZ IN THE END THAT TAKES CARE OF EVERYTHING ELSE.. OR JUS KEEP RAPPIN ON THE SIDE THEN BUT DONT MAKE US LOOK BAD REPRESENTIN THE TOWN WRONG.. AND THEY TALK ABOUT THEY DAGO BUT GOT NOOOOOOO SKILLS WHATSOEVER.. LEARN HOW TO RHYME FIRST!!
It aint about drive? thats a new one...There are many artists who know about the business and aint get put on, aint no one knockin door to door..lookin for em..It takes drive and determination to be sucessful at almost anything..Look at almost any business man..athlete etc, They had to be driven to make the scarifices and work hard to get into the schools they wanted, many had to work harder longer, do extra things..whatever it took..they were driven for sucess, but I see how you look at it just knowing what you gotta do and waiting for someone to help you is enough. Yeah you aint lazy if you smoking weed and playing XBoX if ya making hits, but we was talking about Dago and besides Nick Cannon who aint a rapper and Lil Rob the last hit was what from Jay-O felony..but to be fair if you making a living off rap then do what ya do, but my point and I think we agree is if you aint making hits..or money in this rap game to yield gains outside of tomorrow, and you smoke weed all day and play XBOX all day instead of putting money towards your career which is investing in your future then the odds of you making it in rap is stacked against you.
 
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So instead of building a local fan base first..they tryin to get on...HMmm, (like to hear how them results work out) and again we was talking about ..you saying the fans need to switch up what we listen to.. So as a fan Im not worried about what goes in my ears cause I aint a rapper.
Im talkin bout skills g... niggas gotta have some more skill behind what they do... im not even talkin about fans bro ... you keep bringin up fans and thats not the topic .. im talkin about havin skills to make good songs and being able to appreciate some good shit.... as artists not fans...

I would think you would have grasped the elementary fundamentals of business and realize that you should listen to what the consumers are saying which would be me, so you could better provide what they want not what you tell them they want..so i would say my point is just as valuable as any other person who voices there opinion..does not mean you have to do what i think you should do..Im saying take into consideration what consumers are saying...And stop acting like you a frontliner in the rap game as far as im concerned you on the sidelines as well, unless i missed the episode where you was getting your grammy...i see you trying to clown with the learn how to rap 101...Thats light weight funny because the last c.d i purchased the salesperson at the counter did not ask me to spit a hot 16 before taking my money...unless its a new rule that is yet to be in effect.
if im on the sideline you like in the crowd behind the bench yellin....Once again im not talkin about the consumer im talkin about niggas as artists amongst your peers and you dont have nothin to do with that... sorta like when smigg said hes almost 98% sure it doenst matter if you agree or not (funny you had nothin to say back to that) or whatever point your tryin to make as far as your opinion.. theres millions of consumers and you can only speak for ya self so that means your one out of a million

It matters to who? lets cut the crap Ive heard and agree with some others.. lets support good music, i aint buying no c.d just so an artist can make money, Ill buy it cause I like the music..and I hope the artist i do suport do well...All this we are the world and we should unify to make a town blow..is unrealsitic, because naturally the fans should already support local artists first ( the ones with good music) and when ya say know ya role..shit you should know better then anyone about people not playing their role..and thats from a small scale..now to get a whole bunch of people to play their role..I told ya not to smoke that shit Gas has...might be somethin a lil extra in their.
i smoke kush u should try it sumday... once again what r u talkin bout im not sayin fans g where did i say fans?? you made me read my shit twice i didnt say fans at all dude....im talkin about the rap community g , the djs, the promoters, the a&rs, the rappers, the producers, this is who im talkin about because there are wanna be djs wanna be promoters,,, fake a&rs,, WACK RAPPERS, and WEAK PRODUCERS, thas what im talkin about youre getting me mixed up

I apologize i assumed when you said Alchemist was NY, i thought it was safe to say you said he was from New York..and well LONG BEACh is..LONG BEach..but i know your point lets just say regional..but putting brands on people or citys such as dago sound can be a double edge sword..its great to have something ya can call your own, however I do not know what the Dago sound is as it is not just one thing, but why not just be talented Artists from Dago.. shit Dago is political as it is with people not supporting because where they from...and L.A. in the past hasn't shown the respect that Dago should have earned..Sure things change but people are creatures of habit, why make it any more difficult by branding yourself in that way.
you dont kno dago sound but you buy dago music well maybe thats because your a fan and not a rapper... too bad you cant get paid to talk about rap all day youd be rich by now .... im a part of that dago sound


I know he went out to school there but him bringing his ASR-10 making beats and meeting people there and as you said working hard well he was networking outside his hometown which you said they didnt get their fame from that..you said they got it from their home town...HMM
if he was goin to school in NY then hes obviously growing up there and living there which can make that your home town.. like when kurupt came to kali and made it his home town.. or when tupac came to cali n made it his hometown g... l it dont have to be your place of birth g but if you grew up in ny then ny is your hometown too

It aint about drive? thats a new one...There are many artists who know about the business and aint get put on, aint no one knockin door to door..lookin for em..It takes drive and determination to be sucessful at almost anything..Look at almost any business man..athlete etc, They had to be driven to make the scarifices and work hard to get into the schools they wanted, many had to work harder longer, do extra things..whatever it took..they were driven for sucess, but I see how you look at it just knowing what you gotta do and waiting for someone to help you is enough. Yeah you aint lazy if you smoking weed and playing XBoX if ya making hits, but we was talking about Dago and besides Nick Cannon who aint a rapper and Lil Rob the last hit was what from Jay-O felony..but to be fair if you making a living off rap then do what ya do, but my point and I think we agree is if you aint making hits..or money in this rap game to yield gains outside of tomorrow, and you smoke weed all day and play XBOX all day instead of putting money towards your career which is investing in your future then the odds of you making it in rap is stacked against you.
you always talk about drive and hard work and all that but you forget to talk about skills and learnin how to make good music!! those are jus as valid and just as important for having longevity, and respect amongst the rap community thats what im talkin about... and if you had that plus tha hard work and the drive u wont lose...if youre wack you need to work hard at gettin better not work hard at gettin your wack ass shit heard ..
 

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Im talkin bout skills g... niggas gotta have some more skill behind what they do... im not even talkin about fans bro ... you keep bringin up fans and thats not the topic .. im talkin about havin skills to make good songs and being able to appreciate some good shit.... as artists not fans...
Well I did not realize you switched the whole topic to Music appreciation 101. I was under the impression when you started this thread you was trying to figure out who the best artist was.. here is part of your original thread in case you can't remember..

IM TALKIN BOUT SUMONE YOU CAN PUT 150,000 ON TO PUT OUT AND PUT DAGO ON THE MAP!!!.put all your favorite feelings to tha side for your favorite artist and give an honest opinion..
Does not look like the topic is.. As artists who do we appreciate? looks like you askin the general public (fans) who they would invest there money in..because wouldn't the artists if they had the money invest in themselves....

if im on the sideline you like in the crowd behind the bench yellin....Once again im not talkin about the consumer im talkin about niggas as artists amongst your peers and you dont have nothin to do with that... sorta like when smigg said hes almost 98% sure it doenst matter if you agree or not (funny you had nothin to say back to that) or whatever point your tryin to make as far as your opinion.. theres millions of consumers and you can only speak for ya self so that means your one out of a million
" GO HEATERVILLE>>>GO!!" haha So once again you talking about artists amongst peers...Seems like you could have spent your time more wisely finding the answer being majority on the boards aint trippin off being an artist...( Its a consumer/fans board) and only a handful of artists post on here....and most from that list you talk to on a regular basis. I had nothing to say to Smigg because even though I i knew he was clowning..it was true...i agree with 100% because whether we agree it does not matter. You say there are millions of consumers and I can only speak for myself so it means I am one out of a million...i must have missed it in basic math i thought It would be I am 1 out of millions if ya gonna clown...damn do it right..

i smoke kush u should try it sumday... once again what r u talkin bout im not sayin fans g where did i say fans?? you made me read my shit twice i didnt say fans at all dude....im talkin about the rap community g , the djs, the promoters, the a&rs, the rappers, the producers, this is who im talkin about because there are wanna be djs wanna be promoters,,, fake a&rs,, WACK RAPPERS, and WEAK PRODUCERS, thas what im talkin about youre getting me mixed up
Im going on 38 my drug days are over..so I wont bend to your peer pressure L.O.L....O.K. so lets say you aint talking about fans...why would you be asking us..most are fans..and none of us on this board can even get a song on the radio nationally..or videos on BET and MTV..Understand about mechanical royalties..negotiating a deal, Songs on a mixtape that aint local I never seen an A&R on here..not saying you think there are...but if you wanna discuss these things from an artists view why post a thread in the siccness...Like I said majority aint trippin off doing music,and the ones who are (besides, a few like Mitch..Irocc..Smigg) aint even got there foot wet...so it is like going to a restaraunt having a complaint with the food and complaining to a passing busboy..cussing him out because your food is cold.

you dont kno dago sound but you buy dago music well maybe thats because your a fan and not a rapper... too bad you cant get paid to talk about rap all day youd be rich by now .... im a part of that dago sound
Im saying Dago is not one thing if it was it would be something you do not like..BOOBOO619 ( he is the one always talkin about G FunK and funky pianos and strings and basslines missing in todays music) he makes beats...so he has a Dago sound ...Mac Jones Raps so he has a dago sound..So should I categorize you three together and tell everyone outside dago that this is the dago sound? Of Course not so Im saying how do you determine what is the dago sound..what is different then anywhere else? I hear it more as a combination of different styles...

if he was goin to school in NY then hes obviously growing up there and living there which can make that your home town.. like when kurupt came to kali and made it his home town.. or when tupac came to cali n made it his hometown g... l it dont have to be your place of birth g but if you grew up in ny then ny is your hometown too
Attending two semesters at a University does not Constitute growing up there..hahaha so when i turn 60 if I move to dago after 1 year can I tell everyone I grew up in dago...hahah

you always talk about drive and hard work and all that but you forget to talk about skills and learnin how to make good music!! those are jus as valid and just as important for having longevity, and respect amongst the rap community thats what im talkin about... and if you had that plus tha hard work and the drive u wont lose...if youre wack you need to work hard at gettin better not work hard at gettin your wack ass shit heard ..
I agree 100%..Your #1 Fan Stan...Really though I agree... All Im saying is quiz your fan base..not other artists with fingers up their booty all sitting around with sour puss faces mad because the rap game has changed, and its hard to make a living in it anymore...they are just as confused wondering what to do..and it aint just dago....is it gonna all of a sudden get better...are the powers that be gonna suddenly become successful at stopping illegal down loads? The game has changed, getting the information you need to make it aint necessarily gonna come from the ones with knowledge of the record business as it is unknown where to go from here...thats why I stress BUILD A FAN BASE....Cater to YOUR fan Base..listen to your fan base...If I buy your album and like it i will buy the next..Ill spread the word as will ecah of your fans and as long as you provide us with what we like then we will buy, but if ya keep switching styles I will lose interest, and spread the word as will all your fans........FANS are consumers and are vital for any business....
 
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Well I did not realize you switched the whole topic to Music appreciation 101. I was under the impression when you started this thread you was trying to figure out who the best artist was.. here is part of your original thread in case you can't remember..



Does not look like the topic is.. As artists who do we appreciate? looks like you askin the general public (fans) who they would invest there money in..because wouldn't the artists if they had the money invest in themselves....



" GO HEATERVILLE>>>GO!!" haha So once again you talking about artists amongst peers...Seems like you could have spent your time more wisely finding the answer being majority on the boards aint trippin off being an artist...( Its a consumer/fans board) and only a handful of artists post on here....and most from that list you talk to on a regular basis. I had nothing to say to Smigg because even though I i knew he was clowning..it was true...i agree with 100% because whether we agree it does not matter. You say there are millions of consumers and I can only speak for myself so it means I am one out of a million...i must have missed it in basic math i thought It would be I am 1 out of millions if ya gonna clown...damn do it right..



Im going on 38 my drug days are over..so I wont bend to your peer pressure L.O.L....O.K. so lets say you aint talking about fans...why would you be asking us..most are fans..and none of us on this board can even get a song on the radio nationally..or videos on BET and MTV..Understand about mechanical royalties..negotiating a deal, Songs on a mixtape that aint local I never seen an A&R on here..not saying you think there are...but if you wanna discuss these things from an artists view why post a thread in the siccness...Like I said majority aint trippin off doing music,and the ones who are (besides, a few like Mitch..Irocc..Smigg) aint even got there foot wet...so it is like going to a restaraunt having a complaint with the food and complaining to a passing busboy..cussing him out because your food is cold.



Im saying Dago is not one thing if it was it would be something you do not like..BOOBOO619 ( he is the one always talkin about G FunK and funky pianos and strings and basslines missing in todays music) he makes beats...so he has a Dago sound ...Mac Jones Raps so he has a dago sound..So should I categorize you three together and tell everyone outside dago that this is the dago sound? Of Course not so Im saying how do you determine what is the dago sound..what is different then anywhere else? I hear it more as a combination of different styles...


Attending two semesters at a University does not Constitute growing up there..hahaha so when i turn 60 if I move to dago after 1 year can I tell everyone I grew up in dago...hahah



I agree 100%..Your #1 Fan Stan...Really though I agree... All Im saying is quiz your fan base..not other artists with fingers up their booty all sitting around with sour puss faces mad because the rap game has changed, and its hard to make a living in it anymore...they are just as confused wondering what to do..and it aint just dago....is it gonna all of a sudden get better...are the powers that be gonna suddenly become successful at stopping illegal down loads? The game has changed, getting the information you need to make it aint necessarily gonna come from the ones with knowledge of the record business as it is unknown where to go from here...thats why I stress BUILD A FAN BASE....Cater to YOUR fan Base..listen to your fan base...If I buy your album and like it i will buy the next..Ill spread the word as will ecah of your fans and as long as you provide us with what we like then we will buy, but if ya keep switching styles I will lose interest, and spread the word as will all your fans........FANS are consumers and are vital for any business....
ok dude now what u need to do since you think the majority thats postin on this particular thread are fans then you might wanna count all the "fans" that posted on thread and then youll maybe realize that it aint more fans than niggas thas in the dago rap game right now... so your point about fans jus went out the door and what i said makes more sense now.. theres 22 posts from cats that are involved out here vs to 19 posts from "fans" and you jus said booboo makes beats i didnt kno that so that makes 23.... but anyways... we got some more votes for smigg and a couple more for mitch
 

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ok dude now what u need to do since you think the majority thats postin on this particular thread are fans then you might wanna count all the "fans" that posted on thread and then youll maybe realize that it aint more fans than niggas thas in the dago rap game right now... so your point about fans jus went out the door and what i said makes more sense now.. theres 22 posts from cats that are involved out here vs to 19 posts from "fans" and you jus said booboo makes beats i didnt kno that so that makes 23.... but anyways... we got some more votes for smigg and a couple more for mitch
So keep it real, did you obtain the information you were looking for. Did the valuable experience in the music game from these 23 artists help you make a decision. So who you about to invest time and money into, or do a project with besides IROCC..SMIGG.. DIDO.. being you already work with em?

Don't get me wrong Dave I think you have talent..ill never say otherwise...but
it will be very interesting to have this conversation in another ten years from now. I don't think you been jerked enough..fucked over enough to comprehend the importance of some of my points... Have you noticed ever that you the homie as long as you doin shit for artists? Ever feel like artists do not wanna pay what your worth but have no problem capitalizing off your work....Lets just say for argument that we all come to a conclusion to back an artist, and we say you do some production as well as a few others....What happens when they get a big deal?( If its even possible..but just for arguments sake.)...With their budget they gonna get who the label wants to produce...Kanye...Just Blaze something like that.... and if they get you to do beats lets compare what they pay you compared to others..Maybe you might find a loyal artist...but I have witnessed first hand on a smaller scale the same shit and heard the same promises come out of artists mouth..
I wish everyone to be successful as an artist..or whatever they do, but Im done..Gotta go make some G FUNK Beats hahah