When Bernie Sanders wins

[2-0-Sixx]

So what have you done to change it besides "read" and "study" while posting fictitious data charts to solidify your opinions or are you simply just a poser? I'll wait.

15 years of this nonsense tells me you got some show and prove to do mf

Let me guess, you voted for Obama, was that the feather in your cap in 2004

Lmao

What part of me being a socialist would ever lead you to believe I voted for Obama?

Not that I need to post my credentials, people who used to talk back when the gathering of minds forum was poppin know what I've been about.

I've been part of Socialist Alternative for 17 years and Committee for a Workers' International (CWI). I wrote in newspapers, I organized rallies, student walkouts, protests, helped organize strikes, create a union, food drives, clothing drives, made speeches, marched with 50,000 people shutting down downtown Seattle, marched with only a hundred people and everything inbetween, I've done the grunt work, selling newspapers raising money for sister parties in Africa, Ireland, Sri Lanka etc, passing out flyers, et al. I've seen and helped this once small chapter of CWI in Seattle grow to the point where we've got one of our own elected into Seattle City Council (Kshama Sawant) and we spearheaded rising the minimum wage in Seattle to $15/hr, which you may have heard passed. So yes, I've done my fair share of putting in work for the cause. Over the past few years I haven't been nearly as active due to severe daily migraines, so I'm more limited to contributing to online content and writing small pieces here and there, but that's life. As we know real change is always pushed by the youth and I'm not so young and full of energy anymore. But I'm sure with all this you'll simply shrug it off and attempt to criticize more.

 

[Foul Mouth]

The main fallacy i see in your argument is that you have to be a minority to be from "the bad part of town".

i never expressed that, once. it seems we were talking bout minorities. there has always been hella poor white people on the east side of Stockton. since they came from Oklahoma. when the (other) white people (with money) started building neighborhoods throughout Stockton, the Oklahoma white people had to settle for "Okieville". so again, i never expressed that.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

i never expressed that, once. it seems we were talking bout minorities. there has always been hella poor white people on the east side of Stockton. since they came from Oklahoma. when the (other) white people (with money) started building neighborhoods throughout Stockton, the Oklahoma white people had to settle for "Okieville". so again, i never expressed that.

You didn't outright say it, but you have been inferring it this whole thread. You basically called 2-0 out for it...

 

[Foul Mouth]

@2-0-Sixx , please stop reading so much, thank you.

he should keep reading. the shits fundamental. but i wouldn't just read about the swim suit model industry then act like a swim suit model, years deep in the game, is not in touch with reality, or doesn't know what she is talking about.

 

[Foul Mouth]

You didn't outright say it, but you have been inferring it this whole thread. You basically called 2-0 out for it...

Tremendo Indo referred to race, so i brought 2-0 into it as an example of the stupid comment. nothing more. it makes more than sense.

where did i infer that whites are not from the "bad part of town"? your believing some shit just cus you wanna believe it.

 

[HERESY]

buncha GOM ish going on in here

Nope. Not at all. The posts aren't long enough yet and we don't have the cutting and quoting thing going on.

Nowhere near GOM level. GOM was legendary.

 

[Stealth]

What part of me being a socialist would ever lead you to believe I voted for Obama?

Not that I need to post my credentials, people who used to talk back when the gathering of minds forum was poppin know what I've been about.

I've been part of Socialist Alternative for 17 years and Committee for a Workers' International (CWI). I wrote in newspapers, I organized rallies, student walkouts, protests, helped organize strikes, create a union, food drives, clothing drives, made speeches, marched with 50,000 people shutting down downtown Seattle, marched with only a hundred people and everything inbetween, I've done the grunt work, selling newspapers raising money for sister parties in Africa, Ireland, Sri Lanka etc, passing out flyers, et al. I've seen and helped this once small chapter of CWI in Seattle grow to the point where we've got one of our own elected into Seattle City Council (Kshama Sawant) and we spearheaded rising the minimum wage in Seattle to $15/hr, which you may have heard passed. So yes, I've done my fair share of putting in work for the cause. Over the past few years I haven't been nearly as active due to severe daily migraines, so I'm more limited to contributing to online content and writing small pieces here and there, but that's life. As we know real change is always pushed by the youth and I'm not so young and full of energy anymore. But I'm sure with all this you'll simply shrug it off and attempt to criticize more.

MIC DROP

 

[Foul Mouth]

You didn't outright say it, but you have been inferring it this whole thread.

maybe your confusing me with your home dude?

There is so much more data you're lacking, the history of Chicago, gentrification, literally pushing black people out of neighborhoods and into the poorest least desirable locations, creating an extremely segregated city, extremely poor underfunded public school system which leads to high dropout rates, unemployment, not to mention massive corruption in every part of the local government down to the police force etc etc etc that have all led to these conditions that resemble a fucking warzone in certain areas where the circumstances are so dire and so depressing there is literally no way out for thousands of people. The choices for many is literally sell drugs or prostitution. You really have no clue what you're saying here.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

he should keep reading. the shits fundamental. but i wouldn't just read about the swim suit model industry then act like a swim suit model, years deep in the game, is not in touch with reality, or doesn't know what she is talking about.

I specifically said you were out of touch with reality after your comments about Chicago. What you were saying is not in tune with the current realities of south and west Chicago, thus you being out of touch. You should read about Chicago if you really want to learn more, there have been dozens of great studies and publications regarding gentrification in Chicago which is actually quite unique and different than gentrification that has occurred in other cities. It's mind blowing stuff if you dig into it. The point really is once you have more knowledge on this subject the better you'll understand why it is the way is and why there are so few opportunities for the youth (yes, specifically the black youth as well as poor people in general, but we cannot ignore a racist system was and still is in place in certain areas in Chicago). Also, the corruption in Chicago is unmatched as far as big cities go in the US, it's like on the level of some third world type corruption, it's insane.

 

[Foul Mouth]

I specifically said you were out of touch with reality after your comments about Chicago. What you were saying is not in tune with the current realities of south and west Chicago, thus you being out of touch. You should read about Chicago if you really want to learn more, there have been dozens of great studies and publications regarding gentrification in Chicago which is actually quite unique and different than gentrification that has occurred in other cities. It's mind blowing stuff if you dig into it. The point really is once you have more knowledge on this subject the better you'll understand why it is the way is and why there are so few opportunities for the youth (yes, specifically the black youth as well as poor people in general, but we cannot ignore a racist system was and still is in place in certain areas in Chicago). Also, the corruption in Chicago is unmatched as far as big cities go in the US, it's like on the level of some third world type corruption, it's insane.

i understand that. regardless, dusting McDees off your shoulder is poison to the youth. no ones too good for McDees or any other bullshit minimum wage fast food job. you got to plant a seed some where. why not work fast food in the day then UPS at night/morning til you get on as a driver? they make nice money and they don't really do shit. they hire anybody at those types of package handler jobs. that type of shit you don't even need work experience. you have to put in work and time to get somewhere in life. yeah the system is corrupt but you cant let that be the reason for your failure. why not tell the youth to just do their school work and get a job and work better than everybody else? instead of telling them the system aint made for them, tell them how to make the system work for them? there's ways of doing that, but that's not the focus. if you keep telling the youth that the system is fucked and you won't get no where, guess what, the youth will believe that and let it swallow them up. if you tell your child they got a big ass head, if even they don't, they will grow up thinking they have a big ass head. that will probably fuck their self esteem. they will probably pass on bad bitches because they don't have the confidence or think they don't got a shot.

 

[GTS]

the system is a joke and can't be fixed

it would have to be gutted and restarted
power and greed and behind the scene deals and corruption that people don't know about

 

[HERESY]

Disregarding crime and gay shit, unless some sacrifice is made (I'm NOT talking blood sacrifice or shit like that), you hit the lotto or slots, you save a made man from dying or you have some legitimate dirt you can hold over someone, the chances of social mobility are low.

You're only valuable if someone can benefit from you. Remember that kids, you're only valuable if someone can benefit from you.

 

[StillHustlin]

But I'm sure with all this you'll simply shrug it off and attempt to criticize more.

Nope, I can dig it comrade. I am pro CWI.

 

[SeriouslyThug]

explain that.






who the fuck says the system is fair? what part of life is fair? where did i say any of that dumb shit?

do you think i'm trying to achieve the status of my "master", which is the top 1%? i'm not trying to get there. 99% of America won't get there. white or any other color. i am where i am today because of my parents decisions. then when i was old enough to make my own choices, i made my own decisions based on how i saw life. now that i'm older and fucked my self in many ways, and soaked in bad views that my parents and the rest of the community may have had, i'm making decisions and sacrifices to get me to a better place, which is achievable. i'm not trying to have a billion dollar company. you know there's a huge space to live in between hopeless poverty and being in the top 1%. you only see the extremes.

You think that this discussion is about you; where you came from and what worked for you, and that that is somehow applicable to everyone else.
Again, it is environment that made you and it is your particular environment that permitted you to make the right choices and improve your situation to a less shitty one.
What you are failing to understand is this: The school of thought that you are so adamantly against understands that this environment that the system in place has created is already understood to, accepted for, and agreed upon--that a big chunk of the population would be destined to a life of poverty and slavery.

Taking your own particular example of spending a lifetime selling your dreams for minimum wage so you could finally move 1 block down from where you started, away from the prostitution and murder is why it is preposterous that you would blame the not trying poor for being not trying poor, and at all assume that the entry-level-job-aiming-poor should, like you, be draped in the american flag and starting their every morning with the pledge of allegiance over some lead water Tang.

 

[StillHustlin]

Disregarding crime and gay shit, unless some sacrifice is made (I'm NOT talking blood sacrifice or shit like that), you hit the lotto or slots, you save a made man from dying or you have some legitimate dirt you can hold over someone, the chances of social mobility are low.

Not necessarily. An easy way to create generational wealth and build future legacy is take insurance out on your parent(s). Reality is everyone dies eventually. Each generation could do this, but they don't. We live in a world of opportunity. Who is willing to seize it? Surely not the inept or weak.

 

[StillHustlin]

Those who get it go get it.

 

[StillHustlin]

Claiming the world or elites owe you anything is some pussy bitchmade shit

 

[HERESY]

Not necessarily. An easy way to create generational wealth and build future legacy is take insurance out on your parent(s). Reality is everyone dies eventually. Each generation could do this, but they don't. We live in a world of opportunity. Who is willing to seize it? Surely not the inept or weak.

How many people, you personally know, took out a policy on their parents and bubbled?

 

[HERESY]

Claiming the world or elites owe you anything is some pussy bitchmade shit

I don't think anyone is claiming "they" owe them anything. I think people are simply asking for an even playing field so their needs can be met or for people to show more compassion for the planet and their fellow man without putting profit first.

 

[Foul Mouth]

You think that this discussion is about you; where you came from and what worked for you, and that that is somehow applicable to everyone else.
Again, it is environment that made you and it is your particular environment that permitted you to make the right choices and improve your situation to a less shitty one.
What you are failing to understand is this: The school of thought that you are so adamantly against understands that this environment that the system in place has created is already understood to, accepted for, and agreed upon--that a big chunk of the population would be destined to a life of poverty and slavery.

Taking your own particular example of spending a lifetime selling your dreams for minimum wage so you could finally move 1 block down from where you started, away from the prostitution and murder is why it is preposterous that you would blame the not trying poor for being not trying poor, and at all assume that the entry-level-job-aiming-poor should, like you, be draped in the american flag and starting their every morning with the pledge of allegiance over some lead water Tang.

its not about me. its a mere example cus im not in touch.

as far as everything else, keep that train of thought.